Zlatan Ibrahimovic

[Il Genio]

I personally find nothing wrong with the idea of supporting specific players regardless where they play at. The problem with it though, is that these supporters will more often than not be extremely biased and thus irritates the hell out of the club's supporters when they disagree.

For example, the Ronaldo case when most of his fans (Not Interisti) think that he was in the right when it was pretty obvious that he backstabbed Inter and twist the knife afterwards. (I'm just using this as an obvious example, please debate the matter in his own thread. ) Or maybe, I don't know, when Figo moved to Real Madrid; maybe some of Figo's fans still find some unfathomable ways to defend the betrayal.

The 'irritation' caused by the biasedness & stubbornness is perhaps best exampled by when a Juventino comes to our forum denying that his club is involved in Calciopoli and blindly preach the fact that we won our 4 Scudetti due to the favors we got post-Calciopoli.

But other than that, if it's done properly, it doesn't matter if you support the player or the club. What matters most is to be rational and to stay loyal with the player.

I agree but there's another side of the coin aswell. To me, it's also a bit embarassing for me at least to resort to being UPSET with a player when I'm not a local (and even if I were, it would be kind of embarrasing). I mean, if you're from Poland, Crotia, Japan, USA or whatever and have picked the team for no other reason than them looking cool on Xbox or something then you really don't have the credentials to be all in flames over a player leaving or someone else being a plastic fan. Most of those guys have themselfes either gone for the "cool shirt", "love em on Xbox", "Matthaus rules" or "Ronaldo is awesome" and are in the ultras eyes as plastic as any other non-local. It's a very thin line of acceptance there that will never be achieved in the eyes of the ultras.

On the other hand there's a history and a pedigree to Inter as a international club with an intellectual fan base. Those people, locals or not, aren't the sort of peeps that'll use that kind of narrow-minded ideas of Inter and see it through a broader contex of the history of the club and what it stands for. So if you're (not you personally, but the general "you") seeking acceptance as an Interista, those guys are your best bet - not the hooligans chanting mantras of hate, cause they effing hate you too, you are not one of them. You are plastic and that's it.

So this is equally irritating to me, fans posing as "real" fans and attacking other fans that aren't as "real". Why even bother going after player fans when Inter is a international club and you yourself are a fake fan? It just seems a bit... self righteous? And it doesn't have to be, since we all like Inter in some ways (some longer than others, but what the hey) and shouldn't travel that path at all. It's not only a bad way to connecting to locals that love Inter, but it's also very un-Inter like when looking at what the club stands for and how it was created for fans like us (citizens of the world) and not specifically "the locals" or the "real" fans.

This topic would require a thread of it's own though, and maybe it's impossible to have a rational discussion about with the people directly affected by the "ultra-bug". I don't even think it's the team that's affecting them so much as it is a desire to be part of some form of community and a willingness to do what they think is required to be so. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" and all that. All that stuff is very difficult to get past in that sort of debate, and you're not debating the club or a player as much as you are debating the need of a persons willingness to belong.


If do you look at the Zlatan issue rationally he's acted like a professional (he's always been a prick) and we got he deal of the century when shipping him out, so the whole idea of anyone passionately arguing over it amongst plastics is just weird. Like... "dude, I played with my Inter on Xbox long before any of you non-Zlatan haters cause we got that shit to the states long before any of you europeans". It's so bizarre in some cases you can't help but to wonder if any of those making these ridiculous claims are Milanistas in disguise fucking with the plastic fans of the Forza Inter-forums just to stir shit up and make the forum look silly and shallow. :joker::thumbsdo:

 

[Il Genio]

Vitomins, Handoyo:

I agree with both of you and am happy that I got some nice responses. I can understand that it might be irritating if a "one player"-fan goes crazy and blames the team for the players shortcomings etc. Personally I've never claimed to be an Interista same as I never claimed to be an Ajax fan or a Juve fan. However, since I liked Inter best of the teams that Zlatan played in I will follow your results in the future as well which I haven't done with Ajax or Juve. I actually feel that Inter as a whole has benefitted from the trades this summer since you now have more high class players spread out over the field. Inter matches should be more fun to watch now for you real Interistas even though I hope at least some of you will miss Zlatans crazy maneuvers sometimes.

