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Has anyone tried any of those DNA services? Was thinking maybe a fun present for my parents and wife’s parents
 

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Has anyone tried any of those DNA services? Was thinking maybe a fun present for my parents and wife’s parents

Did one cause I got a massive discount for it, but it doesn't tell you much lol. If you're white or black it just tells you "99% European" or "99% African". If you're hispanic you can just look up someone else's makeup online. Usually it's just European/Native American mixture. There are some quirky stuff, like your genetic probability for dimples, dandruff, etc... The only useful info is there are some genetic markers for diseases and stuff like that, but not sure how much of a present that is :D

You can still try it for fun but it won't be very useful, mostly because they get stuff wrong too. And it takes at least ~1 month before process is over.
 

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Did one cause I got a massive discount for it, but it doesn't tell you much lol. If you're white or black it just tells you "99% European" or "99% African". If you're hispanic you can just look up someone else's makeup online. Usually it's just European/Native American mixture. There are some quirky stuff, like your genetic probability for dimples, dandruff, etc... The only useful info is there are some genetic markers for diseases and stuff like that, but not sure how much of a present that is :D

You can still try it for fun but it won't be very useful, mostly because they get stuff wrong too. And it takes at least ~1 month before process is over.

My sister ordered one (for some reason) and got 70% Italian and 30% ambiguous nonsense. I guess she confirmed she wasn't adopted.
 

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I ordered one just to show my british lady that my heritage was 4000 years at least in balkans

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There are several of those and they all have varying results, in the sense that some are extremely vague, some are detiailed, some are just silly telling you that you are x% from said location just because a bunch of people from there share a common ancestry or whatever, ignoring that their presence is relatively new in the region etc.

Always felt intrigued to get one but never researched which one is the best or at least shows the more useful data.
 

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Has anyone tried any of those DNA services? Was thinking maybe a fun present for my parents and wife’s parents

Went down the rabbit hole on their accuracy some years ago their quite poor. Heres a link that explains it: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-accurate-are-online-dna-tests/

From the link:
When it comes to ancestry, DNA is very good at determining close family relations such as siblings or parents, and dozens of stories are emerging that reunite or identify lost close family members (or indeed criminals). For deeper family roots, these tests do not really tell you where your ancestors came from. They say where DNA like yours can be found on Earth today. By inference, we are to assume that significant proportions of our deep family came from those places. But to say that you are 20 percent Irish, 4 percent Native American or 12 percent Scandinavian is fun, trivial and has very little scientific meaning. We all have thousands of ancestors, and our family trees become matted webs as we go back in time, which means that before long, our ancestors become everyone’s ancestors. Humankind is fascinatingly closely related, and DNA will tell you little about your culture, history and identity.

Also if anybody wants to know where their ancestors really come from i ll do it for just 2 bucks (answer is africa for everybody).

It s a fun gimmick and something to talk about but the accuracy is highly questionable...
 

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Also if anybody wants to know where their ancestors really come from i ll do it for just 2 bucks (answer is africa for everybody).

It actually might not be.

http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2...rica-sheds-light-behavior-early-homo-sapiens/

https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/evolution-europe?rebelltitem=1#rebelltitem1

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ina-homo-erectus-sapiens-latest-a8064306.html

There's no way of knowing. I honestly do not trust these fossil dating stuff and even so, the data is extremely limited to extrapolate on a definitive answer. Even if they have the right methodology, there's still a long way to go in finding actual evidence to come to an infallible conclusion.
 

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It actually might not be.

http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2...rica-sheds-light-behavior-early-homo-sapiens/

https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/evolution-europe?rebelltitem=1#rebelltitem1

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ina-homo-erectus-sapiens-latest-a8064306.html

There's no way of knowing. I honestly do not trust these fossil dating stuff and even so, the data is extremely limited to extrapolate on a definitive answer. Even if they have the right methodology, there's still a long way to go in finding actual evidence to come to an infallible conclusion.
OK so while it might not be accurate it sure as hell is not less accurate than what ever ancestry sells to people
 

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Hahaha sure, but I just cringe when I see that mentioned as fact when there's no way of knowing really. Every little bone found somewhere and everyone pretends that history has changed.
 

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Paternal haplogroup can tell you alot tbh, ancestry composition as in which country you are from however is next to useless.

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this is the supreme haplogroup btw :slick:
 

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Feels like Greek leftovers :lol:

:epicwin:



Where is that test from? Looks decent enough. But from my older research on this, I thought that these tests only could find the maternal haplogroup or something.
 

