Mercato Team (Ausilio, Marotta, & Co.) and Strategies

crzdcolombian said:

The fan boys here are really annoying and stupid.

Who in our MF is Hamsik or Vidal quality. Our Defense? Who do we have up Top. It's one thing to be a fan and another to bullshit yourself thinking we have a shot at winning the title or are anywhere near Juve right now.

We have the same exact team as last year plus Camp + 2 sub strikers !!!

We tried so hard to get rid of Alvarez, Guarin and Jonathon and they are now our starters but we are magically a different team? With 1 new starter? Seriously !!!!

Now some asshole can reply with a stupid smiley face and get 10 thanks.....

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:slick: :slick: :slick: Exactly. And many of FIF people think Mazzarri can magically make some of our youngsters into superstars of Cavani and Hamšik stature. Don't expect too much - don't expect anything right now... so you'll see what is Mazzarri actually doing and what are his achievements at Inter.

And we don't have any Hamšik or Vidal quality midfielders. But we hope. We hope Kovačić will become a great player (getting to that IMO), we hope Guarin will beast every game, we hope this is Alvarez's year, we hope Taider is the next best thing in our midfield... we'll see. But yeah, we can't win anything this year, at least not until some people start showing more than just potential...

JJM said:

We have a real coach who finished 2 last season although he had Cavani and Hamsik that we don't have(speaking about quality here)but Mazzarri made Hamsik and Cavani what they are today and I'm sure he can make Kova,Icardi,Belfo and the other kids strong like those two.
We have only Serie A to focus this season and that is an advantage

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Ummm what?.. Hamsik was already quality before Mazzari joined and is off to a flying start this season in his absence. Cavani was always going to be quality regardless of his coach. You're giving absolutely no credit to these player's innate ability just to make the coach look good.. That's like saying Pep was the reason Messi has won 4 Balon D'ors or scored like 90 goals in a year.

but I won't bother with someone who calls one of the better coaches in Serie A a maniac

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Being one of the better coaches in Serie A is hardly an accomplishment these days.

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I4E said:

We have started off the season playing ok. Mazzarri is a manager that has a clearer idea and focus on how he wants the team to play and this is evident from his previous years and different clubs. I'd be surprised if we are still playing just 'ok' at the halfway mark of the season.

The team may not be ideally resourced, but it's adequately resourced. Now it's about seeing, that over the course of the next few months, we are improving to play at a level that is competitive.

Mazzarri hasn't settled his team yet but you can clearly see he is shaping a preferred 11 while developing them to play his style. Unlike last season where we were changing formations and starting 11's almost weekly.

I have no doubt that within the first half of the season we'll be playing a fair bit better than ok.

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That all depends on if FIF determines playing ok as winning no matter how bad we actually played or by us actually playing well no matter what the result.

Let's get some shit straight about Mazzarri:

1) He isn't responsible for Cavani's goalscoring prowess. Matador was always a striker, and there's a reason he was evaluated with such a high price. Worth noting Benitez also wanted him. He would've scored regardless of where he went, maybe even more at Inter under Rafa and receiving consistent service from our midfield (in the 2010-11 season of course).

2) He is not responsible for revitalizing Napoli. The credit goes to Edy Reja, who's seriously underrated for what he's done in Italian football. Pushed Napoli up from Serie C1 to Serie A in 2 consecutive seasons, and in his first season with the Partenopei in Serie A qualified for the UEFA Cup. If anything Mazzarri had worse results than Reja, considering that he had a much stronger squad. And Reja implemented the 3-5-2 at Napoli.

3) He has played a style at Napoli and Sampdoria that is counterattacking and reliant on individual brilliance, although it appears he's looking to create some form of possession attacking football at Inter. He's not renowned to be a great tactician, but we've seen a massive improvement of performance compared to our tenure under Stramaccioni.

pencilpal said:

Let's get some shit straight about Mazzarri:

1) He isn't responsible for Cavani's goalscoring prowess. Matador was always a striker, and there's a reason he was evaluated with such a high price. Worth noting Benitez also wanted him. He would've scored regardless of where he went, maybe even more at Inter under Rafa and receiving consistent service from our midfield (in the 2010-11 season of course).