Go for it dude.

 

[vitomins]

I agree but there's another side of the coin aswell. To me, it's also a bit embarassing for me at least to resort to being UPSET with a player when I'm not a local (and even if I were, it would be kind of embarrasing). I mean, if you're from Poland, Crotia, Japan, USA or whatever and have picked the team for no other reason than them looking cool on Xbox or something then you really don't have the credentials to be all in flames over a player leaving or someone else being a plastic fan. Most of those guys have themselfes either gone for the "cool shirt", "love em on Xbox", "Matthaus rules" or "Ronaldo is awesome" and are in the ultras eyes as plastic as any other non-local. It's a very thin line of acceptance there that will never be achieved in the eyes of the ultras.

On the other hand there's a history and a pedigree to Inter as a international club with an intellectual fan base. Those people, locals or not, aren't the sort of peeps that'll use that kind of narrow-minded ideas of Inter and see it through a broader contex of the history of the club and what it stands for. So if you're (not you personally, but the general "you") seeking acceptance as an Interista, those guys are your best bet - not the hooligans chanting mantras of hate, cause they effing hate you too, you are not one of them. You are plastic and that's it.

So this is equally irritating to me, fans posing as "real" fans and attacking other fans that aren't as "real". Why even bother going after player fans when Inter is a international club and you yourself are a fake fan? It just seems a bit... self righteous? And it doesn't have to be, since we all like Inter in some ways (some longer than others, but what the hey) and shouldn't travel that path at all. It's not only a bad way to connecting to locals that love Inter, but it's also very un-Inter like when looking at what the club stands for and how it was created for fans like us (citizens of the world) and not specifically "the locals" or the "real" fans.

This topic would require a thread of it's own though, and maybe it's impossible to have a rational discussion about with the people directly affected by the "ultra-bug". I don't even think it's the team that's affecting them so much as it is a desire to be part of some form of community and a willingness to do what they think is required to be so. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" and all that. All that stuff is very difficult to get past in that sort of debate, and you're not debating the club or a player as much as you are debating the need of a persons willingness to belong.


If do you look at the Zlatan issue rationally he's acted like a professional (he's always been a prick) and we got he deal of the century when shipping him out, so the whole idea of anyone passionately arguing over it amongst plastics is just weird. Like... "dude, I played with my Inter on Xbox long before any of you non-Zlatan haters cause we got that shit to the states long before any of you europeans". It's so bizarre in some cases you can't help but to wonder if any of those making these ridiculous claims are Milanistas in disguise fucking with the plastic fans of the Forza Inter-forums just to stir shit up and make the forum look silly and shallow. :joker::thumbsdo:

Not all people living in other countries have a family history in that country....Just because I live in the United States does not mean I chose Inter because of their colors or the way they are on FIFA or PES. My entire family came from Italy and my father was a huge Interista as a child...I was following Inter on illegal satellite long before american sports broadcasting or gaming even knew what Inter was.

I think you are missing my point a bit...I am against player fans that hop from team to team claiming to support that team when they are just waiting to support the next team that player joins...if you became an Interista because of a player and remain one after the player leaves, then I have absolutely no objection...

Except if you came form being a Juventino or Milanista...yuck just the thought of switching to those teams makes me want to jump off a bridge!

 

[Adam]

Ibra speaks on his decision for leaving Inter and some other Barca related things. I love it how he makes it sound like he could of stayed at Inter, and won the Serie A every year by default.

[youtube]aLCEAQz9l-4[/youtube]

 

[blackmore]

he said he won everythng he could with inter which to me says he knew inter didnt and wouldnt have the quality to win the c.l.....c'mon inter lets sign a quality am this year so we can show him what we're capable of....it would be a dream to meet barcelona in the finals and beat them...all we need is a player or two....

 

[tritolone]

Fuck, today I saw a kid wearing Ibrahimovic new (Barcelona) jersey and almost cried

 

[Il Genio]

Not all people living in other countries have a family history in that country....Just because I live in the United States does not mean I chose Inter because of their colors or the way they are on FIFA or PES. My entire family came from Italy and my father was a huge Interista as a child...I was following Inter on illegal satellite long before american sports broadcasting or gaming even knew what Inter was.

