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Forum Supporter10 years of FIFSo what your saying Snake, is that even the prominent clubs in the big leagues don't believe a €6m salary is a suitable cost ?
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He would fit perfectly into Liverpools plans. He'd only have to take a small pay cut to play at one of the most popular club and league in the world.
Plus surely he hasn't forgotten how to play football while sitting in the stands ?
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10 years of FIFI think there's a greater chance we give him a golden shower.
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10 years of FIFWes should say no to Galatasaray. And give a :troll: message to MM. Asking for Wes to professionaly move away while we're handling him like an used whore who has no use.. Talking about professionality.
This entire saga makes us look more bad than ever.
MM and co should really learn to handle with players. It seems only Zanetti/Cambiasso and Cordoba are holy sons. While all the others are just whores to throw around with.
If we dealt this situation with more heart and professionalism. I'm quite sure Wes would have agreed to sign the extension or out of respect of the club say yes to a good offer. But this situation
We better use the 10 m for a good injury prone player who has impact.
Also sad that we won't see Wes saying goodbye to us on the pitch.
This entire saga makes us look more bad than ever.
MM and co should really learn to handle with players. It seems only Zanetti/Cambiasso and Cordoba are holy sons. While all the others are just whores to throw around with.
If we dealt this situation with more heart and professionalism. I'm quite sure Wes would have agreed to sign the extension or out of respect of the club say yes to a good offer. But this situation
We better use the 10 m for a good injury prone player who has impact.
Also sad that we won't see Wes saying goodbye to us on the pitch.
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Forum SupporterMost Humorous Member10 years of FIFHaven't seen much of Liverpool so I can't comment on that. However, if I assume that you're right, maybe I should change my statement to "one top club".
What club is going to pay a significant fee for a dude that's been sitting in the stands for four months and can be seen in the same light as an injured player? Why not give him a chance to get back in form and build up his value in the eyes of other clubs in case he doesn't agree to an reduced salary (which he has obviously since rejected)? Can't use the excuse that "he'll get injured again" either, as that's pure speculation. To put it simply, we've fucked up, and both the club and Wes will fail to part ways with dignity, sadly.
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10 years of FIF^ Ma man! :heart:
Fuck the management. Dey all a bunch of cunts to me now. :work:
lol @ certain individuals on FIF, who keep brown nosing them lowlives.
No ones asking you to support a club run by cunts.
I thought the triplete bandwagon is over by now anyway. Why you still here?
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Forum Supporter10 years of FIFThat's an example of a team I thought of off the top of my head.
When a 'world class' player is put on the table at a bargin price, you'd think it would attract more than just one club from Turkey don't you think ?! This is not the first time a player of this caliber has been 'squeezed' out by a top club.
You can look at it like this: If he took a pay-cut, he could have played as much as he liked to 'build-up his value', then he could still have forced a transfer in January or end of season to a prominent club that would be willing to pay his salary.
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Forum Supporter10 years of FIFTBH, Liverpool do need someone like him, but where you play him with Gerrard is an interesting question. As we know, Wes doesnt functional so well in deeper midfield, playing a more Motta/etc role. Where you need to play him is exactly where Gerrard plays and still does quite well.
In terms of the midfield, though, they would be improved by getting rid of Allen, but I don't see Gerrard dropping back so happily necessarily.
Also, he'd have to take quite a large pay cut. They're trying to avoid splashing out so much money on people - especially after the whole Carroll farce - and I think with the signing of Sturridge, its unlikely they will have much money to spend. Dalglish squandered most of it on Downing, Henderson, etc - and large wages associated.
The signing on fee is a very football manager thing as far as I'm aware. From what I've read, the only time a player reasonably expects a signing on fee is, for example, when moving on a Bosman transfer (for example Sol Campbell got his entire "potential" transfer fee as a signing on fee, instead of the money going to Tottenham"). From what I understand - may be wrong - signing on fees generally do not exist.
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Forum Supporter10 years of FIFNot looking at this from the club point of view but Wesley's point of view. Clearly, it's all about the money for him isn't it ?
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Transfer GuruBut there is more to this - if Sneijder had taken a pay cut, his transfer value would have risen dramatically. Assuming he signs a 4 year contract with his new club, the proposed 2 million pay cut would have inflated his transfer fee by 14-16m!!
I know the Inter management make a lot of mistakes, but they are not as stupid as some make them out to be. Ditto Sneijder, he took a big risk to inflate his wages at his future club, the lower the transfer fee, the higher the wages... its all inter-connected.
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Forum Supporter10 years of FIFAgents ! You think they just earn fees from their clients ?!
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Forum Supporter10 years of FIFYeah from his POV it makes sense, playing regularly and getting better package elsewhere.
I'm sorry but how will him taking pay cut will increase his transfer value. What I4E said was sort of true, from Sneijder's pov it would have made sense as he could have commanded bigger wages elsewhere, but how will taking wage cut increase the transfer value. Inter wanted Sneijder to take pay cut AT INTER, which doesn't mean he would have taken the same pay cut at his new club too.
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Signing on fee exists, that's how clubs pay the players when they don't want to break the wage structure.
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Gerrard is capable of playing deeper and he doesn't have legs to play as AM as he is not the same Gerrard he was few years ago. He played most games as CM. So Sneijder can easily play in the Liverpool set up but they won't pay so much for him for sure.
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10 years of FIFAs fan it's fair to question their competence though..
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Forum SupporterMost Humorous Member10 years of FIFI can't recall many situations where a player has been banished to the stands for not reducing his wages, but it might just be that my memory is fucked
That's true, but Wes obviously didn't want to do that, which he is fully within his right to do. He shouldn't be punished by the club for adhering to the requirements of his current contract, as he hasn't done anything wrong at all. The club surely could have worked this better, since we're the dumb cunts who gave him the extravagant deal in the first place. This whole thing should have been avoided, and the club could have maximised Wes' value both on the pitch for the team and in the market.
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10 years of FIFTransfer GuruWhen a player accepts a pay cut, just like in case of an employee, the new wages defines his market value. Unless we are talking about a young player is great form, or a player a buying club is desperate for, it is very rare that a buying club will offer wages which are anywhere close to 50% above the player's current wages.
I have explained this before, so I will not go into details again. But for a club, the only figure of significance in a transfer is the "total annual cost" of the player, from a P&L pov and from FFP pov. Not the transfer fee. For example, in a 5 year contract, say with a 10m transfer fee and 6m net wages, the total annual cost is:
1. Amortised transfer fee per annum = 10/5 = 2m
2. Gross wages per annum (assuming Italy style 50% tax rate) = 12m
Thats 14m of annual costs that hit the P&L.
Now if Sneijder takes a wage cut to 4m, his gross wages become 8m. That frees up 6m of annual costs for transfer fee, which in a 5 year contract equate to 30m!
So lower wages do impact transfer fee negotiations and vice-versa, in a very big way. Which is why Inter were so desperate to reduce Sneijder's wages, and which is also why Sneijder took such a stand.