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Playing Zaza as RW with immobile as the CF? Did they really set up like that? I didn’t watch the game.

If so what the actual fuck. You leave Politano at home so you can play Zaza on the RW?
 

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Come on, Romagnoli is one of the more promising CB prospects in the world. Your general sentiment is right though.

To be honest I've watched like 2-3 Milan games in the past 2 years (only derbies) since they've been shit, so I'm out of the loop. I might be wrong on 1 or 2, but most of these players are just randos, especially compared to Italy 10 years ago.

Expecting Italy to succeed with Bonaventura and Zaza is a giant wtf. I don't know how you can go from Totti and Del Piero to Immobile and Zaza (in all fairness to Immobile he can score goals but as an overall player he's not close to them).
 

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imho it makes sense to field caldara and romagnoli, as they're supposed to be the CBs of the italy of the future. same for donnarumma. nearly everything sense didn't make much sense though.
 

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Playing Zaza as RW with immobile as the CF? Did they really set up like that? I didn’t watch the game.

If so what the actual fuck. You leave Politano at home so you can play Zaza on the RW?
No he was playing up front with Immobile in a 4-4-2. He played Chiesa on the right of the midfield four, which was almost as bad.
 

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Italy has good quality when compared to other teams. They just have too low a confidence because they're nowhere near the level of Spain, France and Germany, especially when you consider depth. But Italy, on paper, is still a top 6-7 nation in Europe. Would argue that Belgium is ahead and then there's Portugal who have gelled well under Santos and get their results and there's also Croatia who have a great but limited numerically squad. Italy comes right after that, maybe ahead of Portugal, maybe not. And there are several nations on a similar level, but in terms of quality Italy is still ahead of the likes of Holland, England, Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark etc.

The main problem is some severe weaknesses in the full back positions. Everyone is either average or slightly above average and then you have hardcore Italian weaknesses. Center backs that are not world class or an attacking midfielder that is not world class. Quality wingers is a nice bonus, but they never carried Italy. They were useful, but they weren't really the leaders of the team. Italy has always relied on great goalkeepers, great defenders and a great trequartista. And usually there were at least 2-3 goalkeepers per squad, at least 3 centerbacks and at least 2 top class trequartisti. Now there's none of either so Italy is forced to change its identity. Maybe Mancini can be that guy as he's not really a standard Italian coach. Using this Nations League to try out new things is great and I don't think it will ever gain a prestigious standard, but it wouldn't be nice to see Italy end up playing against Ukraine, Austria and Greece in the B level, so it's vital that this team doesn't not fail entirely. A win vs Portugal at home and at Poland at this point is a must.

As for their players, I always rated Jorginho as a world class player and he rarely disappoints me. Maybe now that the moved to the most overrated league in the world more people can jump on the bandwagon. Insigne is another great player who almost everyone in the world would love to have. There's no "consistent" wingers out there, not even Cristiano if you consider him a winger - which he has stopped being since 2010 or so - is consistent. There's a large amount of players who are on a good level but not a top level. That's what Italy needs. Not many teams can have so many 7,5/10 or 8/10 players as Italy does with the Bonaventura, Immobile, Berardi, Bellotti, Gagliardini, Benassi, Pellegrini, Bernardeschi, Barella, Rugani, Caldara, Florenzi, Politano, Verdi etc.. The ones that can - Spain, France, Germany - also have better ones and in more numbers. There's too many of them and you cannot know which one is the best choice each time. Not many stand out against their counterparts.

The problem it's not entirely a quality one, it's a matter of finding the right players and making it work. Italy cannot be a favorite in a tournament any time soon, but they can cause an upset as we've seen from Portugal and Croatia in recent years. And in terms of depth, Italy is probably ahead of both teams. It just lacks in individual top talent, which is usually a big plus in these major tournaments, but unimportant in qualifier games.

So Italy pretty much needs a core team.