I think you are missing my point a bit...I am against player fans that hop from team to team claiming to support that team when they are just waiting to support the next team that player joins...if you became an Interista because of a player and remain one after the player leaves, then I have absolutely no objection...

Except if you came form being a Juventino or Milanista...yuck just the thought of switching to those teams makes me want to jump off a bridge!

Just to give you an idea of what it means to be real passionate about a team (and I'm not talking lovingly passionate, but hatefully passionate), let me list the credentials that very few on this forum lives up to and are not doing:

1) You are not spending a fortune on season tickets (imagine paying to watch Ibrahimovic just to see him transfer. Rah).

2) You are not sitting in a bus for three hours and standing in the rain for another two only to have your team not bother to show up, with you being forced to travel back another three hours fuming with rage and disappointment (now that shit is real).

3) You are not going to work or the shop the day after a derby with a bunch of Milanistas gloating in your face (I doubt the american crew of real interistas are having heated debates about soccer at work with a pissy co-worker, sorry, but I doubt it).

4) You are not travelling to 10-15 away games each season and investing as much time in it as the team itself (many of you crack open a bag of chips and watch the game on tele followed by a quick log on, maybe even travel down for a few matches each year, but let's not kid ourselfes; it-is-not-the-same).


If you are not doing any of these things you can not truly know what it feels to be very concerned about very real things going on in your very real day to day life. You can pretend that you do, but it would be as fake as me pretending I'm all up in flames over Brittney Spears being slandered in the media.

You have basically let yourself become this:

[youtube]kHmvkRoEowc[/youtube]

And oh my...it is not pretty... :yuck::smileani:

 

[vitomins]

Just to give you an idea of what it means to be real passionate about a team (and I'm not talking lovingly passionate, but hatefully passionate), let me list the credentials that very few on this forum lives up to and are not doing:

1) You are not spending a fortune on season tickets (imagine paying to watch Ibrahimovic just to see him transfer. Rah).

2) You are not sitting in a bus for three hours and standing in the rain for another two only to have your team not bother to show up, with you being forced to travel back another three hours fuming with rage and disappointment (now that shit is real).

3) You are not going to work or the shop the day after a derby with a bunch of Milanistas gloating in your face (I doubt the american crew of real interistas are having heated debates about soccer at work with a pissy co-worker, sorry, but I doubt it).

4) You are not travelling to 10-15 away games each season and investing as much time in it as the team itself (many of you crack open a bag of chips and watch the game on tele followed by a quick log on, maybe even travel down for a few matches each year, but let's not kid ourselfes; it-is-not-the-same).


If you are not doing any of these things you can not truly know what it feels to be very concerned about very real things going on in your very real day to day life. You can pretend that you do, but it would be as fake as me pretending I'm all up in flames over Brittney Spears being slandered in the media.

You have basically let yourself become this:

[youtube]kHmvkRoEowc[/youtube]

And oh my...it is not pretty... :yuck::smileani:

Ok so you are basically stating that you must live in Italy in order to be passionate about Inter?? That is just ridiculous man. If I lived in Italy than all of those supposed "credentials" would be met. To say I am not passionate about this club because I do not meet those credentials is a crock of shit...so please stop trying to prove you are a bigger fan than everyone because you live in Italy...

 

[coprefrigerasi]

Fuck, today I saw a kid wearing Ibrahimovic new (Barcelona) jersey and almost cried

ibra has contribute 3 scudetto for inter. so keep proud to ibra.

 

[Adam]

Ok so you are basically stating that you must live in Italy in order to be passionate about Inter?? That is just ridiculous man. If I lived in Italy than all of those supposed "credentials" would be met. To say I am not passionate about this club because I do not meet those credentials is a crock of shit...so please stop trying to prove you are a bigger fan than everyone because you live in Italy...

That's so godamn hypocritical Vitomins. This is coming from the same guy who thinks of himself as a bigger fan than those who started supporting the club because their favourite player joined it. It's hilarious really, someone that's lived in the U.S for most of his life is trying to educate Europeans on football culture.

