Serie A Calcio Mercato, Summer 2022-23

[.h.]

I would also go for the italians. Younger, high level potential.

 

[CafeCordoba]

Of course, we need defender much more than midfielder.

 

[Jnr]

discussion of Frattesi + Scalvini for 40mil + Fabbian, Mulattieri and Oristiano. It feels slightly high and I'd like to keep Fabbian, but overall, I think that's a solid exchange that moves our first team along

This deal would make us straight up Scudetto favorites next year.

We would only need to find a reliable Lautaro partner. Athletic, fast, reliable goalscorer.

 

[.h.]

tbh i mean it kind of irrespective of our positional needs. We've done well with expensive italians lately - Barella, Bastoni have worked out well for example, To get quality you need to really pay for it, I'd rather 1 40m player than 2 20m players. They're both super young, as well, so they should have good re-sale value and long term careers at Inter if it works out well. Stability in our core is also super helpful, and I do find having a strong Italian core helps.

 

[brehme1989]

well according to someone *cough* if SMS was ever going to leave Lazio, Inter was their most likely destination

What exactly are you referring to?
And...when?

The fact that Conte had him locked but decided to go for Lukaku instead was like 4 years ago!

 

[pupivn]

I don’t know, both Fratessi and Scalvini have shown their quality but we haven’t had luck with Sassuolo players (Politano, Sensi) or 50/50 with Atalanta (Bastoni, Gag)

 

[.h.]

I feel like reading *too* much into the club that produced them just gets a bit silly, tbh.

 

[Corrode]

Fratessi, Scalvini with -100m budget??

mindblowing

 

[thatdude]

tbh i mean it kind of irrespective of our positional needs. We've done well with expensive italians lately - Barella, Bastoni have worked out well for example, To get quality you need to really pay for it, I'd rather 1 40m player than 2 20m players. They're both super young, as well, so they should have good re-sale value and long term careers at Inter if it works out well. Stability in our core is also super helpful, and I do find having a strong Italian core helps.

My only concern is that Inzaghi won’t play them. Bastoni and Barella were bedded into the team by Conte. Inzaghi has shown he can get the most out of what’s essentially already available. However he hasn’t really shown he can develop younger players. This is really more a concern for Scalvini than Fratessi.

 

[.h.]

I kinda get the concern but also kinda not tbh - its not like these are primavera kids, Scalvini has been Serie A starter for 18 months now. I think both of them would get very regular game time at Inter.

Re development, in general I do agree, I think Inzaghi has been pretty poor at player development, though

 

[.h.]

Fratessi, Scalvini with -100m budget??

mindblowing

Well, the thing is, *if* we sell Fabbian, Mulattieri and Oristiano for +40mil plusvalenza, that already offsets them this season both amortisation+wages. We're also saving potentially on wages next season - Handanovic, Skriniar, Gagliardini, etc out. I think I calculated it was like 50-70mil in amort+wage savings next season based on expected leavers right now.

 

[thatdude]

I kinda get the concern but also kinda not tbh - its not like these are primavera kids, Scalvini has been Serie A starter for 18 months now. I think both of them would get very regular game time at Inter.

Re development, in general I do agree, I think Inzaghi has been pretty poor at player development, though

Yeah, however Bellanova and Asllani aren’t primavera players either. I do get that there would be a significant difference in investment and probably also quality but the current sample size is not promising.

Again this is mostly about Scalvini. Fratessi is already 23.

 

[CafeCordoba]

I wouldn't have any concerns regarding this subject. If the player is good enough, he plays. It's not about developing. We're not here to develop anything. Developing is for others, for clubs we loan the players to.

Scalvini should be good enough and if he's not, Darmian will play and Scalvini trains to be good enough.

 

[.h.]

Yeah, however Bellanova and Asllani aren’t primavera players either. I do get that there would be a significant difference in investment and probably also quality but the current sample size is not promising.

Again this is mostly about Scalvini. Fratessi is already 23.

that's true, but to be honest, that's also a reflection on spend. Bellanova and asllani exactly show why i'd rather invest 40m in 1 player than 2x20m players.

I've not seen loads of Scalvini play, but if we're looking at a 40m CB, you're talking bastoni-levels of spend, he should be able to be a first team starter within 6 months IMHO.

 

[thatdude]

I wouldn't have any concerns regarding this subject. If the player is good enough, he plays. It's not about developing. We're not here to develop anything. Developing is for others, for clubs we loan the players to.

Scalvini should be good enough and if he's not, Darmian will play and Scalvini trains to be good enough.

Yeah I think that’s too simplistic. Players learn by playing. Scalvini is not going to magically become better than Darmian by just training.

 

[.h.]

Yeah I think that’s too simplistic. Players learn by playing. Scalvini is not going to magically become better than Darmian by just training.

I think for a short period of time eg like 6 months, as it took us to really rotate in batella and Lautaro etc it's fine. It's not an argument over 1-2 seasons though IMHO.

 

[brehme1989]

Yeah I think that’s too simplistic. Players learn by playing. Scalvini is not going to magically become better than Darmian by just training.

Don't assume that training doesn't do much. It's actually closer to the opposite of what you said, if absolutes will be used.

It's one thing to train at Inter and another at Atalanta, Cagliari or Empoli.
You may also face tougher competition at training than against several Serie A teams. On a daily basis.

 

[varmin]

that's true, but to be honest, that's also a reflection on spend. Bellanova and asllani exactly show why i'd rather invest 40m in 1 player than 2x20m players.

But both of them cost us a little more than 20 mln, not 40.

I've not seen loads of Scalvini play, but if we're looking at a 40m CB, you're talking bastoni-levels of spend, he should be able to be a first team starter within 6 months IMHO.

Absolutely. I think there is a high risk about Scalvini, as he had just one good season, and he is still very young. He could be another Rugani or Obgonna for example.
Frattesi from other hand is pretty much in Barella's shoes. He made it early in a midtable team, and he has already had two solid seasons behind. He won't need so much time to adapt in Inzaghi's style.

 

[.h.]

But both of them cost us a little more than 20 mln, not 40.

Absolutely. I think there is a high risk about Scalvini, as he had just one good season, and he is still very young. He could be another Rugani or Obgonna for example.
Frattesi from other hand is pretty much in Barella's shoes. He made it early in a midtable team, and he has already had two solid seasons behind. He won't need so much time to adapt in Inzaghi's style.

yeah, but my point was just generally about paying for quality.

If you're spread thin - like we were a few years ago - 2x20m players is better for the squad than 1x40m player. But we're in a position where we really need to improve quality and squad depth - signing 4 Gags-level players or Scalvini+Frattesi, I know what I'd prefer tbh.

 

[IM21]