Serie A Calcio Mercato, Summer 2024-25

[OkiOki]

Looking at Juve outgoing transfers at Transfermarkt is crazy. They got 91M€ selling trash. We should learn how to do same.
Instead of having players like Klaasen, we should have someone young for that role. So maybe there would be someone who would think, "younger who played 500mins for Inter must have some potential" and we could sold him for few mils.

 

[brehme1989]

Looking at Juve outgoing transfers at Transfermarkt is crazy. They got 91M€ selling trash. We should learn how to do same.

So we need to associate ourselves with potentially illicit practices by potential money laundering crooks?

 

[.h.]

Looking at Juve outgoing transfers at Transfermarkt is crazy. They got 91M€ selling trash. We should learn how to do same.
Instead of having players like Klaasen, we should have someone young for that role. So maybe there would be someone who would think, "younger who played 500mins for Inter must have some potential" and we could sold him for few mils.

Well, we say that, but in reality all of their big money youth sales this season EXCEPT iling junior were out on loan last year... So the 500mins thing doesn't really hold any weight. It reinforced the importance of having youth who are capable of playing at the Aerie A level, which most of ours haven't yet.

The other thing to consider, to the point I keep reinforcing... Every single one of those Juve youth sales played for the U23 team, then went out on loan to a Serie A side, and now represent significant sales

U23 to develop in Serie C, then push the best to Serie A. Been saying it for years, and we need to be quite ruthless about that too.

 

[OkiOki]

True to that aout loans.
Even tho, I still count Kean as one of that players, since he is still yungish despite the fact he changed already few clubs. Also Soule played some minutes in Juven year before loan. They give more chances to their yungesters then we do.
Agree with you about U23, Milan also made U23 team this year. We need one too.

I bet we could simply use some yungester to play Klaasen role, even if we dont sell him after, still would be cheaper option than Klaasen, and in tearms of quality doubt there would be big diff..

 

[.h.]

True to that aout loans.
Even tho, I still count Kean as one of that players, since he is still yungish despite the fact he changed already few clubs. Also Soule played some minutes in Juven year before loan. They give more chances to their yungesters then we do.
Agree with you about U23, Milan also made U23 team this year. We need one too.

I bet we could simply use some yungester to play Klaasen role, even if we dont sell him after, still would be cheaper option than Klaasen, and in tearms of quality doubt there would be big diff..

I dont really count Kean in that myself, he's kinda trading on the back of one ok season at PSG for his entire career so far. and he's an established name


To your example there about Klaassen minutes, or even Klaassen + Sensi minutes, he played a total of 352 minutes for Inter last year, and Sensi played a total of 80

432 minutes in a season is just not enough for a kid to develop, and our midfield now has more strength with Zielienski. I personally would rather they get 1500-2000 minutes of Serie B out on loan, then play 432 minutes for us

(This is obviously where the U23 team makes such a big difference, they can play 4/5 weeks non-stop, then come up to the first team for 2 or 3 matches, then go back down as required)

in terms of quality, lets not forget that Klaassen was part of the Ajax team we beat in the NextGen final, and the Inter team contained players like Crisetig, Bessa, Duncan - maybe, but I'd argue probably not, Duncan would have been somewhat useful for the first team, but he was 17 turning 18 that season, didnt play for any first team for another 2 seasons, and when he did it was in Serie B.


I do think we have a tendency to underestimate the gap between Primavera and first team, or overestimate the skill gap between an 18 year old who has only ever played against kids vs a 20/21 year old who has a couple of years of first team experience (which to tie it all back, is why I think the U23 is so so critical)

Your point around Juve giving more chances is exactly why I think the U23 is critical. Right now, in July/August, Inter has to look at the squad and work out which youth will get more game time on loan, and which will get a reasonable chance in the first team for the year. Even our best players, like Esposito, Zanotti, etc, are probably better off developing on loan than being on the bench. Of course youknow where this will go.. U23!

 

[vex]

Only thing we have to learn and improve is selling these younger players sooner. I think our mentality is often oh let's keep them, loaned them and see how it goes, but in reality cases like di marco are extremely rare. When you keep them for too long, instead of selling them quickly, we are just destroying their price on a certain level.

