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From vids he looks like a more physical version of basto. Obviously nowhere near the quality currently but that's the style of defender he seems to be.
 

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Here's your new club vision under Oaktree. Enjoy.

I recently endorsed an approach that leaned on heavily scouting the Brazilian and Argentine markets again, so I have no problem if Oaktree is actually endorsing an approach like this too. Lots of talent to be found there. I'll just hope we get the right guys from there.

I worry less about the potential and more about if Inzaghi will play him.

A different matter but a notable concern. I don't expect Inzaghi to flip a 180 immediately but it would be preferable if he could find more playing time opportunities for the younger players. Wholesale cultural change required across Italy to make this one happen.
 

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As I wrote yesterday, think he is a great pick. I can get behind going for someone younger when it's this type of position in question. Basically bastoni substitute plus if he needs more time to adapt we have carlos who can play that position great as well, so very little risk involved imo.

Di marzio reporting the deal isn't that simple, so hopefully everything ends up ok.
 

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I recently endorsed an approach that leaned on heavily scouting the Brazilian and Argentine markets again, so I have no problem if Oaktree is actually endorsing an approach like this too. Lots of talent to be found there. I'll just hope we get the right guys from there.



A different matter but a notable concern. I don't expect Inzaghi to flip a 180 immediately but it would be preferable if he could find more playing time opportunities for the younger players. Wholesale cultural change required across Italy to make this one happen.

You're not going to be successful over the long run if your transfer budget is limited to 5M punts on kids from South America. I'm not trying to be hyperbolic, but I'm worried Oaktree is going to tie Marotta's hands behind his back and force us to throw low-priced darts.
 

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You're not going to be successful over the long run if your transfer budget is limited to 5M punts on kids from South America. I'm not trying to be hyperbolic, but I'm worried Oaktree is going to tie Marotta's hands behind his back and force us to throw low-priced darts.

I'll quote something I wrote yesterday from a different correspondence:

I have some real concerns about the team heading into this season [...] but as I've written in the forum, I do have concerns just about how Oaktree sees their apparent philosophy. That they want to bring some more youth development into the club but I'm not convinced at all that they know how to actually do it in a way that has a chance for success.

Your concerns are shared by me as far whether Oaktree actually knows how to make this kind of strategy successful.
 

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I recently endorsed an approach that leaned on heavily scouting the Brazilian and Argentine markets again, so I have no problem if Oaktree is actually endorsing an approach like this too. Lots of talent to be found there. I'll just hope we get the right guys from there.



A different matter but a notable concern. I don't expect Inzaghi to flip a 180 immediately but it would be preferable if he could find more playing time opportunities for the younger players. Wholesale cultural change required across Italy to make this one happen.
Remember Botta and Gabigol?
 

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Remember Botta and Gabigol?
Might surprise you that Botta was a good deal. We got a nice 3.7m profit on him.

Gabriel was in another category. Super expensive after missing out our true target, the other Gabriel. Palacios type of deals are relatively cheap, comparable to e.g. Alvarez, but he might turn into another Thiago Silva, who knows. As his salary is cheap in the worst case we should be able to return some millions back, not big of a loss.
 

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Remember Botta and Gabigol?

Gabigol played for Flamengo last night as a 1st half injury substitute in Libertadores and there was one sequence not long after he came on where he had a passing lane open to slip a 1v1 goal scoring opportunity and the motherfucker took it himself and killed the chance. All these years later and I still want to strangle him.

More relevant to the topic at hand - at least with these guys we know they get playing time with their parent clubs from a young age. Whether that would continue moving to Italy is a different question, but we know our academy guys basically can't buy an appearance if their ages still begin with a 1. So there's at least some development and dealing with the pressures of top flight football going on there.
 

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Biasin says we offered 6M. Talleres wants resale-% added. Given Talleres would get 4M from Independiente with their deal and then we'd pay something to Independiente, 6M sounds low.

Interesting prospect for sure. Starter for Independiente this season with 9 straight starts and 8 straight 90min games.
 

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You're not going to be successful over the long run if your transfer budget is limited to 5M punts on kids from South America. I'm not trying to be hyperbolic, but I'm worried Oaktree is going to tie Marotta's hands behind his back and force us to throw low-priced darts.

Let's not freak out just yet. We don't know for sure how long the age mandate will stay around. There will be a lot of time for Oaktree to learn about football business and for the management to reason with the ownership. As for this season, we've added enough older players with Taremi and Zielinski, it's not a bad idea to force in some younger ones.
 

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Might surprise you that Botta was a good deal. We got a nice 3.7m profit on him.

Gabriel was in another category. Super expensive after missing out our true target, the other Gabriel. Palacios type of deals are relatively cheap, comparable to e.g. Alvarez, but he might turn into another Thiago Silva, who knows. As his salary is cheap in the worst case we should be able to return some millions back, not big of a loss.
Well I am surprise for Botta, but I won't necessarily call that a good deal as it is an opportunity cost that we sacrifice to use those dollars to invest in a personnel to strengthen our team during the period we own him, but at least in return we get we had profit, which can be further invested in the squad.

However, this won't be the case for us, cause the profit maybe pocketed now, and as a fan, I care more of the team's competitive level.

I am not saying against the deal, but overall I think going hard on scouting S. America has a huge randomness in there, unless we are willing to get the top talents, which is going to cost a lot (see Real Madrid); the targets we might be able to bring over would probably be Botta, Ricky Alvarez.

On the accounting side, it might not look so bad as you pointed out, even if they don't work out for us, it can be profitable, and if it does we will be reward handsomely, regardless selling them or not; however, pitch performance will have to bear huge uncertainty.

With that all said, I think this is the only way to go, given our restrictions and circumstances, and hopefully with a well structured team and a consistent environment (same coach and management providing), we will be able to not destroy talents.

P.S. I actually like this dude so far from what I saw on youtube highlights, despite everything I said.
 
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