Sebastiano Esposito

[.h.]

I see you choose to mention everyone but Benassi and Duncan. Duncan had 3 league appearances and 25 minutes before sending him out on loan. Benassi was more lucky as he was still at the club when Strama was playing youngsters out of desperation due to injury crisis in second half of 2012/13 so he got 6 league appearances (3 starts) before leaving on loan.

Dimarco is still at Inter because Verona fucked up. They had an option to keep him permanently without a buyback option for Inter. We were lucky enough that Verona asked for a discount because Juric had left and EdF didn't consider him important for his back 4. Even Ausilio himself admitted they didn't expect Dimarco to become that good.

Tbh I didn't see them in the list, I just quickly looked at wikipedia squad stats, for whatever reason those two guys weren't listed

But the point is there no? They had chances, infact they had more chance than most youth ever get at Inter..

 

[Adriano@10]

I see you choose to mention everyone but Benassi and Duncan. Duncan had 3 league appearances and 25 minutes before sending him out on loan. Benassi was more lucky as he was still at the club when Strama was playing youngsters out of desperation due to injury crisis in second half of 2012/13 so he got 6 league appearances (3 starts) before leaving on loan.

Dimarco is still at Inter because Verona fucked up. They had an option to keep him permanently without a buyback option for Inter. We were lucky enough that Verona asked for a discount because Juric had left and EdF didn't consider him important for his back 4. Even Ausilio himself admitted they didn't expect Dimarco to become that good.

To be fair nobody expected dimarco to become that good. Instead of looking only at the players we sent out on loan where it did not work out we could also look at the players we kept and who also did not work out for various reasons. Neither balo nor Santon worked out for us despite beig with the first team early on and getting playing time.
All of that eig said i think you guys are underestimating just how good one has o be to even be a backup at inter and 99% of the players are not there when they are 19.... and in order to get there most of em need playing time.
Heck KdB and Salah both had to take a step back to a smalr team when they signed at chelsea cause they were not there yet and were not gettng enough playing time to develop.
Fact is most footballers are in their prime fro like 23/24 to like 30/32 and most players are not good enough to even be backup at a big club before entering their prime.

 

[thatdude]

To be fair nobody expected dimarco to become that good. Instead of looking only at the players we sent out on loan where it did not work out we could also look at the players we kept and who also did not work out for various reasons. Neither balo nor Santon worked out for us despite beig with the first team early on and getting playing time.
All of that eig said i think you guys are underestimating just how good one has o be to even be a backup at inter and 99% of the players are not there when they are 19.... and in order to get there most of em need playing time.
Heck KdB and Salah both had to take a step back to a smalr team when they signed at chelsea cause they were not there yet and were not gettng enough playing time to develop.
Fact is most footballers are in their prime fro like 23/24 to like 30/32 and most players are not good enough to even be backup at a big club before entering their prime.

Balotelli and Santon eventually didn’t work out at Inter for different reasons but it wasn’t really due to a lack of talent. Saying they failed is just not correct. They performed well in some high pressure situations for the club. We sold both for good money.

Balotelli and Santon are reasons to give more kids a chance, not less.

 

[CafeCordoba]

They prove that if you have enough talent and you've shown your worth keeping you, you get a chance in the squad. No kid is and should get a chance because someone else made it earlier. And they won't.

 

[.h.]

to be blunt, the reason Santon and Balotelli got as many chances at Inter as they did is very simple.

They had a small chance, took advantage of it, and kept delivering. Santon managed to defend against one of the world's best players as an 18 year old. Balotelli scored two goals against Juve on his 2nd? ever Inter match.

Does anyone here really believe that we could drop in Kamate, Esposito, Satriano, or someone like that and expect that sort of impact?


You gotta seize the few opportunities you get. You wont get many shots in life, or in football, to break straight into the top level. And if you cant or dont do it, then its natural you go out on loan.

Esposito played 194 minutes for Inter, and tbh, showed very little in them aside from a reasonable penalty.

Asllani has the same problem, he's actually *not done* that much since he joined Inter, its been two years now.