Imo not a lot of criticism is directed towards our mgmt regarding those things, even on this forum, coz people just love the feelling of hoarding these players and "giving them a chance" by not selling them when in reality we probably lost millions over the last few years with those practices. We simply use loan option too much.

 

[OkiOki]

Most of the clubs doesn't like idea of developing players that they cant profit on. (Thats why most of talented players today are actually sold with buy back option). Thats the problem with loaning out players, you never know, how much they will play.

For example Klaassen played totaly 475mins in Inter, Agoume played 781 min in Sevilla. We could just keep Agoume and give him Klaassen plus some extra minutes. Maybe there would be someone willing to buy him couse that minutes in Inter, just maybe. We got nothing giving that minutes to Klaassen. He just left for free and we spent 2M€ on his salary.

As I sad I agree with U23, U23 is greate tool for this, you have space for developing players and giving him enough playing time + you can give him 1st team time. Sooner or later, we will have to make it.

 

[.h.]

Only thing we have to learn and improve is selling these younger players sooner. I think our mentality is often oh let's keep them, loaned them and see how it goes, but in reality cases like di marco are extremely rare. When you keep them for too long, instead of selling them quickly, we are just destroying their price on a certain level.

Imo not a lot of criticism is directed towards our mgmt regarding those things, even on this forum, coz people just love the feelling of hoarding these players and "giving them a chance" by not selling them when in reality we probably lost millions over the last few years with those practices. We simply use loan option too much.

yeah

i mean satriano 20mil like 2 years ago? now like 6?

 

[vex]

yeah

i mean satriano 20mil like 2 years ago? now like 6?

And many such cases. I remember esposito hype was huge, agoume should have been sold after first year imo, he was a captain of france youth team we could have got much more than we did this summer. Casadei is a good example of how we should do it.
I guarantee if we had taken him on all sorts of loans like we do with most of these players, he would have been sold somewhere for 5 mils max.

I know hindsight is a bitch, and It's easy to talk after it, but we should just look statistically how many of these players over the years actually become inter worthy material, gather some balls and act accordingly. Even if we lost one or two true talents, which again if you look at statistics is not that likely to happen, it would have been worth it.

 

[PHM1605]

yeah

i mean satriano 20mil like 2 years ago? now like 6?

That's only what we wanted, similar to Cairo wanted 100m for Belotti. There was no real offers.

We sell him now for 6m is already peak exceeding my imagination. He doesn't have anything special.

 

[.h.]

And many such cases. I remember esposito hype was huge, agoume should have been sold after first year imo, he was a captain of france youth team we could have got much more than we did this summer. Casadei is a good example of how we should do it.
I guarantee if we had taken him on all sorts of loans like we do with most of these players, he would have been sold somewhere for 5 mils max.

I know hindsight is a bitch, and It's easy to talk after it, but we should just look statistically how many of these players over the years actually become inter worthy material, gather some balls and act accordingly. Even if we lost one or two true talents, which again if you look at statistics is not that likely to happen, it would have been worth it.

to be fair, we would have been crazy to sell esposito after his first season at Inter. We should have sold him after the 2nd year of failed loans imho

if we're taking the approach of selling at a decent value when they break through early, we'll miss out on the chance to develop people like Fabbian for example, unless we're insisting on counter-options of course

I personally dont mind being a bit risk-adverse and keeping lesser talents to try to make sure we break through the one or two real talents we do have, though

 

[Jnr]

Well, we say that, but in reality all of their big money youth sales this season EXCEPT iling junior were out on loan last year... So the 500mins thing doesn't really hold any weight. It reinforced the importance of having youth who are capable of playing at the Aerie A level, which most of ours haven't yet.

The other thing to consider, to the point I keep reinforcing... Every single one of those Juve youth sales played for the U23 team, then went out on loan to a Serie A side, and now represent significant sales

U23 to develop in Serie C, then push the best to Serie A. Been saying it for years, and we need to be quite ruthless about that too.

100%. We need to have U23 Serie C team next summer. Juve and Atalanta are so far ahead, now Milan created it too.

