Yann Bisseck

[Ethor]

Thank goodness, he did well today, sad he did score on that one shot. Good work.

 

[BasedGodPunk]

He’s either excellent or an absolute dud. We got the latter today.

 

[brakbrak]

This dude is 24 this year, not some inexperienced 19 y.o

 

[ADRossi]

He's a defender whose worst attribute is his defense.

 

[BasedGodPunk]

This dude is 24 this year, not some inexperienced 19 y.o

Fair point tbh. I do think there’s a good player here, but I don’t think he’ll ever become what we had hoped for. Probably a Roma level player as a starter. I do like him as a back up though.

 

[.h.]

He's a defender whose worst attribute is his defense.

That's pretty much our whole defense atm

 

[Il Drago]

He's a defender whose worst attribute is his defense.

Let's say he's a "modern" defender

 

[syrus]

Too many brain farts today.

Still think it's a solid 12 months away from showing constant reliability

 

[BasedGodPunk]

sitting here still depressed and fully greened thinking about our guy. I’m this guys biggest fan but he was so incredibly bad tonight. Harsh to blamd Dumfries when he had zero room for error w the two Yann behind him.

 

[Kramerica Industries]

Absolute horror show performance from him.

 

[thatdude]

I’ve been saying it for a while but he is terrible reading situations aerially and he is poor against tricky dribblers. Neither is a great attribute for an outside CB in a back 3.

The reason he was in Denmark and the reason he was so cheap is because he’s almost 24 and still hasn’t ironed these mistakes out of his game. That’s just the harsh truth of what our money can buy.

So much potential physically and technically but man. He is absolutely a liability we just have to be honest about it. Playing him is a guarantee the other team will be at least 1-2 legitimate chances.

 

[Kramerica Industries]

I’ve been saying it for a while but he is terrible reading situations aerially and he is poor against tricky dribblers. Neither is a great attribute for an outside CB in a back 3.

The reason he was in Denmark and the reason he was so cheap is because he’s almost 24 and still hasn’t ironed these mistakes out of his game. That’s just the harsh truth of what our money can buy.

So much potential physically and technically but man. He is absolutely a liability we just have to be honest about it. Playing him is a guarantee the other team will be at least 1-2 legitimate chances.

We're four points behind Napoli.

Bisseck's handball lapse against Genoa cost us two points.

His defensive lapses led to the two goals for Juventus that cost us two points.

2 + 2 = 4

There's your difference. A little simplistic, certainly a good time to remember that defenders usually don't get the glory they deserve when they're great and likely get too much of the blame when they make mistakes (De Vrij didn't have a good game at all either and Zielinski's tracking on Mckennie twice was very underwhelming), but fair or not that's what comes with the territory. I'd say Bisseck is playing his way out of playing time, except the only alternative would be going back to what we saw early last season with Darmian as both Pavard and Dumfries' backup.

It's disappointing, it feels like we're seeing more lapses from Bisseck than we did a year ago. And some of that is probably just "the book" being out on him more now with a full year of being in Serie A and teams knowing his strengths and weaknesses better, but he has a part to play in helping counteract that, but even with a decent amount of playing time this season he doesn't seem to be developing at all. And maybe that's just because of limitations in his game...you learn to have the "eyes in the back of your head" for weakside runs from the winger and providing help for your wide back well before you reach your mid 20s. Being inattentive to that is simply lacking feel for the game, and most "feel" things aren't teachable, you either have them or you don't for the most part.

 

[brakbrak]

That's why I don't get hard over preseason. I saw a handful of posts earlier this season asking for Pavard's head just because Bisseck had a good preseason. I hope he can fix his defensive weakness but he's already 24 and Inzaghi isn't known to develop someone defensively bar Calhanoglu?

 

[Fapuccino]

I still don't understand what the complaint is about him last game. That his header landed on an unmarked player? The issue is why was that player unmarked not why a header clearance happened to land in an opposing players attack.

We dropped points because tactically the game was a fucking shitshow.

 

[CafeCordoba]

The general shakiness and the refusal to do what Dumfries asked him to do in Yildiz's first goal which was to back up Dumfries' right side so he can take the center. Bisseck just refused to do it and kept the center himself which allowed Yildiz to take the shot. Yes Dumfries wasn't doing great blocking that shot but Bisseck running to make that cover would have been way more effective anyway. Dumfries would have been able to concentrate fully on keeping the center. There was Frattesi also coming to the center so there would have been more space covered (towards the goal).

Bisseck's defending is just abysmal at times. He was great against City which is not a small thing, but he needs to keep up and try to improve in every match. This is kind of the cost of our system which relies on defenders who can play the ball, who can even dribble with the ball. The defending leaves something to be desired, since we cannot afford to buy the "full package" guys. Let's hope Bisseck learns something from this Juve match. Focus, positioning! And that's essentially what experience is about. It simply requires minutes, phase certain and different situation enough times.

 

[brakbrak]

The general shakiness and the refusal to do what Dumfries asked him to do in Yildiz's first goal which was to back up Dumfries' right side so he can take the center. Bisseck just refused to do it and kept the center himself which allowed Yildiz to take the shot. Yes Dumfries wasn't doing great blocking that shot but Bisseck running to make that cover would have been way more effective anyway. Dumfries would have been able to concentrate fully on keeping the center. There was Frattesi also coming to the center so there would have been more space covered (towards the goal).

Bisseck's defending is just abysmal at times. He was great against City which is not a small thing, but he needs to keep up and try to improve in every match. This is kind of the cost of our system which relies on defenders who can play the ball, who can even dribble with the ball. The defending leaves something to be desired, since we cannot afford to buy the "full package" guys. Let's hope Bisseck learns something from this Juve match. Focus, positioning! And that's essentially what experience is about. It simply requires minutes, phase certain and different situation enough times.

I'm not sure about that, Bisseck was fire away from the Dumfries' right side. Bisseck covering Dumfries' right side would take him longer to reach and might even hit Dumfries when running. The right play should have been him instructing Bisseck to cover center and him closing that left side.

 

[Damageplan]

Bisseck has great physical attributes but is absolutely terrible at the tactical part of the game. In Italy (and most developed footballing countries) you develop your technical skills up until the age of 13 and from then on you shift almost exclusively to tactical.
It is pretty obvious this guy has a lack of footballing intelligence. He looks like another Davinson Sanchez. In a 3 man defense that is not forgiving at all. He does have some quality going forward in a Dumfries kind of way but a reliable CB he will never be.
I am not completely writing him off but there is very little chance he will drastically change his defensive ability.

 

[CafeCordoba]

Yes, completely writing him off wouldn't be smart.

Saying there's very little chance he will drastically change his defensive ability is quite an exaggeration in my books. He's still quite young as a player when you look how old players are playing in this team, at quite high level. Meaning, Bisseck have plenty of years to hone his defensive skills. Just needs minutes.

 

[Damageplan]

I do hope he proves me wrong.

 

[BasedGodPunk]

He'll be fine and a great rotational piece for us. Not sure he is going to be a full time starter like we all hoped he would be. The CB version of Frattesi tbh.