UEFA Champions League 2013/2014

[Fapuccino]

No, he did NOT have right to obstruct. You simply can't get into someones path.

Wtffff you have every right to do that, it's called shielding the ball. They were shoulder to shoulder.

It would've been a foul/card, if Chiellini pulled him from behind. Then it's a straight red.

But guess what? Chiellini was in between Ronaldo and the goal, and between Ronaldo and the ball.

Relooking at the play, it looks like Ronaldo actually hit his face against Chiellini's palm on purpose, considering the palm was static for a while before the accident.

 

[n4l]

No, he did NOT have right to obstruct. You simply can't get into someones path. It will ALWAYS be a foul, 50-50 for yellow.

So then why does this happen 100% of the time when the ball is going out of bounds? Ball heading out and what do defenders do? OBSTRUCT THE ATTACKER from getting the ball. They do even worse than just block the attacker's path tbh; they push back against the attacker to allow the ball to go out. Never gets called for a foul. Lol.

Fap explained it perfectly in terms of ball positioning, chiellini's proximity to the ball and ronaldo's proximity to the ball. It's only because of these "superstar" players cry and beg for "protection" that this shit even gets called. I guarantee if Ramos did this v Pogba (and without the acting), there would be no call whatsoever.

 

[Fapuccino]

They need to start relying on referees less and less. Need purely automatic/robotic offside/goal-line calls.

And whenever a red card is issued, the player should have the right to have the call reviewed by video people upstairs, a bit like they do in tennis.

Honestly, human error at this level of the game should less and less tolerated. We rely on referees too much.

 

[Shaun]

So then why does this happen 100% of the time when the ball is going out of bounds? Ball heading out and what do defenders do? OBSTRUCT THE ATTACKER from getting the ball. They do even worse than just block the attacker's path tbh; they push back against the attacker to allow the ball to go out. Never gets called for a foul. Lol.

Fap explained it perfectly in terms of ball positioning, chiellini's proximity to the ball and ronaldo's proximity to the ball. It's only because of these "superstar" players cry and beg for "protection" that this shit even gets called. I guarantee if Ramos did this v Pogba (and without the acting), there would be no call whatsoever.

This really is a good point, but typically when a player in shielding the ball they're use their body more so than their arm. In saying that I'm off the opinion that it would have been a harsh yellow, and that it no way should have been a red.

 

[I4E]

Certainly not a straight red and I would even find that a yellow is debatable. But again, what was the referee's view and why did he feel there was enough impact on Ronaldo's face to suggest it was a punch (or slap) ?

@ Fap - I think going to video to review after each incident is probably going a little too far. It will create too much stop - start and disrupt the game too much.

What I would like to see happen is a post match review of an incident by a review panel. If a player is then found he 'took a dive' or 'acted', then he should be given an automatic minimum 1 game suspension. This will sift out the Neymars, Ronaldos and Busquets of the game and make everyone then think twice about trying to pull that shit off.

 

[Pajo]

Guarding the ball is different to obstructing someones path.

Why is always a foul if player tries to dribble, and the defender gets into his way (after the ball passed him)?

Chilini was closer to the ball, but would have never got it. Ronaldo tried to circle his way around, and Chilini, as i mentioned above, DIDNT EVEN WENT FOR THE BALL. He went to stop ronaldo. And the fact he raised his arm, made it worse. If it was only with his body fine, lets say you are right, but it wasn't. And im 99.9% certain ronaldo would have got the ball first. He was at full pace, the ball passed trough the defender, Chilini went for the man and not for the ball - clear foul.

Chielini may get away with it in Italy, since he always uses his arms and elbows in duels, but never in CL. Besides, the debate here is NOT if it was a red, most agree that it wasn't, but if it's a foul or not. And it's 100% a foul.

 

[Pajo]

They need to start relying on referees less and less. Need purely automatic/robotic offside/goal-line calls.

And whenever a red card is issued, the player should have the right to have the call reviewed by video people upstairs, a bit like they do in tennis.

That we can agree of. But they will never allow it, how will they set up matches then? blivious:

Technology is a MUST in football. ASAP used.

 

[Ronaldo]

Guarding the ball and obstructing someone else's path is different.

When defenders guard the ball until it goes out is not obstruction. The ball is yours and you choose to guard it.


I'm surprised N4L even mentioned that point!



IMO, Chiellini's move was a foul but definitely not a red card. I agree with I4E, even a yellow is debatable.