2) He is not responsible for revitalizing Napoli. The credit goes to Edy Reja, who's seriously underrated for what he's done in Italian football. Pushed Napoli up from Serie C1 to Serie A in 2 consecutive seasons, and in his first season with the Partenopei in Serie A qualified for the UEFA Cup. If anything Mazzarri had worse results than Reja, considering that he had a much stronger squad. And Reja implemented the 3-5-2 at Napoli.

3) He has played a style at Napoli and Sampdoria that is counterattacking and reliant on individual brilliance, although it appears he's looking to create some form of possession attacking football at Inter. He's not renowned to be a great tactician, but we've seen a massive improvement of performance compared to our tenure under Stramaccioni.

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Thank you. Been talking that for ages, especially about Edu Reja. it was Reja and De Laurentis money that made napoli what they are, NOT Mazzarri, at least not mazzarri alone.

Him and Napoli was the perfect match, team that player 3 at the back for ages, and manager who implements it pretty well. He had time, money, confidence from DeLa, and did well. Here, doesn't have money nor that much time to build the team whos not even used to 3 at the back.

Tho, he does seem to have clear ideas and the players look motivated under him. But let's see, the time will tell.

KevinB said:

I would not have a clue at this moment. Could be Roma, could be Lazio if they make points against small teams, could be Bbilan. Fact is, our team needs to develop. And to play for Cl spots, we definitely need improvement on Lwb/Rwb and definitely another midfielder of class.

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If you have no clue if its Lazio, Roma or Bilan then why do you think we are behind one of these teams? If they are all on the same level, we should either be behind them all or behind none.

In my opinion, we are behind JuBe and Napoli and on level with Viola, Bilan and Lazio.

Nyall said:

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good to know that you enjoyed that one. but i wasn't even trying to make a joke. okerface:

Malacaxeta said:

If you have no clue if its Lazio, Roma or Bilan then why do you think we are behind one of these teams? If they are all on the same level, we should either be behind them all or behind none.

In my opinion, we are behind JuBe and Napoli and on level with Viola, Bilan and Lazio.

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1 word : Quality.

But we shall see.

Jonathan and Ricky. :notbad:

Branca's signings just takes 2 years before you see the results.

Next season Pereira will be bossing

IRR26 said:

Jonathan and Ricky. :notbad:

Branca's signings just takes 2 years before you see the results.

Next season Pereira will be bossing

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Don't forget Schelotto once he's back from the loan!

what the actual fuck, who the fuck says that cavani was a striker? he was a fucking winger.

My god, you can hate all you want on mazzari but saying it was edu reja who made napoli its fucking MORONIC , its stupid, I know you hate Mazzari Pajo but what the actual fuck.

who the fuck took Napoli seriously when Reja was a coach, i won't get into stats for players , but its clear as day that mazzari was a key factor for the development of Cavani, Hamsik and Lavezzi

Not Lavezzi.

Tho, i never mentioned players or whatever, it was pencilpal. All i said is that he wasn't the only guy responsible for Napolis rise, it started with Reja, and De Laurentis. As I said, it was the perfect match, Napoli and Mazzarri. He only continued Rejas job, and tbh, did great, never said otherwise.

Pajo said:

Not Lavezzi.

Tho, i never mentioned players or whatever, it was pencilpal. All i said is that he wasn't the only guy responsible for Napolis rise, it started with Reja, and De Laurentis. As I said, it was the perfect match, Napoli and Mazzarri. He only continued Rejas job, and tbh, did great, never said otherwise.

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I know I might have over reacted but it was more due to that others post..

anyway, mazzari did an AMAZING job with Napoli, he made them a team, knew what he wanted.. he is a great manager tbh, and might be just what we needed

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also will anyone open the last day mercatto thread?

PimpinAintEasy said:

what the actual fuck, who the fuck says that cavani was a striker? he was a fucking winger.

