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But thats exactly my point........ Talk about Kanye as a music producer or artist as thats what he s good at, but why the fuck would you bring him on to talk politics? Also if he s fans would have turned on him a bit earlir and stoped buying Ye s when it became obvious he s a complete asshole/moron maybe he would not have been gone that much off the rails....... But no he was a genius....

Same goes for elon remember Trumps we gotta protect our geniuses? That was directed at Musk and was when trump saved his ass...
One does not have to be a genius to be looked at one and Musk is the obvious prove of that. Says vile dumb shit all the time and half the population thinks he s the next fucken nikola Tesla....

I m not saying deplatform them but if idiots would stop reading or turn off the TV when these two idiots come on to talk politics instead of listening to them and then go apeshit one way or another we would be way better of.

Like who is surprised that kanye or elon are vile assholes that think to highly of them selfes? really should be nobody
The fact of the matter is that almost everyone is political, and while some celebrities choose not to let their views be known in order to not jeopardize their payday, we cannot expect people to not talk about their opinions.

Yeah celebrity worship sucks but there isn't much we can do about it without infringing freedom of speech, which is not worth it.
 

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The fact of the matter is that almost everyone is political, and while some celebrities choose not to let their views be known in order to not jeopardize their payday, we cannot expect people to not talk about their opinions.

Yeah celebrity worship sucks but there isn't much we can do about it without infringing freedom of speech, which is not worth it.
Again i agree the part i dont understand is why the fuck anyone would listen to what kanye thinks politically or what any actor/famous person thinks politically why the fuck should that influence the average joe?

Like the kanye shit i only heard/saw because the internet went nuts about it and i could not believe that anyone would be dumb enough to say i m a hitler fan in 2022 so i had to check........

Like should not only alex jones fans hear this shit? and would we not then all be in a saner place....
Why give airtime to this? I m sure nobody i interact with watched this shit on infowars...
So somebody in the mainstream amplified it cause they wanted the clicks/money. Instead of letting it be and only giving the tiny alex jones audience the exposure to ye s BS.

It s not about free speech everybody can say what ever they want to does not mean i have to listen to it and even less so mean i need to amplify it.
 

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Again i agree the part i dont understand is why the fuck anyone would listen to what kanye thinks politically or what any actor/famous person thinks politically why the fuck should that influence the average joe?

Like the kanye shit i only heard/saw because the internet went nuts about it and i could not believe that anyone would be dumb enough to say i m a hitler fan in 2022 so i had to check........

Like should not only alex jones fans hear this shit? and would we not then all be in a saner place....
Why give airtime to this? I m sure nobody i interact with watched this shit on infowars...
So somebody in the mainstream amplified it cause they wanted the clicks/money. Instead of letting it be and only giving the tiny alex jones audience the exposure to ye s BS.

It s not about free speech everybody can say what ever they want to does not mean i have to listen to it and even less so mean i need to amplify it.
I mean, a lot of people wouldn't care about the political opinions of celebrities, but many on the other hand do. It's not that hard to understand: the creation of Hollywood, followed by the century of marketing & advertisement, followed by the availability of mass media, followed by technological progress that first put a TV in every household, then the internet, then smartphones etc. all culminated in this. Celebrities are king. There's no point of questioning it, people will worship celebrities until they're disillusioned with them, which is also slowly happening. There's no battling human nature, we'll just have to wait it out.

On your other point: it'd be terrible if only Alex Jones fans listened to Alex Jones, and only X fans listened to X etc., and these things were never discussed in mainstream media. That would only create more echo chambers and further entrench our deeply divided democratic societies.
 

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I mean, a lot of people wouldn't care about the political opinions of celebrities, but many on the other hand do. It's not that hard to understand: the creation of Hollywood, followed by the century of marketing & advertisement, followed by the availability of mass media, followed by technological progress that first put a TV in every household, then the internet, then smartphones etc. all culminated in this. Celebrities are king. There's no point of questioning it, people will worship celebrities until they're disillusioned with them, which is also slowly happening. There's no battling human nature, we'll just have to wait it out.

On your other point: it'd be terrible if only Alex Jones fans listened to Alex Jones, and only X fans listened to X etc., and these things were never discussed in mainstream media. That would only create more echo chambers and further entrench our deeply divided democratic societies.
Yeah it s human nature but we re fucken amplifying it just to make a few quick extra bucks. Why does any newspaper in switzerland have to print what fucken YE said in a fringe right wing US podcast? Makes 0 sense. It s not vital information for anybody and it wont affect any bodys life.
It s an alex jones podcast ofcourse racist vile shit is gonna be said why amplify it?
Let those who watch it watch it and when they open their mouth outside the bubble lets fucken set em straight.
 

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Again i agree the part i dont understand is why the fuck anyone would listen to what kanye thinks politically or what any actor/famous person thinks politically why the fuck should that influence the average joe?

Like the kanye shit i only heard/saw because the internet went nuts about it and i could not believe that anyone would be dumb enough to say i m a hitler fan in 2022 so i had to check........

