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There is a huge chance when this list of forward would be happened next season...Inter transfer budget are still questionable, the forward are getting costly this day.... I think Oaktree will take this list strongly.
 

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Reports say that Empoli has decided to use the €5m buyout clause. I'd take him back for €7-8m as the 5th option. He being a homegrown would help the team have more depth for the UCL squad.
Empoli can do nothing if they are relegated, as their ranking now. Esposito is now Serie A proven, I don't think he wants to step back to Serie B.

His contract is going to be an issue though. Expiring 2026 and he always demands too much.
 

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Esposito has already signed his contract with Empoli lol. He literally can't refuse to join them permanently if they trigger the option.

A condition of any loan + option in Italy is that the player signs their full permanent contract as part of the loan.
 

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Esposito has already signed his contract with Empoli lol. He literally can't refuse to join them permanently if they trigger the option.

A condition of any loan + option in Italy is that the player signs their full permanent contract as part of the loan.
Nope he doesn't. Loan + option only means Inter must agree if Empoli pay that money. But far as I know, player can't sign long term contract unless the term is obligation.

Otherwise can you show me the source, when his next contract expires?
 

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Nope he doesn't. Loan + option only means Inter must agree if Empoli pay that money. But far as I know, player can't sign long term contract unless the term is obligation.

Otherwise can you show me the source, when his next contract expires?
Your actually correct atleast if one is to believe Transfermarket
If this is the case trying him as our 5th striker should be a no brainer...
 

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Yup for example this is how the Frattesi loan deal was mentioned:

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Not the same in Esposito case.
 

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Nope he doesn't. Loan + option only means Inter must agree if Empoli pay that money. But far as I know, player can't sign long term contract unless the term is obligation.

Otherwise can you show me the source, when his next contract expires?
You are incorrect on this

In Italy - its some weird Italian thing - the player signs their *full* contract with the club they are being loaned by. It's some fucking weirdass thing which doesnt exist in, as far as I know, ANY other footballing nation.

The question has come up before about 'can a player refuse their loan option being exercised', and the answer is no. They've *already* signed the long term contract with the club.

That contract is only 'enacted', of course, if they actually join in full.



Esposito has no power in this. His only option would have been to negotiate, either in his contract, or the loan agreement, a termination option on the basis of relegation (For example) which may well have happened.


I'll try to find a source, but there was some scenario a while ago where a player didnt really want to go to the club they'd signed for on loan, permanently, and it was made clear there was no legal basis for refusal.


Here's an example - Kyle Walker:

He's on a contract till 2027, if Milan choose to trigger the option.


(This is, as I understand it, only in the case of a right/obligation to purchase the player, loans without options/obligations dont have that)



Or, let me put it another way, name one time a loan + option player had it triggered that the player then refused to honour the contract? Literally never :D



On a bit further research, it might not just be an Italy thing, but I know for sure in Italy it is a thing.

e.g. an answer from a professional here:


Infact, the more I read, the more I think its 100% standard across the board.



A player can not refuse an option being exercised, unless there's a clause that gets them out of jail.
 
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You are incorrect on this

In Italy - its some weird Italian thing - the player signs their *full* contract with the club they are being loaned by. It's some fucking weirdass thing which doesnt exist in, as far as I know, ANY other footballing nation.

The question has come up before about 'can a player refuse their loan option being exercised', and the answer is no. They've *already* signed the long term contract with the club.

That contract is only 'enacted', of course, if they actually join in full.



Esposito has no power in this. His only option would have been to negotiate, either in his contract, or the loan agreement, a termination option on the basis of relegation (For example) which may well have happened.


I'll try to find a source, but there was some scenario a while ago where a player didnt really want to go to the club they'd signed for on loan, permanently, and it was made clear there was no legal basis for refusal.


Here's an example - Kyle Walker:

He's on a contract till 2027, if Milan choose to trigger the option.