As for who's a fan and who's not. The only fans I take a bow to is the ones Il Genio described, because they earned it. Everybody else's opinion on this matter I consider irrelevant. Like I'm gonna put any significance on the topic of fanhood from the words of some guy sitting behind his computer screen is America, Bahrian or Sweden for that matter. Yeah, that will happen.

 

[vitomins]

That's so godamn hypocritical Vitomins. This is coming from the same guy who thinks of himself as a bigger fan than those who started supporting the club because their favourite player joined it. It's hilarious really, someone that's lived in the U.S for most of his life is trying to educate Europeans on football culture.

As for who's a fan and who's not. The only fans I take a bow to is the ones Il Genio described, because they earned it. Everybody else's opinion on this matter I consider irrelevant. Like I'm gonna put any significance on fanhood from the words of some guy sitting behind his computer screen is America, Bahrian or Sweden for that matter. Yeah, that will happen.

Adam, please stop twisting my words to attempt to prove a point. I have said on numerous occasions that I have no problem with people who begin following 1 team because of a player. The "fans" that jump from team to team are the ones that I do not consider true fans.

Your words have no credibility to me because you have been a fan of at least 3 different teams in your lifetime. As for me, I have supported, watched, and followed Inter since I first began to watch the game of football at age 5. If you knew the amount of times I wished I was born in Italy just so that I could buy season tickets every year and attend every training session then maybe you would understand.

 

[Adam]

Adam, please stop twisting my words to attempt to prove a point. I have said on numerous occasions that I have no problem with people who begin following 1 team because of a player. The "fans" that jump from team to team are the ones that I do not consider true fans.

Your words have no credibility to me because you have been a fan of at least 3 different teams in your lifetime. As for me, I have supported, watched, and followed Inter since I first began to watch the game of football at age 5. If you knew the amount of times I wished I was born in Italy just so that I could buy season tickets every year and attend every training session then maybe you would understand.

Ahh, there's nothing worse than a hypocrite. :yuck: I'm not even gonna bother with you. You're not better than anyone else here. You just, amusingly so, think you are. In fact you're worse. Most of the members here understand that we're all from different nations, and different walks of life, but we unify in our fanhood of Inter. You think you deserve more respect because your daddy supported the club way back when. Fvck off with that bullshit.

And in regards to how many teams I've been fan of, you're actually right. It is three. MFF, Inter and the Harlem Globetrotters. If I was a fan of every football forum I visit then I would "support" half of the top clubs on the planet.

 

[vitomins]

Ahh, there's nothing worse than a hypocrite. :yuck: I'm not even gonna bother with you. You're not better than anyone else here. You just, amusingly so, think you are. In fact you're worse. Most of the members here understand that we're all from different nations, and different walks of life, but we unify in our fanhood of Inter. You think you deserve more respect because your daddy supported the club way back when. Fvck off with that bullshit.

And in regards to how many teams I've been fan of, you're actually right. It is three. MFF, Inter and the Harlem Globetrotters. If I was a fan of every football forum I visit then I would "support" half of the top clubs on the planet.

you are pathetic...I sent a PM if you want to continue this...I'm not going to derail another thread...

 

[blackmore]

Just to give you an idea of what it means to be real passionate about a team (and I'm not talking lovingly passionate, but hatefully passionate), let me list the credentials that very few on this forum lives up to and are not doing:

1) You are not spending a fortune on season tickets (imagine paying to watch Ibrahimovic just to see him transfer. Rah).

2) You are not sitting in a bus for three hours and standing in the rain for another two only to have your team not bother to show up, with you being forced to travel back another three hours fuming with rage and disappointment (now that shit is real).

3) You are not going to work or the shop the day after a derby with a bunch of Milanistas gloating in your face (I doubt the american crew of real interistas are having heated debates about soccer at work with a pissy co-worker, sorry, but I doubt it).

4) You are not travelling to 10-15 away games each season and investing as much time in it as the team itself (many of you crack open a bag of chips and watch the game on tele followed by a quick log on, maybe even travel down for a few matches each year, but let's not kid ourselfes; it-is-not-the-same).