Like should not only alex jones fans hear this shit? and would we not then all be in a saner place....
Why give airtime to this? I m sure nobody i interact with watched this shit on infowars...
So somebody in the mainstream amplified it cause they wanted the clicks/money. Instead of letting it be and only giving the tiny alex jones audience the exposure to ye s BS.

It s not about free speech everybody can say what ever they want to does not mean i have to listen to it and even less so mean i need to amplify it.
Ricky Gervais golden globe speech is hilarious. He was hosting, told all the actors to come up and lift their awards only. Don't try get political because you are all put of touch as fuck and support pedos and perverts like Harvey weinstein. Said if isis had a streaming service they'd be working for them. Lol its hilarious. Check it out
 

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Ricky Gervais golden globe speech is hilarious. He was hosting, told all the actors to come up and lift their awards only. Don't try get political because you are all put of touch as fuck and support pedos and perverts like Harvey weinstein. Said if isis had a streaming service they'd be working for them. Lol its hilarious. Check it out
Yeah i saw that fucken hilarious
 

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Yeah it s human nature but we re fucken amplifying it just to make a few quick extra bucks. Why does any newspaper in switzerland have to print what fucken YE said in a fringe right wing US podcast? Makes 0 sense. It s not vital information for anybody and it wont affect any bodys life.
It s an alex jones podcast ofcourse racist vile shit is gonna be said why amplify it?
Let those who watch it watch it and when they open their mouth outside the bubble lets fucken set em straight.
They don't directly do it for the money, they do it because it's news, or rather, entertainment. It's so funny in isolation. It also kind of affects lives, in that many people will now approach Kanye differently, i.e. he'll rightfully become a pariah. It's social machinery really.

Nobody needs to amplify it. An ultra famous black rapper praised Hitler. There's no way that piece of news doesn't make waves around the world, if only for its absurdity. The question is: where's the harm in that? Now you might rightfully think that some other racist people will take power and encouragement from this and become more overtly racist. I'd say those people are already racist and the correct way of battling racism is not through telling them to shut up but to educate them. So if this creates a discussion through which some racists may be educated, I'm all for it. Moreover, it helps us show people in positions of power how quickly they'll be ostracized should they say vile racist bullshit.

Also, Alex Jones is about to lose his platform due to fraud anyway. He lost most of it when he though Columbine was a hoax and went and interviewed those poor people. He's facing time in prison due to hiding his finances a-la-Juventus AFAIK.
 

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They don't directly do it for the money, they do it because it's news, or rather, entertainment. It's so funny in isolation. It also kind of affects lives, in that many people will now approach Kanye differently, i.e. he'll rightfully become a pariah. It's social machinery really.

Nobody needs to amplify it. An ultra famous black rapper praised Hitler. There's no way that piece of news doesn't make waves around the world, if only for its absurdity. The question is: where's the harm in that? Now you might rightfully think that some other racist people will take power and encouragement from this and become more overtly racist. I'd say those people are already racist and the correct way of battling racism is not through telling them to shut up but to educate them. So if this creates a discussion through which some racists may be educated, I'm all for it. Moreover, it helps us show people in positions of power how quickly they'll be ostracized should they say vile racist bullshit.

Also, Alex Jones is about to lose his platform due to fraud anyway. He lost most of it when he though Columbine was a hoax and went and interviewed those poor people. He's facing time in prison due to hiding his finances a-la-Juventus AFAIK.
I mean they do it for the clicks ie money there is no journo in this world who would love to write an article about kanye being on alex jones......Like thats not why people go into journalism....
While your right that most racists are already there but seeing YE declare he s a hitler fan definitely emboldens them. Look how much hate speech surged on twiter since Elon took over(and yes elons a racist too). Also look how many people came forward with the opinion i dont think kanye is a racist?
Like what the hitler fan is not racists really?
I m not even saying dont report on it but the report sould be Kanye is a racist period. Too many try to explain his thinking and shit get the fuck out of here he s insane and a racist thats all we need to know about kanye.
 

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I mean they do it for the clicks ie money there is no journo in this world who would love to write an article about kanye being on alex jones......Like thats not why people go into journalism....
While your right that most racists are already there but seeing YE declare he s a hitler fan definitely emboldens them. Look how much hate speech surged on twiter since Elon took over(and yes elons a racist too). Also look how many people came forward with the opinion i dont think kanye is a racist?
Like what the hitler fan is not racists really?
I m not even saying dont report on it but the report sould be Kanye is a racist period. Too many try to explain his thinking and shit get the fuck out of here he s insane and a racist thats all we need to know about kanye.
Look man, if no journalist mentioned it, this would somehow make its way around the world because of social media. It's so outrageous and hilarious that there's no way people don't talk about it.

I think silent racists are more dangerous than outspoken ones. We cannot be done with it without talking about it. If a kid is raised in a racist family he's very likely to be racist as well, but hot topics like these can convert at least a few of them.
 