(This is, as I understand it, only in the case of a right/obligation to purchase the player, loans without options/obligations dont have that)



Or, let me put it another way, name one time a loan + option player had it triggered that the player then refused to honour the contract? Literally never :D



On a bit further research, it might not just be an Italy thing, but I know for sure in Italy it is a thing.

e.g. an answer from a professional here:


Infact, the more I read, the more I think its 100% standard across the board.



A player can not refuse an option being exercised, unless there's a clause that gets them out of jail.
It s weird cause tranfermaket says his contract with empoli runs till this summer and the one with inter till 26....

Edit: Anyways i guess your right as the italian press also says there is nothing we or he could do if Empoli uses that option
 

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It s weird cause tranfermaket says his contract with empoli runs till this summer and the one with inter till 26....
yeah, thats correct, I dont think his permanent contract actually comes into play until he joins them as a permanent - but point is, it's already been signed, wages etc have been agreed, and he has no ability to refuse it.

His contract with Inter is sitll in full force until he's registered elsewhere, and the validity of his current contract is only until end of loan with Empoli.
 

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yeah, thats correct, I dont think his permanent contract actually comes into play until he joins them as a permanent - but point is, it's already been signed, wages etc have been agreed, and he has no ability to refuse it.

His contract with Inter is sitll in full force until he's registered elsewhere, and the validity of his current contract is only until end of loan with Empoli.
You keep saying "agree", then shows me the specific numbers?

It makes zero sense for any premature paper to be legal, hence the point of a 'signature', without any salary mentioned nor contract expiration date. Or else...hey, we agree to buyout your contract with Inter, so now you have no choice but joining us for whatever salary. 10 bucks per week like slaves but you can't refuse?

Yeah they, both him and Empoli, must still negotiate the contract. Nothing is signed officially.
 

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You keep saying "agree", then shows me the specific numbers?

It makes zero sense for any premature paper to be legal, hence the point of a 'signature', without any salary mentioned nor contract expiration date. Or else...hey, we agree to buyout your contract with Inter, so now you have no choice but joining us for whatever salary. 10 bucks per week like slaves but you can't refuse?

Yeah they, both him and Empoli, must still negotiate the contract. Nothing is signed officially.
Nah bro that contract is already negotiated...... it will just be triggered if Empoli pays those 5 mio...
Think about it i dont think any of our lonees who we eventually kept had renegotiations once we pulled the trigger.
You re only right if there is no option to buy in the first place.

Also if seba really does not want to be there he could still tell em and they are gonna most likely just sell him on and take a couple of mios in profis especially if they go to serie B
 

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Nah bro that contract is already negotiated...... it will just be triggered if Empoli pays those 5 mio...
Think about it i dont think any of our lonees who we eventually kept had renegotiations once we pulled the trigger.
You re only right if there is no option to buy in the first place.

Also if seba really does not want to be there he could still tell em and they are gonna most likely just sell him on and take a couple of mios in profis especially if they go to serie B
Bingo.
 

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You keep saying "agree", then shows me the specific numbers?

It makes zero sense for any premature paper to be legal, hence the point of a 'signature', without any salary mentioned nor contract expiration date. Or else...hey, we agree to buyout your contract with Inter, so now you have no choice but joining us for whatever salary. 10 bucks per week like slaves but you can't refuse?

Yeah they, both him and Empoli, must still negotiate the contract. Nothing is signed officially.
I think I've posted enough proof above that this is exactly how the mechanism works. I have no fucking idea what was agreed between Esposito and Empoli, but I can tell you there is already a signed agreement that will come into force by Empoli paying us some money, and Espo can't refuse or reject it. And that's the only thing that matters.

Unless there's a relegation "do not transfer" clause, or Empoli can't afford the 5m, there is nothing that can stop him being an Empoli player this summer.
 

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So basically you guys proof is like this:
- no numbers mentioned anywhere.
- there is a unilateral bond between the two, Empoli and Esposito. Empoli may or may not pay Esposito anything. But the poor kid cannot change his verbal agreement even when his club is relegated and he must play in Serie B. One is holding the sword handle and one holds the blade.