If you are not doing any of these things you can not truly know what it feels to be very concerned about very real things going on in your very real day to day life. You can pretend that you do, but it would be as fake as me pretending I'm all up in flames over Brittney Spears being slandered in the media.

You have basically let yourself become this:

[youtube]kHmvkRoEowc[/youtube]

And oh my...it is not pretty... :yuck::smileani:

i think u have just killed of 90% of the fans here......globalisation and marketing is a big part of sport nowadays...and for you to give examples like that with a club expecially like inter is irrelevant...based upon how the club came about and what its beliefs are...

 

[Handoyo]

Good, take it to the PMs, Adam & vito.

By the way, let's carry on the discussion about the Italian Interista >>> International Interista in this thread.

 

[Il Genio]

i think u have just killed of 90% of the fans here......globalisation and marketing is a big part of sport nowadays...and for you to give examples like that with a club expecially like inter is irrelevant...based upon how the club came about and what its beliefs are...

I'm not Italian so I'm not excluding myself dude, I'm just pointing out the hypocracy of pointing fingers and acting like you're as enraged as a local who's dragged his ass through the mud to support Inter.

Unless you meet those credentials you have no right to point fingers at other Interisti fueled by some crazy self-righeous fake hate. The ultras get angry for a reason. When a player lets them down it's more than the club itself, it's time, effort, prestige and money gone to waste. You (and I) are kind of like watching a movie of a love affair whereas they're the one's being the actual characters having to clean up the mess of a bad relationship. It's right there, in their lifes.

Now, if you really wanna emulate what it means to have real anger and frustration connected to the club then I suggest you play on Inter to win for €25 every game, watch the game at your local bar, travel to other towns at away games (the same distance the team does) and have a couple of irritating friend (or beter yet, enemies) come over and rub it in your face every time you lose. Give it six months and you'll be ready to destroy someone effing with your team. That is the closest you are gonna get to having the same frustration as the ultras without actually being one. It's not pretty and it's not the ideal of football and Inter like you say, but it's real and it's understandable. It's a real sense of depravation, depression, bitterness and angst.

I do not hesitate that you're able to be lovingly passionate the same as the locals though; it's only the bitter, envious, hateful, me'n'them-stuff you have to fake. The love for the team I think is pretty much the same regardless of where you come from, and especially if your first experience of the team came as a kid.

Good, take it to the PMs, Adam & vito.

By the way, let's carry on the discussion about the Italian Interista >>> International Interista in this thread.

Do you think you can merge the related posts of this thread to make it easier to continue the debate?

 

[J zanetti]

Ibra speaks on his decision for leaving Inter and some other Barca related things. I love it how he makes it sound like he could of stayed at Inter, and won the Serie A every year by default.

One of the many things I will miss with him is obviously his arrogance. Anyway thanks for the clip.

 

[A.l.i]

Gone is Ibra. Nice discussion here on a true club supporter or a cock 1. I don't give a fuck about him now. He is gone, I care more about what our current players minus the deadwood are doing. I'm not youtubing Zlatan Ibrahimovic and then masturbating.

I only care for Inter thats it.

 

[Luka]

Gone is Ibra. Nice discussion here on a true club supporter or a cock 1. I don't give a fuck about him now. He is gone, I care more about what our current players minus the deadwood are doing.

This is a little funny, as I felt totaly different when zlatan was still our player, but he was almost gone. Right now, I'm very close to how you portrated, I just don't care anymore. Maybe the last actions have a lot to do with it, but anyways I'm not so anxious to see whether Zlatan will succed there or not. Sure I'm anxious to see how it works, but that's pretty much it.

I will probably watch a few games at the beginning of a season, the bigger games and also CL games, but that will be pretty much it.

If we'll buy Sneijder and Cassano (fingers crossed) I could pretty much loose any interest in Zlatan all together. This team will be just too different, many players new to the team, some youngsters, can't be more exciting than this.

 

[Handoyo]

I share your sentiments, Luka & Ali. I think it's unquestionnable that Zlatan's contribution for Inter is a legend but that chapter is now tightly closed in my book. I'm not gonna shed anymore tears or mournfully reminisce the great times we had with Zlatan leading our attack and you're right, a lot of it definitely has to do with the kissing the badge circus that he did right after he left.