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Has he even said anything other than naming (((them)))?

I listened to the whole lex friedman podcast and thought it was hilarious. Lex has no spine so it was funny seeing him get really offended when kanye said he doesn't trust him.
You know what, I'll have to disagree with the spine comment. Usually he doesn't have the spine to counter his guests, but he really put Kanye down in his place (when Kanye kept mentioning jews and how he hated them), until Kanye started being an idiot again later in the podcast
 

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Lol he didn't do anything other than say

"You're hurting me"
"Name the people not the group"
"I'm hurt you don't trust me"

And in typical fashion brought up the holocaust a few times

He didn't put him down in any way.
 

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Hi guys,

Don't know where to ask our Italian members this so I just put it here:

I want to go Bari-Cosenza on 12th of February. (Bari because of FM and Cosenza because of a book I've read about Italian Ultras.

There is no direct flight from Holland to Bari so I have to go through Rome or Napels but then I would have to take a flight to Bari and wait for 4-6 hours on the airport or go by train which takes also 4/5 hours. Isn't there a easy way to travel to Puglia? I will only go for 4 days (2 days travel and 2 days in Bari) so I've the travelling cost me 2 full days then it's not worth it.
 

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Hi guys,

Don't know where to ask our Italian members this so I just put it here:

I want to go Bari-Cosenza on 12th of February. (Bari because of FM and Cosenza because of a book I've read about Italian Ultras.

There is no direct flight from Holland to Bari so I have to go through Rome or Napels but then I would have to take a flight to Bari and wait for 4-6 hours on the airport or go by train which takes also 4/5 hours. Isn't there a easy way to travel to Puglia? I will only go for 4 days (2 days travel and 2 days in Bari) so I've the travelling cost me 2 full days then it's not worth it.
Transavia has direct flights from Amsterdam to Bari
 

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Transavia has direct flights from Amsterdam to Bari
Ah I missed that. But it's only on Sunday and Thursday. I'm looking for flight on Saturday till Tuesday because I have to be back on Wednesday. But thanks for the heads up!
 

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Ah I missed that. But it's only on Sunday and Thursday. I'm looking for flight on Saturday till Tuesday because I have to be back on Wednesday. But thanks for the heads up!
You could check if you can fly to brindisi and than take a train or a car for the 1h 20/30 min trip to bari. Not sure if you have more luck with direct flights though..
Especially in winter
 

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Hi guys,

Don't know where to ask our Italian members this so I just put it here:

I want to go Bari-Cosenza on 12th of February. (Bari because of FM and Cosenza because of a book I've read about Italian Ultras.

There is no direct flight from Holland to Bari so I have to go through Rome or Napels but then I would have to take a flight to Bari and wait for 4-6 hours on the airport or go by train which takes also 4/5 hours. Isn't there a easy way to travel to Puglia? I will only go for 4 days (2 days travel and 2 days in Bari) so I've the travelling cost me 2 full days then it's not worth it.

I like this idea, Matrix. Sounds like a good trip away and an excuse to check out Bari. I remember taking Pergocrema (before bankruptcy) to the CL in an old FM game and still want to check out the Voltini.
 
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Ah I missed that. But it's only on Sunday and Thursday. I'm looking for flight on Saturday till Tuesday because I have to be back on Wednesday. But thanks for the heads up!
You can do a connection flight domestically if needed. Bari has frequent flights.
 

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Fucking Airlines man so i got a flight from zurich to mumbai on the 25th i booked the 2.5x more expensive flight cose it was direct and it allowed me to spend christmass with my family and be at my buddies wedding at the right time due to a very tight shedule this flight was the only one that I could do both of these things. Now today at 7PM i get an SMS saying my flight from zurich is cancelled I m reebooked to fly over London i got a 8h lay over and will be very fucken late for the wedding. Could have had that for half the price with like a 2h layover.....
Fucking airlines get away with everything.....
Now ofcourse i m in the shit cause have to change half the trip on short notice over fucken christmass....
 

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Fucking Airlines man so i got a flight from zurich to mumbai on the 25th i booked the 2.5x more expensive flight cose it was direct and it allowed me to spend christmass with my family and be at my buddies wedding at the right time due to a very tight shedule this flight was the only one that I could do both of these things. Now today at 7PM i get an SMS saying my flight from zurich is cancelled I m reebooked to fly over London i got a 8h lay over and will be very fucken late for the wedding. Could have had that for half the price with like a 2h layover.....
Fucking airlines get away with everything.....
Now ofcourse i m in the shit cause have to change half the trip on short notice over fucken christmass....

Tell them u could have booked that cheaper from the beginning, maybe they can put you on other flight or airline direct or they can give u like free miles or give u can upgrade, nothing to lose if u try but obviously ur schedule is more important in this case.
 

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Human Trafficker and overall Internet scumbag Andrew Tate finally arrested

Hoping for a prison sentence of at least 5 years, don't give this creep bail
 
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