Then let me say that such unilateral doesn't work in any business. The signed agreement is between Inter-and-Napoli-the-clubs. Not club-vs-player. Let's agree or disagree here.
 

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So basically you guys proof is like this:
- no numbers mentioned anywhere.
- there is a unilateral bond between the two, Empoli and Esposito. Empoli may or may not pay Esposito anything. But the poor kid cannot change his verbal agreement even when his club is relegated and he must play in Serie B. One is holding the sword handle and one holds the blade.

Then let me say that such unilateral doesn't work in any business. The signed agreement is between Inter-and-Napoli-the-clubs. Not club-vs-player. Let's agree or disagree here.
This is just approaching retarded now lmfao. Ok. You do you brother.

Name one player who refused an option being exercised on their loan :D
Name one time Inter wanted to sign a player but it collapsed because of greed AFTER their loan had already occured :D

I've already posted the Kyle Walker example as proof of a loan + option with the contract agreed..


Disagree with the facts all you want but it's objectively true :D


Another example re Tel/Tottenham
 

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This is just approaching retarded now lmfao. Ok. You do you brother.

Name one player who refused an option being exercised on their loan :D
Name one time Inter wanted to sign a player but it collapsed because of greed AFTER their loan had already occured :D

I've already posted the Kyle Walker example as proof of a loan + option with the contract agreed..


Disagree with the facts all you want but it's objectively true :D
Facts without number then an insult then tons of idiotic lmaos without reading your own link. I remember you cried and put me into your ignored list already (?!?)
 

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Facts without number then an insult then an idiotic lmao without reading your own link. I remember you cried and put me into your ignored list already (?!?)
Because this IS borderline retarded. You can't "agree to disagree" the laws of how football transfers work.


Same applies for Radford, Tel, etc. I thought it was a weird Italian thing but it isn't.. looks like ALL loans with options include a pre agreed permanent contract for the player and it CANNOT be refused by the player because it's already signed.

Post any evidence I'm wrong? You can't, your only position is "show me the contract". Well unsurprisingly I can't show you the design specs of the B2 but I can tell you that thing exists.

Anyway this is - as I said - retarded. What's done is done now. Esposito can come BACK to inter but he isn't can't refuse the transfer. We will revisit this in the summer :D
 

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Because this IS borderline retarded. You can't "agree to disagree" the laws of how football transfers work.


Same applies for Radford, Tel, etc. I thought it was a weird Italian thing but it isn't.. looks like ALL loans with options include a pre agreed permanent contract for the player and it CANNOT be refused by the player because it's already signed.

Post any evidence I'm wrong? You can't, your only position is "show me the contract". Well unsurprisingly I can't show you the design specs of the B2 but I can tell you that thing exists.

Anyway this is - as I said - retarded. What's done is done now. Esposito can come BACK to inter but he isn't can't refuse the transfer. We will revisit this in the summer :D
Wonder why this toxic way of so-called "debate" is always ignored by the admins or mods. While some posters get infraction with a sniff provoke. There is a clear favoritism.
 

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Wonder why this toxic way of so-called "debate" is always ignored by the admins or mods. Why some posters get infraction with a sniff provoke. There is a clear favoritism.
I haven't once called you retarded. I've called the argument retarded. You can't "agree to disagree" the laws of the sport. You don't get a subjective opinion on it. It's like arguing whether gravity is real or not. Your opinion is irrelevant. The only thing toxic here is you continually arguing something that is objectively wrong.

The other stupid thing is I've posted substantial evidence of my point. You just choose to ignore it. Lmao.
 

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I haven't once called you retarded. I've called the argument retarded. You can't "agree to disagree" the laws of the sport. You don't get a subjective opinion on it. It's like arguing whether gravity is real or not. Your opinion is irrelevant. The only thing toxic here is you continually arguing something that is objectively wrong.

The other stupid thing is I've posted substantial evidence of my point. You just choose to ignore it. Lmao.
I won't downgrade my level this low sorry. Lose interest since you keep spamming dirty words and see it as a norm.
 
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