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We are never going to be very good. Soccer obviously is gaining popularity in the country(USA and Canada really) but football, basketball, and baseball will always be extremely superior. Kids are always going to be drawn to those sports because its what they're exposed to. US Soccer is no better today as a team than they were in the Donovan/Dempsey/Bradley era. The individual players play in much better teams in large part for marketing but when push comes to shove until we get a generational player kids want to follow we aren't going to ever see the US be any good. Pulisic is a good player but he is levels upon levels below the type of player needed to make kids want to play pro soccer over the NFL, NBA, MLB, and even NHL.
 

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We are never going to be very good. Soccer obviously is gaining popularity in the country(USA and Canada really) but football, basketball, and baseball will always be extremely superior. Kids are always going to be drawn to those sports because its what they're exposed to. US Soccer is no better today as a team than they were in the Donovan/Dempsey/Bradley era. The individual players play in much better teams in large part for marketing but when push comes to shove until we get a generational player kids want to follow we aren't going to ever see the US be any good. Pulisic is a good player but he is levels upon levels below the type of player needed to make kids want to play pro soccer over the NFL, NBA, MLB, and even NHL.
I say 94 US team was much better than today's team. 30 years, no progress.
 

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Doesn't it also have to do with the fact that football is incredibly expensive in America? I thought Zlatan said something about that when he was in America, that it cost a few thousand dollars for his sons to play football.

It also has to do with the training. In the Netherlands, a UEFA C training costs you around 240 hours and you are in a class with a maximum of 12 people and in America the same variant takes 80 hours and you are in a class with a maximum of 36 people. For UEFA B it will cost you around 330 hours with 12 people in a class. In America 120 hours with 24 people.

I don't want to say that more hours automatically means that it is a better course, etc., but it does say something that you can complete the course in America 3 times as quickly as in the Netherlands. This means that there are fewer well-trained coaches working in America. What I understand from acquaintances who are trainers in America is that even among youth, winning is more important than the development of players, so you never get well-trained players.

It is of course too bizarre for words that a country with so many inhabitants produces such mediocre footballers. You would say with the number of players and the number of immigrants who bring their own football culture, America could field 3 teams that would do well at a final tournament.
 

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I live in the US have kids. Soccer is insanely popular until 18. Then the league sucks and people go on to watch other sports. That being said when Euro teams come for friendlies they sell out stadiums. When ever I go see Colombia play in NYC it's fking insane. So the Soccer is #4/5 BS needs to stop.

Issue is US NT are a bunch of non Americans playing because they can't play for their real NTs. Same with Mexicans.

US Also thinks it is better than they are (Like Mexico) Because you smash random CONCACAF teams 10-0 all the time. You can send a U20 team to maul half the teams in your region. No South American team can do that without it backfiring badly on them. Argentina with Messi/Aguero/DI Maria lost 6-1 to BOLIVIA THAT FING SUCK !! and all their players are 5'5.

The league wants viewership so that it can compete with the EPL. That just not going to happen in the next 20 years.

Instead of bringing in Messi Buy every single U20/u23 stud in Colombia, Ecuador, Venezuela, Uruguay, Paraguay that hasn't made the move to Europe. MLS needs to be a championship/EPL feeder league like Brazil/Argentina are to Spain/Italy/Portugal

You need to kill the Mexican league. No top Prospect from South America or Latin America should pick Mexico over the MLS. Stop buying big name 30+ year olds. For the price of 1 you can get 4-5 prospects from the countries I mentioned above that will actually make the league better.

Now after you kill Mexican league go after Argentina/Brazil to make them your feeder leagues. Killing the Portuguese league, maybe the French league.

Keep all top US talent in the US unless you are going to start in Europe dont go. I remember the GK went to fking Man City haha why !!

Another easy route will be Going to Comenbol maybe missing out on a few world cups but having actual competition for Clubs and National teams. Only way MLS will get to the level it wants to be is if US(becomes EPL), Brazil becomes (Spain) and Argentina become the Italian leagues with Colombia/Mexico/Uruguay being Portugal/France
 

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Someone asked the question in a match thread during the USA/Colombia game about whether - from a fan's POV - would they prefer the USA remain in CONCACAF where they are currently the best team in the federation, or would they prefer to have a merger (of sorts) with CONMEBOL, where they unquestionably would move several spots down the ladder but at least would be in competitions that would challenge them, and not just challenge them in the Copa América itself but even for qualifying for competitions to begin with (World Cup qualifying would absolutely not be guaranteed for example).

