Sebastiano Esposito

[.h.]

I won't downgrade my level this low sorry. Lose interest since you keep spamming dirty words and see it as a norm.

Cool. Doesn't change the fact that you're wrong!

 

[PHM1605]

Cool. Doesn't change the fact that you're wrong!

How old are you, bro? I feel like kids wanna win their candies.
You don't even post a serious article to your so-called fAcTs. You show some random back-and-forth posts from Redcafe & Reddit, exactly like how it's going on here on fif and on the same your links here's what I read:





That's what people are also doing, debate, not Facts. But read how they are exchanging opinions in a mature way, and learn one thing or two.

 

[.h.]

How old are you, bro? I feel like kids wanna win their candies.
You don't even post a serious article to your so-called fAcTs. You show some random back-and-forth posts from Redcafe & Reddit, exactly like how it's going on here on fif and on the same your links here's what I read:

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That's what people are also doing, debate, not Facts. But read how they are exchanging opinions in a mature way, and learn one thing or two.

Buyout clause is not the option clause on a loan.

All of your examples are release clause. The player of course can reject that transfer. None of those players were on loan

Funny how you accuse me of not even reading stuff I post lmfao


Your example is, eg, if someone offered 85m for Thuram or 111m for Lautaro...

 

[brehme1989]

lol what did I enter into....

Loan + Option deals are automatic when the clause is paid only if there was a pre-contract signed. Did Esposito sign one? Some media outlets are alluding that this is the case. That's all there is to it.


There's no law about these things. They're all going case by case.

 

[.h.]

lol what did I enter into....

Loan + Option deals are automatic when the clause is paid only if there was a pre-contract signed. Did Esposito sign one? Some media outlets are alluding that this is the case. That's all there is to it.


There's no law about these things. They're all going case by case.

My understanding, as I said, is that a precondition for any loan where the loaning club has either an option, or obligation, to sign the player, the contract is already negotiated and done.

As I said, when has Inter ever negotiated the contract after we decided we wanted to keep a loaned player? Or name an example where an option exercise has fallen through because they couldn't agree terms with the player?

As I posted in one of my comments there's a number of professionals out there, that I linked to, that say the same thing. By the time the loan is made, the contract is already agreed as part of process.

Whether that's "discretionary but done all the time" or mandatory, I don't know, but the same effect is there.


Just to state the obvious in the case of people like Muani where there's no option it's different

 

[PHM1605]

Buyout clause is not the option clause on a loan.

All of your examples are release clause. The player of course can reject that transfer. None of those players were on loan

Funny how you accuse me of not even reading stuff I post lmfao


Your example is, eg, if someone offered 85m for Thuram or 111m for Lautaro...

Here is from the Mathys Tel link. You are the one whom don't read your own post:



That's far from fixed or facts. If we want Seba back we can affect his final say. Most likely not as he is not good enough to begin with but that's a different story.

 

[.h.]

Here is from the Mathys Tel link. You are the one whom don't read your own post:

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That's far from fixed or facts. If we want Seba back we can affect his final say. Most likely not as he is not good enough to begin with but that's a different story.

Yes and the reason I posted that is because there's someone later on who says that they are a professional footballer and these assumptions are wrong. The very link I sent was direct to the post....



The only way we can bring him back is to either buy him again, or pay Empoli to not exercise their option. That's it. Espo has no say in the transfer now, his consent was provided last summer already.



To spell it out:

https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/s/AXPYko0rht

https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/s/NH75lfzeQz

To be balanced, this comment here agrees with Brehme - but leans on "my" side, eg pointing out to a parent comment that the option isn't just a trigger between the clubs.

https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/s/uoX9Nj3vPB

 

[RickyMaravilla'sRightFoot]

I don’t get the confusion. Empoli have an option to make the move permanent. If they exercise the option (they will) than Seba is an Empoli player. It doesn’t matter if he wants to be there or not, he signed the contract. The only way he comes back to us without repurchasing him is if Empoli decide not to exercise their buy option.

That being said, he will probably be sold, especially if they get relegated. We retain a resale percentage so we could probably get a favorable deal on him if we still have big enough faith in the kid.

 

[.h.]

I don’t get the confusion. Empoli have an option to make the move permanent. If they exercise the option (they will) than Seba is an Empoli player. It doesn’t matter if he wants to be there or not, he signed the contract.

That being said, he will probably be sold, especially if they get relegated. We retain a resale percentage so we could probably get a favorable deal on him if we still have big enough faith in the kid.