 

[The Wall]

It's not debatable, Ronaldo would have had a promising chance to score there if not fouled. This is a textbook yellow but I can understand some refs going for red.

 

[Fitzy]

What I would like to see happen is a post match review of an incident by a review panel. If a player is then found he 'took a dive' or 'acted', then he should be given an automatic minimum 1 game suspension. This will sift out the Neymars, Ronaldos and Busquets of the game and make everyone then think twice about trying to pull that shit off.

Australia... Leading the football world, as usual.

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Technology is a MUST in football. ASAP used.

Only should be used in real-time if its is a clear-cut decision (e.g. goal-line technology). Look at this issue, for example... People are stilll arguing about the ruling now, after viewing from multiple angles on replay. How the fuck is the referee meant to get it right on the spot?

 

[Fapuccino]

Certainly not a straight red and I would even find that a yellow is debatable. But again, what was the referee's view and why did he feel there was enough impact on Ronaldo's face to suggest it was a punch (or slap) ?

@ Fap - I think going to video to review after each incident is probably going a little too far. It will create too much stop - start and disrupt the game too much.

What I would like to see happen is a post match review of an incident by a review panel. If a player is then found he 'took a dive' or 'acted', then he should be given an automatic minimum 1 game suspension. This will sift out the Neymars, Ronaldos and Busquets of the game and make everyone then think twice about trying to pull that shit off.

Not after every incident, but when red cards are issued, there should be people upstairs reviewing the decision. Decisions like this can completely change the game.

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It's not debatable, Ronaldo would have had a promising chance to score there if not fouled. This is a textbook yellow but I can understand some refs going for red.

It wasnt a promising chance, the ball was way out of his reach. Unless he could run through chiellinis body.

the ball wasnt straight on his path, it was across chiellini's body, and chiellini was in between him and th ball.

 

[Kakaroto]

I LOVE that it wasn't a red. Fuck RuBe. They deserve it.

 

[The Wall]

Have you guys seen the bullshit that PSG just pulled with the bogus sponsorship deal?

FFP is such a joke, it's hilarious. Clubs like Chelsea, City, PSG, Zenit, Monaco would never be able to comply it if UEFA wasn't such a corrupt and money loving organization.

 

[Fitzy]

Have you guys seen the bullshit that PSG just pulled with the bogus sponsorship deal?

FFP is such a joke, it's hilarious. Clubs like Chelsea, City, PSG, Zenit, Monaco would never be able to comply it if UEFA wasn't such a corrupt and money loving organization.

Its a complete farce. The PSG owners are effectively moving money from one business department to another, and labeling it as "sponsorship".

UEFA should pull its head right out of its colon and do something, but it won't.

 

[The Wall]

Its a complete farce. The PSG owners are effectively moving money from one business department to another, and labeling it as "sponsorship".

UEFA should pull its head right out of its colon and do something, but it won't.

And the sad part is that something like this was calculated as a possible loophole and you shouldn't be able to do it to circumvent the FFP. But City already did it blatantly and UEFA did nothing.

I have no idea how Chelsea manages to spend all that money and still comply. Has anyone seen their spending for the last few years, it's outrageous. Zenit, Monaco, lol. The list goes on and on.

 

[I4E]

With all newly released legal documents/regulations, big rich clubs will have they're legal team go through it with a fine tooth comb and leave no stone unturned just to find the 'loopholes'. This is with any legal regulation tbh and they all get scrutinised just to identify what can be found.

The real test for Fifa is how, or better still if, they act on these loopholes to close the gaps. Based on their excellent record on corruption and miss dealings, I'd imagine they'll do absolutely fuck all !

 

[Kakaroto]

You guys thought FFP was acuatually gonna be implemented? You guys need to be more cynical.

 

[Shaun]

Browha did...

 

[Wallace]

Moratti did

 

[monster09]

And the sad part is that something like this was calculated as a possible loophole and you shouldn't be able to do it to circumvent the FFP. But City already did it blatantly and UEFA did nothing.

I have no idea how Chelsea manages to spend all that money and still comply. Has anyone seen their spending for the last few years, it's outrageous. Zenit, Monaco, lol. The list goes on and on.

City's sponsorship deal haven't passed UEFA fair market value (something like that) yet. I'm sure even the PSG deal won't. They can post whatever numbers they want to but UEFA won't consider it.

It's hilarious to see UEFA's FFP been written off even before they started implementing it.