If I was a USA supporter, the answer for me would be obvious. Winning the Gold Cup or whatever other tinpot CONCACAF competitions there are right now where the only real competition is a corrupt and decrepit Mexican team is a waste of everybody's time. You aren't getting any better this way because you're not being challenged at all. It's like literally everything in life, you get better when you're actually challenged into positions that force you to be better. (Either that or you get left behind for being inadequate; either/or.) The USA would get throttled playing Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Colombia (have to include them after this past Saturday), and quite likely even nations like Chile and Perú. Good. Smack some common sense into the federation and Americans in general so that we stop hearing about how "this time it's different, we've got actual European league players in our team" or whatever bullshit USA supporters are spoonfed. Three of the USA starters this weekend - Balogun, Cardozo, Dest - play for the United States because - as alluded to above - they aren't good enough to play for the national teams of the countries they actually grew up in (UK, Brazil, Netherlands). They build a lot of their squad on scraps and then get told how great they are because of...Christian Pulisic? Give me a fucking break.
 

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Someone asked the question in a match thread during the USA/Colombia game about whether - from a fan's POV - would they prefer the USA remain in CONCACAF where they are currently the best team in the federation, or would they prefer to have a merger (of sorts) with CONMEBOL, where they unquestionably would move several spots down the ladder but at least would be in competitions that would challenge them, and not just challenge them in the Copa América itself but even for qualifying for competitions to begin with (World Cup qualifying would absolutely not be guaranteed for example).

If I was a USA supporter, the answer for me would be obvious. Winning the Gold Cup or whatever other tinpot CONCACAF competitions there are right now where the only real competition is a corrupt and decrepit Mexican team is a waste of everybody's time. You aren't getting any better this way because you're not being challenged at all. It's like literally everything in life, you get better when you're actually challenged into positions that force you to be better. (Either that or you get left behind for being inadequate; either/or.) The USA would get throttled playing Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Colombia (have to include them after this past Saturday), and quite likely even nations like Chile and Perú. Good. Smack some common sense into the federation and Americans in general so that we stop hearing about how "this time it's different, we've got actual European league players in our team" or whatever bullshit USA supporters are spoonfed. Three of the USA starters this weekend - Balogun, Cardozo, Dest - play for the United States because - as alluded to above - they aren't good enough to play for the national teams of the countries they actually grew up in (UK, Brazil, Netherlands). They build a lot of their squad on scraps and then get told how great they are because of...Christian Pulisic? Give me a fucking break.
I don't know how easy it would be to leave/join conmebol or if it was possible to merge concacaf and conmebol. It would be drastic and I feel like conmebol wouldn't do it.

Here in America, in the south/south-west American rules football is like religion. It's popular all over for sure obviously, but in places like Missouri or Florida it's a dream of many kids to be local hero, go to big name university and then go pro. The top universities that usually feed NFL are South/South-west mid-west regions. Basketball is huge too. The coastal cities are major basketball hubs and ncaa march madness is something a lot of young players would like to be in. It's what many people watch. Lakers west coast, celtics east coast

We don't have academy structure here or the will from people to really set up what Europeans have. Basketball and American rules rugby/football are way too popular and so Americans won't really care about academies producing top talent. They don't know or care that the nat'l team is sub par and needs to be better.

They just know NFL, NBA and maybe some MLB and/or NHL. "Who cares if our best talent are rejects who couldn't make it in their own countries. Tom Brady is the goat".
Know what what I mean?
 

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US called up 2 Colombia. u18 players to their fking senior Nat!!!!

1 of them I don’t think even played for his club in agudelo and the other was Jesus Ferreira. This cup tying u20 played because you think your opponents are 💩 has to stop

Again that couldn’t happen in South America

On another note Brazil sucks. I said it’s the worst one I have ever seen. They are in 5th place in South American qualifiers and play fking awful

US super unlucky today. Allison kept Brazil in it
 

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USA got major work to do, i hear they passed on bielsa cause he didnt speak english, that was a huge mistake.
 

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USA got major work to do, i hear they passed on bielsa cause he didnt speak english, that was a huge mistake.

He wouldn’t work for the US. It’s pretty
Much he is the dictator and god of your federation. You knell before Zod and give him everything he wants then some. That’s why a lot of teams passed on him. He also wants a legit project which US really isnt

You guys should have gotten Mexicos old coach who coached Atlanta Fc, Barca and Argentina. He would work well with your younger players plus knows the league.

