Scotland

[YNWALFC]

Yes, why should we stay in a country which doesn't respond to our needs as a people, why should there be people starving and relying on food banks in a supposed rich country, why should we vote no for "some" powers which nobody can agree on us getting when we can vote yes to be fully in charge of our country, why should we partake in more illegal wars that Westminster seem intent on getting us dragged into, why should we have to have nuclear submarines in our rivers which prevent us from reaching valuable oil reserves. Countries which are far smaller than us in size have far more MEP's than us so independence would allow a greater say in Europe. The fact that we give more to Westminster than we get back from them means we would be sustainable, The fact that the NHS (our free healthcare system) and our position in Europe is at threat with
the votes are heading mean it would do us well to gtfo of Britain.

Also the sheer lack of any decent argument by the NO campaign and the obvious bias towards it by the BBC really annoys me which in turn has steered me away from it.

RE Illegal wars Tony Blair is Scottish and 33% of the British Army are also Scottish, Gordon Brown is Scottish and Camoron is a Scot born in London. So I don't think its fair to wash Scotland's hands of any blame regarding that particular subject.

Does "Independence" not include Independence from the EU ?

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Wrong. We will use the pound - Its a fully tradable currency that no one can stop us using.

It's actually impossible to join the euro upon independence anyway as you first have to join the ERM II (which is entirely voluntary), then be in it for two years before you get to join the full eurozone.


This is the problem we face. No offense, but your evidently in a position of ignorance, hence accept what they've heard in mainstream media (?). Which is absolutely fine since your in Australia, but the problem is there are countless people HERE who can't be arsed to do the smallest bit of research into the facts and instead just rely on the half truths, omissions, and flat out lies from the MSM, which is utterly biased in their coverage. Hence why the BBC was mentioned above.




Agreed. Don't see it happening though.





Didn't even know that




No.

RE Currency So your currency,Interest rates and Inflation will be controlled by the Bank of England ?

 

[Cal]

RE Illegal wars Tony Blair is Scottish and 33% of the British Army are also Scottish, Gordon Brown is Scottish and Camoron is a Scot born in London. So I don't think its fair to wash Scotland's hands of any blame regarding that particular subject.

I think if you put it to the Scottish people, and indeed Scottish parliament members, not pseudo scottish career politicians, we wouldn't have gone to iraq. Likewise, I bet if you put it to the English people what their views on the privatisation of the NHS is they would also be strongly against. Tells you everything you need to know about westminster politics.

Does "Independence" not include Independence from the EU ?

RE Currency So your currency,Interest rates and Inflation will be controlled by the Bank of England ?

Literally just debated these exact topics an hour ago, so Im a tad weary, but..

No, that is not the case. Scottish citizens are EU citizens currently. The EU wouldn't move to effectively expel millions of its citizens for absolutely no reason.

Re currency, its clear that would only be a short term transition option, and in my opinion, a beneficial one. But its a moot argument anyway since a currency union WILL happen, despite the bluff and bluster from Gideon early in the year.

I can explain the position on these two arguments in detail if you really want me too, but as I said Im quite worn out tbh

So uh,

Are they going to change the name of the British and Irish Lions now?

Trivial.

 

[Pimpin]

you can't join he eurozone without having 2/3 years your own currency and maintaining a certain % of inflation, after that you can join the EU zone.

 

[wera]

See, Handoyo and some others, people can easily have political discussion on a football forum without any problems whatsoever.

I hope you guys make it, just like Slovenia and other balkan countries did in the last 20+ years.

 

[YNWALFC]

I think if you put it to the Scottish people, and indeed Scottish parliament members, not pseudo scottish career politicians, we wouldn't have gone to iraq. Likewise, I bet if you put it to the English people what their views on the privatisation of the NHS is they would also be strongly against. Tells you everything you need to know about westminster politics.



Literally just debated these exact topics an hour ago, so Im a tad weary, but..

No, that is not the case. Scottish citizens are EU citizens currently. The EU wouldn't move to effectively expel millions of its citizens for absolutely no reason.

Re currency, its clear that would only be a short term transition option, and in my opinion, a beneficial one. But its a moot argument anyway since a currency union WILL happen, despite the bluff and bluster from Gideon early in the year.