Motta & Giuntoli are integrating / selling youth pretty decently too. They will pick the more better for themselves and sell the guys with ? marks for still good amount. All these sales have financed WC players like Luiz and Koop .

We have an aging and expensive squad and something needs to change in the coming years otherwise we will struggle.

 

[Bluenine]

The difference is the U23 team, and Inter need one asap. But its an investment, Suning could not afford it and I'm not sure to what extent Oaktree are interested in investing into Inter

Juventus got a lot of strategic things right in the last decade or so, the own stadium & the U23 team being the two main ones. And now, with Giuntoli at helm, they are getting a lot of sporting decisions spot on, starting with the signing of Motta. Giuntoli is starting to look more & more like the next Marotta

When Motta & Conte took over their new roles, it looked like Juventus & Napoli will be our main competition this season. So far I have seen nothing to change that feeling. I will wait till the end of the window to do a full analysis of the mercato

 

[junior55]

And many such cases. I remember esposito hype was huge, agoume should have been sold after first year imo, he was a captain of france youth team we could have got much more than we did this summer. Casadei is a good example of how we should do it.
I guarantee if we had taken him on all sorts of loans like we do with most of these players, he would have been sold somewhere for 5 mils max.

I know hindsight is a bitch, and It's easy to talk after it, but we should just look statistically how many of these players over the years actually become inter worthy material, gather some balls and act accordingly. Even if we lost one or two true talents, which again if you look at statistics is not that likely to happen, it would have been worth it.

You're assuming we don't but actually we do.
Casadei is a good example because he is the only one we got such offers for and we sold. Trust me if we got a 10M+ offer for Agoume at his primavera time he would have been sold as well.
The only exception from that was Carboni where we had big offers but refused to sell and unfortunately Carboni is also one of the players we can't develop ourselves with the current manager/system so keen to see how that story evolves

Esposito was a huge talent not just hype and not selling him was a good decision. But there is no math with youth , he didn't develop as per the talent he has. His brother is also a high potential striker that we shouldn't sell because he is the type of striker that matures later in life

 

[.h.]

The difference is the U23 team, and Inter need one asap. But its an investment, Suning could not afford it and I'm not sure to what extent Oaktree are interested in investing into Inter

Juventus got a lot of strategic things right in the last decade or so, the own stadium & the U23 team being the two main ones. And now, with Giuntoli at helm, they are getting a lot of sporting decisions spot on, starting with the signing of Motta. Giuntoli is starting to look more & more like the next Marotta

When Motta & Conte took over their new roles, it looked like Juventus & Napoli will be our main competition this season. So far I have seen nothing to change that feeling. I will wait till the end of the window to do a full analysis of the mercato

I hope/believe with profitability this year, Marotta probably has the discretionary spend to be able to set it up. Even if its 5, 10m a year, that will pay for itself really quickly.

 

[vex]

Trust me if we got a 10M+ offer for Agoume at his primavera time he would have been sold as well.

I don't agree with this, I think we refused a lot of good offers for our younger players over the years, maybe not massive ones, but solid ones that would have accumulated a lot of money if we sold the players on time. And the reason for that is we think like this:

Esposito was a huge talent not just hype and not selling him was a good decision. But there is no math with youth , he didn't develop as per the talent he has. His brother is also a high potential striker that we shouldn't sell because he is the type of striker that matures later in life

I could write you a couple of sentences like this for every youth player that played for inter in the last several years and find you a reason why not to sell.

There is youth math, it's clear as a day and I already mentioned it:

but we should just look statistically how many of these players over the years actually become inter worthy material

 

[Corrode]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1828729697745690981

https://twitter.com/x/status/1828804886575624340

https://twitter.com/x/status/1828834077564182598

 

[IM21]

That deal was such a scam from the start.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1828716834108973362

 

[.h.]

That deal was such a scam from the start.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1828716834108973362

its no different to pjanic/arthur BS. both teams needed plusvalenza to keep their heads afloat, thats exactly what they got

 

[Il Drago]

its no different to pjanic/arthur BS. both teams needed plusvalenza to keep their heads afloat, thats exactly what they got

It's incredible no matter how many times they get caught they never learn. They just continue their shady tactics. Business as usual.