I'd go for Donnarumma under the goalposts as he's a very talented GK and stick with him until some other prodigy appears in the surface and can replace him.
Romagnoli is a must in the new era as the defence's leader. Then you have guys like Chiellini and Bonucci to rotate next to him and fill the rest of the team with Caldara, Ferrari and Rugani. Preferrably Chiellini though.
I'd stick with a Florenzi + D'Ambrosio right back situation.
The left back situation is very ugly. Spinazzola could be a solution and I'd like to see Biraghi slowly incorporated into the NT.
Which brings me to the midfield, which imo has to start and finish with a Jorginho-Verratti duo + one of Gagliardini, Barella or Pellegrini. With Benassi or Cristante as roster filler.
The left wing belongs to Insigne and there's only Bonavenura and Sansone there to rotate.
The right wing should be rotated between Bernardeschi and Chiesa with either Berardi, Politano or Verdi as an other option.
And Belotti should be the main striker. Immobile does not suit a game with no AMC behind him and Zaza is not NT material. I'd rather see Balotelli and Gabbiadini in the team who are not box strikers but can be added into the game to be dangerous from a distance, next to a box striker.

That's for a 4-3-3 system which I think suits the Italy players the most, but with the talent pool they have, they can easily switch to 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-2 or 3-4-3- or whatever they want. As I've repeatedly said, here's no excuses about quality. It's a mental issue.

And here's the lineup I want to see more of:

-------------------------------Donnarumma

Florenzi---------Romagnoli-------------Chiellini--------Spinazzola

-----------------Verratti------Jorginho------Gagliardini

----Bernardeschi-----------------------------------------Insigne

-----------------------------Belotti
 

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There are probably lots of people his age that don't care for hip hop. But at the same time, you would think he also wouldn't care for Miley Cyrus, the Chainsmokers, and Shawn Mendes.

At least there's some Pink Floyd, Queen, and AC/DC there.

Don't get why you can't like a bit of everything, people who limit themselves to a certain type of music and look down on other musical preferences are annoying.

Notwithstanding the thought of Mancini listening to Miley Cyrus is funny as fuck.

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Italy has good quality when compared to other teams. They just have too low a confidence because they're nowhere near the level of Spain, France and Germany, especially when you consider depth. But Italy, on paper, is still a top 6-7 nation in Europe. Would argue that Belgium is ahead and then there's Portugal who have gelled well under Santos and get their results and there's also Croatia who have a great but limited numerically squad. Italy comes right after that, maybe ahead of Portugal, maybe not. And there are several nations on a similar level, but in terms of quality Italy is still ahead of the likes of Holland, England, Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark etc.

The main problem is some severe weaknesses in the full back positions. Everyone is either average or slightly above average and then you have hardcore Italian weaknesses. Center backs that are not world class or an attacking midfielder that is not world class. Quality wingers is a nice bonus, but they never carried Italy. They were useful, but they weren't really the leaders of the team. Italy has always relied on great goalkeepers, great defenders and a great trequartista. And usually there were at least 2-3 goalkeepers per squad, at least 3 centerbacks and at least 2 top class trequartisti. Now there's none of either so Italy is forced to change its identity. Maybe Mancini can be that guy as he's not really a standard Italian coach. Using this Nations League to try out new things is great and I don't think it will ever gain a prestigious standard, but it wouldn't be nice to see Italy end up playing against Ukraine, Austria and Greece in the B level, so it's vital that this team doesn't not fail entirely. A win vs Portugal at home and at Poland at this point is a must.

As for their players, I always rated Jorginho as a world class player and he rarely disappoints me. Maybe now that the moved to the most overrated league in the world more people can jump on the bandwagon. Insigne is another great player who almost everyone in the world would love to have. There's no "consistent" wingers out there, not even Cristiano if you consider him a winger - which he has stopped being since 2010 or so - is consistent. There's a large amount of players who are on a good level but not a top level. That's what Italy needs. Not many teams can have so many 7,5/10 or 8/10 players as Italy does with the Bonaventura, Immobile, Berardi, Bellotti, Gagliardini, Benassi, Pellegrini, Bernardeschi, Barella, Rugani, Caldara, Florenzi, Politano, Verdi etc.. The ones that can - Spain, France, Germany - also have better ones and in more numbers. There's too many of them and you cannot know which one is the best choice each time. Not many stand out against their counterparts.