I think the coach of Panama is really good. Issue is they have no talent up front.
 

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US needs to unfuck the dysfunction at the top. That's where we're at right now. They need to get behind a quality manager and then set a style of play and vision for how it needs to look so that the young talent properly grows how you want it. Get the entire pyramid working on one sheet of music to produce an apex product.

As to what that style is, if I was running the show it would be a balls to the wall high press with athletic defenders that allows you to compress up top on opponents. The US has athleticism it can grow. It has desire. This would best serve them in this current era, up until such time as you get those rare talents who grow up with a ball on their foot.

As to the manager, the fact Berhalter wasn't fired last year in spite of being a dial tone of a leader is a travesty. It demonstrates how poor the vision is up top. We don't need a "name" manager. What we need is a manager who is a young up and comer in whatever style they choose to play. It all has to jive. But if you find a good leader, someone who gets the boys ready to run through walls, then all of a sudden we'll start looking like a real team out there on the pitch.

For the national team it should be an American, but I wouldn't limit the search to only that. But I'd be looking at former players, in that forties range, and try to find a Chris Albright to stack the entire thing to include the manager search. That's what we need.
 

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Marsh seems like a good option tho he has been the single luckiest manager this whole cup. Think they will get a Panama, US level reality check today.

Actually like how Panama played this cup more than any other team. You have to remember how bad their players are in comparison to other teams in this tournament. Before the cup would have defiantly said the 2 worst teams were defiantly Panama and Bolivia.
 

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Berhalter fired, it took 10 days to come to that decision ? That's all you need to know about the state of the USMNT.
 

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Berhalter fired, it took 10 days to come to that decision ? That's all you need to know about the state of the USMNT.

Colombia lost 6-1 in a WC qualifier they didnt fire the guy because they had to pay him 2-3 yeas of his contract. The next guy went 8 games without us scoring they couldn't fire him because they couldn't afford to. We even had another Colombian coach say hey I will work for free and coach the last 4 games they didn't and couldn't.

All I will say is US fans thinking that getting Klopp will make them World Cup champions is hilarious :) ..... even if he coached Spain, France, Brazil or Germany that have the best rosters in the world would he be even guaranteed a final 8 appearance
 

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Colombia lost 6-1 in a WC qualifier they didnt fire the guy because they had to pay him 2-3 yeas of his contract. The next guy went 8 games without us scoring they couldn't fire him because they couldn't afford to. We even had another Colombian coach say hey I will work for free and coach the last 4 games they didn't and couldn't.

All I will say is US fans thinking that getting Klopp will make them World Cup champions is hilarious :) ..... even if he coached Spain, France, Brazil or Germany that have the best rosters in the world would he be even guaranteed a final 8 appearance
Klopp, would be great. That being said, the players couldn't handle his training regime nor his tactics, they'd cry to media and complain. Klopp despite his best efforts would lose the locker room rather quickly, I'm afraid. They'll end up hiring some safe, comfortable guy and the result will be little to no change.
 

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Klopp, would be great. That being said, the players couldn't handle his training regime nor his tactics, they'd cry to media and complain. Klopp despite his best efforts would lose the locker room rather quickly, I'm afraid. They'll end up hiring some safe, comfortable guy and the result will be little to no change.

You can't win without players. US has guys getting bought because they want that sweet sweet US tv revenue

Beating minions in the Concacaf where your playing a bunch of 5'6 dudes and getting out hustled and out muscled by them is sad. Always laugh when US or Mexican fans are like ha Colombia or Italy didn't make the WC. It's like yea man neither would you in our confederation. That makes the team better.

when I look at the US roster then how many goals the players have its insane. Reyna is promising but he is 21 and has 8 NT goals !! Jesus Ferreira is 23 didnt get called and has 15 goals for the US (5 on poor Trinidad, 4 on Grenada..., 1 on Mexico, 2 on Panama and 3 on the power house Saint Kitts).... not sure 2 of those are actual countries but ok!!!! Those numbers are insane if they played in South America tho Ferreria should have waited a bit more to see if Colombia would call him. Tho he like Aguedelo were just super promising at youth level. Fact the US can call these guys and Cap them when they are 18 only happens when you play at a joke level

James was 17 champion in Argentina as a starter in a small team but our NT still was like yea.... dont want to call up a 17 year old. We had bad experience doing that 1 time. Ecuador on the other hand starting Paez at 17 but that kid is out of this world. Real teams dont call players to cup tie them they do it because the player deserves it.
 
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