I find we are always trying to justify why our youth players should get more game time - no one has ever had to justify why Messi, Mbappe, Balotelli, Santon, etc, deserve more game time.

 

[CafeCordoba]

Lol, Asllani is on a totally different category than the other guys mentioned. He starts games for Inzaghi and featured in well over 50% of the matches last season. Asllani is not a good comparable here, but Seba Esposito surely is.

 

[.h.]

to be fair, >50% of matches last season is a misleading A F statistic

he played 7 league games total >30 minutes, total 772 minutes in the league which is 8 full matches basically.

Cuadradro played a third of the minutes Asllani played, and he missed more than half of the season with an injury

 

[CafeCordoba]

So what? He took part in over 50% of the matches meaning Inzaghi felt he needed Asllani on the pitch in all those matches, more or less minutes. Started few games, played few 90min games, was subbed in at key moments (when the game was still on the line, like us leasing by 1 goal) etc

Asllani doesn't belong to this converation, that was the point like you well understood.

 

[Il Drago]

Lol, Asllani is on a totally different category than the other guys mentioned. He starts games for Inzaghi and featured in well over 50% of the matches last season. Asllani is not a good comparable here, but Seba Esposito surely is.

This. Asllani isn't a primavera kid. Asllani was starting matches at Empoli when he joined Inter. He was a lot more proven than any Inter primavera kid when he started getting chances at Inter.

 

[.h.]

This. Asllani isn't a primavera kid. Asllani was starting matches at Empoli when he joined Inter. He was a lot more proven than any Inter primavera kid when he started getting chances at Inter.

correct, but still, he's done very little at inter for two seasons, which comes back to my point - when you get given chances, you gotta seize them. Dont get me wrong, im not saying we should sell him or anything, but rather than us trying to work out how we get him more game time, he needs to ask himself how he shows enough to deserve more game time


I suspect if he doesnt make a significant push on this season compared to last year, then we might start looking round for a sale next summer. He'll be 23, with no significant progress after.3 years. UNLESS we have a short term exit plan for Hakan (e.g. an offer next summer we accept)

 

[PHM1605]

to be fair, >50% of matches last season is a misleading A F statistic

he played 7 league games total >30 minutes, total 772 minutes in the league which is 8 full matches basically.

Cuadradro played a third of the minutes Asllani played, and he missed more than half of the season with an injury

Here is where stats isn't sufficient to talk about football. There is a huge weighting difference between playing fewer minutes in important matches; versus playing full charity matches only for the sake of eating the minutes. Also it is much tougher to get in the best midfield of Serie A.

Cuadrado is a nice example of stats drawbacks.

 

[.h.]

Here is where stats isn't sufficient to talk about football. There is a huge weighting difference between playing fewer minutes in important matches; versus playing full charity matches only for the sake of eating the minutes. Also it is much tougher to get in the best midfield of Serie A.

Cuadrado is a nice example of stats drawbacks.

when you talk about charity matches, you know 2 of Aslani's 5 starts were when we already won the league right?

and I'm not sure how much one develops with 10 min vs Milan when its already 4-1, 7 min vs Juve, really. which is kinda my point about cafe's statistic being a bit misleading - I dont know how one wants to define a substantive sub appearance, lets say more than 15 min, but that means 9 of his league appearances last year werent substantive

 

[PHM1605]

when you talk about charity matches, you know 2 of Aslani's 5 starts were when we already won the league right?

and I'm not sure how much one develops with 10 min vs Milan when its already 4-1, 7 min vs Juve, really. which is kinda my point about cafe's statistic being a bit misleading - I dont know how one wants to define a substantive sub appearance, lets say more than 15 min, but that means 9 of his league appearances last year werent substantive

Why can't you just watch the two before putting them in the same category, base on some your self-defined thresholds like "15min" = "substantive", "playing" = "start" (?!?) '

- Most of Inter fans know how Asllani plays. I doubt anyone know Esposito, literally still a nobody.

- Asllani is the first team regular. Esposito can't even ride a Serie A bench.