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Feels like Greek leftovers :lol:

:epicwin:



Where is that test from? Looks decent enough. But from my older research on this, I thought that these tests only could find the maternal haplogroup or something.

genetically we are quite similar, especially southern greece (my best matched region was penepolese :lol)

Its 23andme, they do quite alot of things, the distribution of recent ancestry is largely bs id say, but yeah paternal haplogroup comes with it (given you are a man, women dont inherit apperently the paternal dna)
 

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This stuff is great for medical purposes, for anything else... Let's just say it's fitting it's being discussed in the bullshit thread.

It's great stuff if you want to know if you have inherited a single gene or if you may pass it on to your future children.

But over the hundreds of millennia we have mixed ourselves to the point it's retarded to even assume anything else than that.

What we call races is actually just inbreeding , which is what humans have been doing in dogs to replicate the exact same characteristics, which is useful if you want a dog for your children and you want to be sure it will be a funny and stupidly tame dog (golden retriever), or great at finding rabbits' lairs (jack Russell), with incredible stamina and high tolerance for cold climates (husky), etc.

And "purebred" dogs often have the same issues over the generations, like German shepherds' hip dysplasia. Because they are, you guessed it, inbred.
 

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genetically we are quite similar, especially southern greece (my best matched region was penepolese :lol)

Its 23andme, they do quite alot of things, the distribution of recent ancestry is largely bs id say, but yeah paternal haplogroup comes with it (given you are a man, women dont inherit apperently the paternal dna)

Yeah 23andme was the most popular one when I was looking into these.
 

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Yeah 23andme was the most popular one when I was looking into these.

it seems to be the most popular because its very interactive. Like, my colleagues at uni used to call me a caveman, turns out i have pretty high levels of neandarthal in me :lol:, like top decile. Cave gang. Which leads me to the next argument about "purebred"

This stuff is great for medical purposes, for anything else... Let's just say it's fitting it's being discussed in the bullshit thread.

It's great stuff if you want to know if you have inherited a single gene or if you may pass it on to your future children.

But over the hundreds of millennia we have mixed ourselves to the point it's retarded to even assume anything else than that.

What we call races is actually just inbreeding , which is what humans have been doing in dogs to replicate the exact same characteristics, which is useful if you want a dog for your children and you want to be sure it will be a funny and stupidly tame dog (golden retriever), or great at finding rabbits' lairs (jack Russell), with incredible stamina and high tolerance for cold climates (husky), etc.

And "purebred" dogs often have the same issues over the generations, like German shepherds' hip dysplasia. Because they are, you guessed it, inbred.


I mean I agree with your sentiment, but being a certain "race" doesn't mean inbred. Like take asian for example, there's like a few billion asians, chances of being inbred are zero to none. With that being said there is no no such thing as a "purebred", asian "race" is diverse in itself as are other races, you are never a purebred even if you are from alabama
 

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My point is, some people believe that from these tests they can infer certain characteristics, which can in fact only be inferred after multiple generations of inbreeding, with known consequences (see dogs).

For most of our traits, knowing your parents and your grandparents (personality and physically wise) or looking at yourself in the mirror will give you better results, for free.

So, imho, if you do it for medical reasons, or just for fun I guess, it makes sense. Otherwise, it's a rip-off.
 

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Well, I don't think there's much else use other than 'useless trivia'. And that can be very fun :D
 

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My point is, some people believe that from these tests they can infer certain characteristics, which can in fact only be inferred after multiple generations of inbreeding, with known consequences (see dogs).

For most of our traits, knowing your parents and your grandparents (personality and physically wise) or looking at yourself in the mirror will give you better results, for free.

So, imho, if you do it for medical reasons, or just for fun I guess, it makes sense. Otherwise, it's a rip-off.

I mean, it cost 100 pounds but i proved to my girl i was right, so yeah, worth every penny.
 

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Paternal haplogroup can tell you alot tbh, ancestry composition as in which country you are from however is next to useless.

this is the supreme haplogroup btw :slick:

Paternal haplogroup is a marker on 1 of the 23 chromosomes (sex chromosome). It's basically like 0.01% of your DNA :D Ancestry composition is 22/23 other chromosomes (autosomal) which is the "rest of your DNA" but dating is quite bad (only 200 years back).

If you want a proper DNA test, you need to spend thousands of dollars and have multiple scientists/archeologists looking at it :D
 

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Paternal haplogroup is a marker on 1 of the 23 chromosomes (sex chromosome). It's basically like 0.01% of your DNA :D Ancestry composition is 22/23 other chromosomes (autosomal) which is the "rest of your DNA" but dating is quite bad (only 200 years back).

If you want a proper DNA test, you need to spend thousands of dollars and have multiple scientists/archeologists looking at it :D

te shqiptart kqyret fara, jo ara :p so yeah, paternal line is what matters.
 
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