I can explain the position on these two arguments in detail if you really want me too, but as I said Im quite worn out tbh

I just presumed you'd want independence from the EU because they make loads of laws without your consent.
I know they wouldn't expel Scotland, because from their point of view, they want more workers and they will even engage in dodgy wars in order to get more people working for them (Ukraine ).

In regards to the Bank of England and the pound, you wont be independent until you control your own currency and I'm not sure the EURO is the way to go either. Still you can cross that bridge when you come to it I suppose.

How are you going to keep your politicians honest ? because its not Westminster that's the problem its the crooks who masquerade themselves as politicians that are the problem.

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See, Handoyo and some others, people can easily have political discussion on a football forum without any problems whatsoever.

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I've seen threads on this subject turn to sh*t very quickly I only asked in here because it only effects a handful of members.

Besides its not like we are discussing anything important ...






Like Gaza or Ethnic Cleansing.

 

[Cal]

I just presumed you'd want independence from the EU because they make loads of laws without your consent.

Another debate for another day I suppose

In regards to the Bank of England and the pound, you wont be independent until you control your own currency and I'm not sure the EURO is the way to go either. Still you can cross that bridge when you come to it I suppose.

Surely by that same logic then France, Italy, Germany, Spain etc. aren't independent countries?

A currency union will happen since the bank of england is a shared british asset. If we arent allowed our fair share of the assets, then we arent entitled to any of its liabilities. The UK will lose 10% of GDP overnight, yet still be burdened with 100% of the trillion pound debt. Thats why westminster has to accept.

If you want my personal view we're only going down this road so we don't lose votes, since your average punter would be scared witless if it was said we are floating a new currency or whatever. Again, we'll negotiate a sterling zone in the transition period, but hopefully in the 2016 Scottish election there will be different currency options on the political menu.

How are you going to keep your politicians honest ? because its not Westminster that's the problem its the crooks who masquerade themselves as politicians that are the problem.

Simple. Accountability.


For the first time ever, our politicians will truly be accountable to us via the ballot box. So... if they pull any shite, then we won't be having it, and they'll be gone. Especially since we have a far more fair electoral system than fptp, which only serves labour and the torys (ie those with power already)

 

[YNWALFC]

Surely by that same logic then France, Italy, Germany, Spain etc. aren't independent countries?

No they are all dependent on Germany

 

[Kakaroto]

Forza Cal!!

 

[ScottishInterista]

Just hope it turns out a yes vote

 

[Pimpin]

I am really hoping for yes guys

really hope scots win

 

[ScottishInterista]

According to the polls recently it will be close but most of the people i know seem to be in favour of it. Also a fact just to bring up is that no daily/National newspapers have come out in support of it. The only major newspaper to come out in favour of it is the Sunday Telegraph.

 

[wera]

yo, the liverpool dude

but it is important, every person from every corner of the earth has their own struggles (some bigger, some smaller, we can all agree on that) and small wins in life that still mean something. I think it would help a lot if Scotland gained that last step to freedom that Mel Gibson dude yelled about

 

[Pimpin]

i want a link with nonstop updates

 

[Fapuccino]

i want a link with nonstop updates

I'm not that type of girl

 

[ScottishInterista]

words cannot describe how heart broken i am at that no vote. Must be the first country in the modern era to want to be ruled by someone else. Well we have another 300 years of broken promises, food banks, illegal wars, nuclear weapons, poverty, wealthier getting wealthier and privatisation. Fun times ahead. I actually feel like crying as most of the reasons for voting against it was "i dinnae like Salmond" or "i dont think its a good idea" without any research done, they there is the 100000 people that didnt vote in glasgow. Seriously fuck this country, makes emigrating somewhere else seem much more appealing

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Well time to fap

 

[Pimpin]

bunch of cowards if you ask me

 

[Cal]

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[YNWALFC]

yo, the liverpool dude

but it is important, every person from every corner of the earth has their own struggles (some bigger, some smaller, we can all agree on that) and small wins in life that still mean something. I think it would help a lot if Scotland gained that last step to freedom that Mel Gibson dude yelled about

YO YO YO Rapper Wera Dude

I know its important I was just having a laugh with Cal,while also pointing out due to the small amount of posters and a lack of No voters in this debate it was unlikely to lead to discourse.

 

[Dylan]

Mon' 'en.

 

[ScottishInterista]

Is it on Saturday?