The problem it's not entirely a quality one, it's a matter of finding the right players and making it work. Italy cannot be a favorite in a tournament any time soon, but they can cause an upset as we've seen from Portugal and Croatia in recent years. And in terms of depth, Italy is probably ahead of both teams. It just lacks in individual top talent, which is usually a big plus in these major tournaments, but unimportant in qualifier games.

So Italy pretty much needs a core team.

I'd go for Donnarumma under the goalposts as he's a very talented GK and stick with him until some other prodigy appears in the surface and can replace him.
Romagnoli is a must in the new era as the defence's leader. Then you have guys like Chiellini and Bonucci to rotate next to him and fill the rest of the team with Caldara, Ferrari and Rugani. Preferrably Chiellini though.
I'd stick with a Florenzi + D'Ambrosio right back situation.
The left back situation is very ugly. Spinazzola could be a solution and I'd like to see Biraghi slowly incorporated into the NT.
Which brings me to the midfield, which imo has to start and finish with a Jorginho-Verratti duo + one of Gagliardini, Barella or Pellegrini. With Benassi or Cristante as roster filler.
The left wing belongs to Insigne and there's only Bonavenura and Sansone there to rotate.
The right wing should be rotated between Bernardeschi and Chiesa with either Berardi, Politano or Verdi as an other option.
And Belotti should be the main striker. Immobile does not suit a game with no AMC behind him and Zaza is not NT material. I'd rather see Balotelli and Gabbiadini in the team who are not box strikers but can be added into the game to be dangerous from a distance, next to a box striker.

That's for a 4-3-3 system which I think suits the Italy players the most, but with the talent pool they have, they can easily switch to 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-2 or 3-4-3- or whatever they want. As I've repeatedly said, here's no excuses about quality. It's a mental issue.

And here's the lineup I want to see more of:

-------------------------------Donnarumma

Florenzi---------Romagnoli-------------Chiellini--------Spinazzola

-----------------Verratti------Jorginho------Gagliardini

----Bernardeschi-----------------------------------------Insigne

-----------------------------Belotti

Wide forwards just don't work for Italy, no one has enough technical ability to be the lone striker I think Italy should turn to a 3-5-2.
 

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The problem is not with the wide forwards but the fact that the box striker is usually sub par and that there's no help from the midfield. You need to attack in numbers for this work. Gagliardini does that and eventually one of Jorginho/Verratti will be around the edge of the box and cut the defense a bit.

The problem with a 3-5-2 is that there's no link between defence and attack. Who will be the wing backs? Florenzi and Spinazzola? What about when they're not available? There's no one. It's Candreva and one of D'Ambrosio and Darmian on the left.. Unless we expect Andrea Conti to recover and be at a good level soon enough.
And still, there aren't any good central midfielders who can move forward. At least not one who can be a guaranteed starter. There's Gagliardini, Bennassi and Barella.
 

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Watching Portugal-Italy and I am so happy.

Finally whole Italy can feel our pain when we had this clown for a coach.
Exactly.Im so glad that he is there.

Also glad that he rests Politano and Danilo from the NT duties and Gagliardini in this game yesterday.

Watching Inter players in that shirt hurts.
 

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30% Inter playing now.

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Good play be Despacito to Perisic who almost scored

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Despacito injured :palm:

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OLooks like we'll be having a Dalbert-D'ambrossio combo in the CL lads :)

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Asensio has a red up arrow
 

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No Dalbert in CL.

So Asamoah and DDA
 

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20% Inter is getting hammered 4-0 so far
 

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Well this is too much

:yao2:
 

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Isco with a world class goal there. Beautiful first touch and finish as well.

6-0


:yao2:
 

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lmao
 

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Cant be better then this:

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Indeed, Valbuena is a whole centimeter shorter at 1.67 :yao:

Actually really not that short, both of them. I'm average in height at 1.82m and a difference of 15-14 cm isn't that big of a deal.
 

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It is with women.
 

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I'm not too sure gold-diggers mind it that much. After all dudes like Valbuena can stack some cash and climb on it.
 
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