My god, you can hate all you want on mazzari but saying it was edu reja who made napoli its fucking MORONIC , its stupid, I know you hate Mazzari Pajo but what the actual fuck.

who the fuck took Napoli seriously when Reja was a coach, i won't get into stats for players , but its clear as day that mazzari was a key factor for the development of Cavani, Hamsik and Lavezzi

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Lets make sure we're all on the same page: A STRIKER ISN'T THE SAME THING AS A CF. Is Wayne Rooney a winger in your books? Because in mine, he can be called a striker.

Perhaps there's a difference of opinion concerning footballing terminology. And admittedly, perhaps I should've used the word "forward" instead to be clearer.

And who gives a shit if you or anyone else didn't take Napoli seriously before Mazzarri? Fact is, Reja built that squad, implemented the formation, and did amazing things with a team that wasn't so good on paper.

I mean, shit, he definitely did better than Mazzarri, considering the difference of quality in the attack and wings between the two squads. And remember that he qualified for Europe in his first season in Serie A with Napoli. The same placing on the table as Mazzarri with Napoli in 2011/12 .

Plus Hamsik and Lavezzi developed UNDER REJA, and Cavani was always going to become the goalscorer that he was, regardless of Mazzarri coaching him or not. In fact, he frequently played as a CF in a strike partnership with Miccoli ahead of Pastore (who was the trequarista) at Palermo, and had scored 10+ goals the year before he was transferred to Napoli.

Additionally, Hamsik arrived at the Campania based club in 2007, and was an INTEGRAL part of the team right from his debut season. Same with Lavezzi. So they certainly didn't "develop" under Mazzarri.

Also, please explain why Fabio fucking Capello praised the work of Reja at Napoli, and why the fans respect him MUCH more than Mazzarri?

For heavens sake, there have been very popular Neapolitan pop songs composed in his honour (!). Also, when he was the coach of Lazio, in the match against Napoli in the Stadio San Paolo, the curva saluted him at the beginning of the match, and he had to greet them. Moreover, the ultras continued to praise him with chants throughout the match.

So in Italy, I'd say Reja is much more respected than Mazzarri, regardless of what you or I personally think.

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Here's the song. Took me a while to find the link, but here it is. I'd advise you to cover your ears btw. The singer is absolute shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WlVFJrwVsY

pencipal said:

Additionally, Hamsik arrived at the Campania based club in 2007, and was an INTEGRAL part of the team right from his debut season. Same with Lavezzi. So they certainly didn't "develop" under Mazzarri.

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I won't argue about Reja/Napoli/Mazzari connection, because I simply don't give a fuck about them considering Napoli.

However, you should agree that Lavezzi/Cavani/Hamsik have developed under Mazzarri. It doesn't matter how long they were at a specific club, they had their best development under Mazzarri. Cavani, was a striker. Fact. But Mazzarri has a claim in his development to this star striker he is right now. Same as developping Hamsik to a class attacking midfielder.

You could say like; Guarin has been here for 3 years. He's been developped by Stramaccioni, and would not develop under Mazzarri. Or for example Jonathan. He was here under Gasperini, Ranieri, Strama. So he was developped by Strama? Gasperini?

No matter how long a player plays for a team. He can always develop under a new trainer/New style/new team. And Mazzarri certainly helped developping Cavani, Lavezzi and Hamsik

KevinB said:

I won't argue about Reja/Napoli/Mazzari connection, because I simply don't give a fuck about them considering Napoli.

However, you should agree that Lavezzi/Cavani/Hamsik have developed under Mazzarri. It doesn't matter how long they were at a specific club, they had their best development under Mazzarri. Cavani, was a striker. Fact. But Mazzarri has a claim in his development to this star striker he is right now. Same as developping Hamsik to a class attacking midfielder.

You could say like; Guarin has been here for 3 years. He's been developped by Stramaccioni, and would not develop under Mazzarri. Or for example Jonathan. He was here under Gasperini, Ranieri, Strama. So he was developped by Strama? Gasperini?

No matter how long a player plays for a team. He can always develop under a new trainer/New style/new team. And Mazzarri certainly helped developping Cavani, Lavezzi and Hamsik

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Ok. Well, lets look at this statistically speaking.