- Asllani can easily be sold for tens of millions. Esposito can't even be loaned without option.

- Asllani starts for his NT already.

Come on, the quality difference can't be more clear. The Albanian doesn't progress, what the hell man? He is playing better day after day and even made a lot of key passes.

 

[Corrode]

he just hates every single young players i think, traumatically from Football manager games i assume.

in reality I don't even care about Football manager. it's just a game. but i know Italia after all has done a worse regeneration in football from some football pundits over there, related to their failure in every single NT competitions.

 

[.h.]

Why can't you just watch the two before putting them in the same category, base on some your self-defined thresholds like "15min" = "substantive", "playing" = "start" (?!?) '

- Most of Inter fans know how Asllani plays. I doubt anyone know Esposito, literally still a nobody.

- Asllani is the first team regular. Esposito can't even ride a Serie A bench.

- Asllani can easily be sold for tens of millions. Esposito can't even be loaned without option.

- Asllani starts for his NT already.

Come on, the quality difference can't be more clear. The Albanian doesn't progress, what the hell man? He is playing better day after day and even made a lot of key passes.

Cmon man, he's a bit more settled last year than he was the year before, but these are his crucial development years. As everyone said in his first season, we should probably have loaned him out and given him more game time.

Asllani played fewer minutes than Sanchez or Arnautovic, or even Bisseck. Thats hardly a success.

 

[.h.]

he just hates every single young players i think, traumatically from Football manager games i assume.

in reality I don't even care about Football manager. it's just a game. but i know Italia after all has done a worse regeneration in football from some football pundits over there, related to their failure in every single NT competitions.

yeah, i hate youth, which is why im advocating for us building a B team for more than a decade now, and I'm the guy who started the Dimarco thread 12 years ago

great argument

theres literally nothing id like more than a team with, say, 5 Inter primavera players in it. But we need to improve their path to the first team, and that means finding the right loans and an U-23 squad which helps them break thorugh.

Or, we have a first team injury crisis, and we have a crop of great youth talents to fill those spots. As I said, Inter early 2010s had a similar moment where we did give decent chance to youth and none of tem amounted to much really.

 

[CafeCordoba]

he just hates every single young players i think, traumatically from Football manager games i assume.

in reality I don't even care about Football manager. it's just a game. but i know Italia after all has done a worse regeneration in football from some football pundits over there, related to their failure in every single NT competitions.

Please, do not engage to the conversation like this. It's not constructive.

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As for Asllani, yes this year is important for him. If Inzaghi doesn't trust him MORE than what he did past year, then a loan out of Inter / sale but be the best solution for the guy. But just looking at the minutes is not reasonable, Inzaghi gave him pretty important minutes last season, it's not like he protected Asllani or anything, he threw the boy in at some key moments like I mentioned before.

 

[thatdude]

They prove that if you have enough talent and you've shown your worth keeping you, you get a chance in the squad. No kid is and should get a chance because someone else made it earlier. And they won't.

That was 15 years ago now. You’re telling me we haven’t had a single talent worth giving a chance to from then till Dimarco? Come on man

 

[CafeCordoba]

Well no. We gave Esposito a chance, we gave Pinamonti a chance, we gave Carboni a chance.

They weren't good enough to earn more playing time and keeping them at Inter didn't make sense. The point still stands, there haven't been good enough kids who would have taken their spot and place in the squad so that they would have actually played some proper minutes.

This (Inter) is a winning business, not to develop kids, make profits (out of kids) or any shit like that.

 

[.h.]

Well no. We gave Esposito a chance, we gave Pinamonti a chance, we gave Carboni a chance.

They weren't good enough to earn more playing time and keeping them at Inter didn't make sense. The point still stands, there haven't been good enough kids who would have taken their spot and place in the squad so that they would have actually played some proper minutes.

This (Inter) is a winning business, not to develop kids, make profits (out of kids) or any shit like that.

which is also precisely the reason why we should loan them out and let them develop elsewhere, and bring them back if they make it !!!!!