To be fair this misconception is super super common. I guess probably partly because games like FM implement it how you'd expect - ef you exercise your option THEN you agree a contract with the player. But not how it works in reality.

 

[brehme1989]

To be fair this misconception is super super common. I guess probably partly because games like FM implement it how you'd expect - ef you exercise your option THEN you agree a contract with the player. But not how it works in reality.

Funny you mention FM, because they have this absurd system where a loan + obligation, where you get to offer a contract to the loanee, upon rejection, it still becomes a loan + standard option

Whereas in real life, it falls through.


What always happens is that the player on loan signs a deal with the new club, but it usually just says that the team will cover the existing contract, which may or may not state some things about the agreed upon bonuses.
What tends to happen, is that there's a second contract upon activation, or in case there are different conditions (eg a raise or extra bonuses). But that's not always the case. For example when Icardi was loaned to PSG, he had signed a separate deal with them as well. And that was the contract that was valid upon their activation.

 

[RickyMaravilla'sRightFoot]

To be fair this misconception is super super common. I guess probably partly because games like FM implement it how you'd expect - ef you exercise your option THEN you agree a contract with the player. But not how it works in reality.

It’s been like this forever though. Loan + Option deal means the team receiving the player gets a trial period to test the goods and see if it’s worth it. The power is entirely in the buyers hands once the documents have been signed. The consent from the player comes when the loan option deal is signed. It’s not like the player doesn’t have any say. If they regret that choice than tough— they have to work that out with their new club.

I’m not a finance person but it doesn’t seem to dissimilar to a stock option depending on the terms. Maybe it’s a great deal; maybe it isn’t.

 

[.h.]

It’s been like this forever though. Loan + Option deal means the team receiving the player gets a trial period to test the goods and see if it’s worth it. The power is entirely in the buyers hands once the documents have been signed. The consent from the player comes when the loan option deal is signed. It’s not like the player doesn’t have any say. If they regret that choice than tough— they have to work that out with their new club.

I’m not a finance person but it doesn’t seem to dissimilar to a stock option depending on the terms. Maybe it’s a great deal; maybe it isn’t.

Oh I know, I agree with you, it's been like this for ages..just surprising how many people don't realise still.

 

[brehme1989]

Thing is, there have been such cases but they're just not advertised much. They just say in public that the club didn't want to exercise the option.

 

[junior55]

Did he get back to his usual up and downs ?
Haven't heard much of him during 2025 while he was on fire ending 2024

Him not scoring or assisting anymore placed Empoli deep in relegation zone as well

 

[.h.]

Did he get back to his usual up and downs ?
Haven't heard much of him during 2025 while he was on fire ending 2024

Him not scoring or assisting anymore placed Empoli deep in relegation zone as well

I'm not aware of any discipline etc issues it's just performance as far as I know. But yeah right now the season has gone off a cliff for him...

 

[pier]

I think it may also be because Empoli's performance has been poor; they haven't won a game in Serie A since early December of last year. If I'm right, they had a lot of injuries too, and most of their regular starters were among those injured, like Viti, Ismaijli, Fazzini and Anjorin. Also, their goalkeeper, Vasquez, doesn't seem to be back to his best just yet.

 

[Abu Bader]

He hasn't scored in his last 13 matches in the league. His last goal was against us.

Still, the talent is there and he easily passes the eye test. If possible I'd try to bring him back as a 4th option or 5th.

 

[.h.]

He hasn't scored in his last 13 matches in the league. His last goal was against us.

Still, the talent is there and he easily passes the eye test. If possible I'd try to bring him back as a 4th option or 5th.

given his poor performances at the moment, 4th/5th choice isnt useful for him at all to develop and find his level, tbh. If performances dont improve, he needs another year as a first team regular to see how he actually ends up.

Given his age, etc, he should be a rotation player at a big club, or a starter at a lower club, but the talent isnt delivering for the former

 

[Interis7a]

He can improve his skills by training and playing with players like Lautaro and Thuram. Plus, there will be a lot of games next season, so, he can get enough minutes on the pitch as a fourth option. Thuram and Lautaro could get much less playing time if we had another decent striker.

 

[.h.]

He can improve his skills by training and playing with players like Lautaro and Thuram. Plus, there will be a lot of games next season, so, he can get enough minutes on the pitch as a fourth option. Thuram and Lautaro could get much less playing time if we had another decent striker.

Yeah, but nothing about him right now says "good enough". Taremi scored a duck tonne of goals in the Portuguese league he can't even score two from open play at Inter. Realistically Esposito could be worse than him.
If this guy wasn't an inter primavera product no one would be interested.