Marek Hamsik

2007/08 - 34 app, 9 goals, 3 assists

2008/09 - 35 app, 10 goals, 6 assists

Edy Reja leaves as manager of Napoli

2009/10 - 37 app, 12 goals, 5 assists

Walter Mazzarri arrives at Napoli

2010/11 - 38 app, 11 goals, 6 assists

So did Mazzarri make a considerable impact at Hamsik's career? No. The statistics are very similar to those under Donadoni, while if you compare his first with his second year at Napoli (both under Napoli), you can see that there's a serious difference, especially creatively speaking (twice the number of assists!).

Statistics don't say everything. Hamsik's playing style has improved under Mazzarri's. He became much more of the key on the midfield.

Ezequiel Lavezzi

2007/08 - 34 app, 8 goals, 8 assists

2008/09 - 31 app, 9 goals, 8 assists

Edy Reja leaves as manager of Napoli

2009/10 - 28 app, 8 goals, 6 assists

Walter Mazzarri arrives at Napoli

2010/11 - 31 app, 6 goals, 12 assists

Now while it appears as if Lavezzi burst into life at Napoli, its important to realize that the assist statistic dramatically increased because the team had a striker who could actually finish well (compared to their previous options in Quagliarella and before that, German Denis). The performances didn't really improve, its just that the CF was much more efficient, and you can even notice that Lavezzi's goal statistic decreased, so if anything, he got worse under Mazzarri (because he isn't naturally a creative player).

pencilpal said:

Ok. Well, lets look at this statistically speaking.

Marek Hamsik

2007/08 - 34 app, 9 goals, 3 assists

2008/09 - 35 app, 10 goals, 6 assists

Edy Reja leaves as manager of Napoli

2009/10 - 37 app, 12 goals, 5 assists

Walter Mazzarri arrives at Napoli

2010/11 - 38 app, 11 goals, 6 assists

So did Mazzarri make a considerable impact at Hamsik's career? No. The statistics are very similar to those under Donadoni, while if you compare his first with his second year at Napoli (both under Napoli), you can see that there's a serious difference, especially creatively speaking (twice the number of assists!).

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Where do you get your statistics from?

Marek Hamsik
Under Reja

2007 - 2009

Apps 119 Including Europe + Coppa
Goals 35
Assists 17

Donadoni

2009 - 2010

Apps 49
Goals 13
Assists 9

Mazzarri

2010 - 2013

Apps 101
Goals 36
Assists 37

Here. Statistics. Under less games he scored 1 goal more and managed to get 20 assists more.

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pencilpal said:

so if anything, he got worse under Mazzarri (because he isn't naturally a creative player).

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Have you even seen Lavezzi under Mazzarri and under Reja?

Lavezzi never was the creative force under neither of them. But he stood out because of his work power, his determination and progress. There's a reason why we and PSG were after him while he was playing under Mazzarri. Yet again, he has more assists.

Pencilpal the new browha, but he's not always right,,

What the fuck are you doing?

You need to omit Europe for a non biased analysis, because some of the seasons shown don't include Europe, and the quality of the opposition, especially the teams in the qualifying stages, is laughable. So those statistics can't be trusted.

And you're fucking comparing his statistics earlier in his career to those when he's in the prime of his career.

That's fucking hilarious, to even expect that the stats in his early days would be worse.

Honestly, have you even studied math?

A comparison between the 08/09, 09/10, and 10/11 seasons, all omitting European competitions, would be the only fair non biased analysis.

So that's all simply bullshit in my view.

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KevinB said:

Have you even seen Lavezzi under Mazzarri and under Reja?

Lavezzi never was the creative force under neither of them. But he stood out because of his work power, his determination and progress. There's a reason why we and PSG were after him while he was playing under Mazzarri. Yet again, he has more assists.

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He wasn't a creative force. I know that, of course.

What I meant to say is that he only improved creatively on paper.

But you fail to realize that is a statistical anomaly, because obviously any secondary striker would get more assists when he has a CF ahead of him who has a relatively high efficiency rate compared to Quagliarella and Denis.

So give me a fucking break. There wasn't any substantial improvement, in my eyes. And note that his goals decreased under Mazzarri.