Luciano Spalletti

Because we are talking about overhauling the current crop of midfielders, that alone marks the previous selection wrong unless we actually aimed to have their career span to be merely 1-2 year.

I don’t agree that was ever the case considering most people here thought Nainggolan could play at least 3 years of top flight football, which I have always marked as absurdity from day 1.

Just because other options could be wrong, they don’t have the current chosen one as right. It’s not a relative matter here we are talking about here in terms of squad building. If they are all wrong choices, then I have already mentioned, that is a separate matter and whoever provided these choices, should be held accountable as well as Spaletti.

I might be a bit harsh on Spaletti, but that’s because I don’t believe in the fact that anyone from the management ever forced Nainggolan on Spaletti, holding a knife by his neck or something. I firmly believe Spaletti did indeed chose Nainggolan as his first choice.

Wallace said:

And he picked the wrong ones regardless of what options there are. It’s the results that counts here.

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Well, if the list was Pastore, Rafinha, Biglia, Dembele, Radja and Vecino (ofc I dont know it either, just picking players with same price range based on the rumours), Spalletti chose the last two... well, buddy, cant say he was wrong. Scouting is not his job.

Kramerica Industries said:

We're in third place and on pace to pick up fewer points this season than we did last season. That's not improvement on our end; that's regression on our rivals' end.

Here's a stat for you - in our last 55 games, we've picked up 91 points. That's a 63 point pace in a 38 game season. In our blackout era, we averaged 59 points per season. That level of "improvement" is so marginal that it barely registers as being notable.

Of course you can't take away the first 16 games of last season, but they are also the furthest back in the books. That level of form is long gone and shown no sustained signs of coming back. And what we've been left with is basically no better than the results we got under our assorted managers between 2011-2017. So, you know, I'm not impressed by our 3rd place standing, at all.

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I personally am indifferent as to whether Spaletti stays or leaves at the end of the season. There are strong arguments for both options. What I am more interested to see is whether our owners are willing to spend in the transfer market, and whether our management has the capacity to create a winning team. For the past few years, the answer has been negative for both cases.

Regarding Spaletti, I stand by my opinion from his first season here: he is a good coach, he has a gameplan that he tries to implement (with mixed results), and he is good at preparing games against tough oposition (our results against top teams in Serie A stand for this). However, imo his biggest drawbacks are his in-game management (abyssal at times) and his sometimes exxagerated ego, pretty obvious from his public statements. Perhaps Sabatini is right when saying that Spaletti's biggest drawback is his own fear (or something like that; and perhaps it explains his subpar in-game management and reactions).

However, regarding your post mate, it needs to be pointed out that for the majority of this season, imo we have had a SIGNIFICANTLY weaker first team compared to the second half of last season. Not only do we lack players that can create chances out of nothing like Rafinha and Cancelo, but our two mainstays of last season- Icardi and Perisic- have been extremely weak compared to last year. The depth of the squad is better, but we also had European competitions this year, public scandals, and injuries at key moments. So that kind of nullifies this advantage. Plus our bench isn't exactly comprised of gamechangers.

So I am personally not sure whether he deserves to stay or go. Based purely on standings- he deserves to stay (pending of course on the results in these remaining games). Based on his potential for taking this team to a better spot from next year on, I don't know. I don't have the technical knowledge to judge this; so I guess we'll have to trust that our management knows better, and that unlike in the past, they have some vision on how to bring this team back to the top.

But again, this will be extremely difficult regardless of who coaches us next season, if our owners won't invest.

What rain said except for the perisic thing guy was already inconsistent last season.

When it comes to firing spallo or not i think it s not as black and white as people make it out to be. As in i dont think we need to fire him but neither do i think that he has to stay for another season. First of he has achieved his minimum goals so firing him does not seem to be urgent.
That being said our improvement basically stalled since october and i d say we re almost back to where we were under mancini which is sad. Plus he obviously fucked up his man management which puts another big question mark behind him, should we spend big bucks on players for a coach who has a history of clashing with his biggest stars(derossi/Totti/Hulk/Icardi)?

Imho we have to see whats available in summer if we can persuade(and afford) a big name to come here than by all means fire Spallo and get him. So i do think we should be looking at Mou and even Conte even though i hate his guts and see what they would want to earn and what their visions for our club would be. If they are interested and have a good plan than fuck spallo and get em.

On the other hand there really is no reason to fire spallo and then just see what s on the market and end up with another gamble ala giampaolo .

Rain said:

I personally am indifferent as to whether Spaletti stays or leaves at the end of the season. There are strong arguments for both options. What I am more interested to see is whether our owners are willing to spend in the transfer market, and whether our management has the capacity to create a winning team. For the past few years, the answer has been negative for both cases.

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This. I have been saying pretty much this.

There is no urgency to sack Spalletti, he is doing pretty much what we got him here to do. We will need a better coach when we are ready to start challenging for the title. But the key here is the investment. There is no SA constraint now, and if we are in the CL again there should be enough leeway for Suning to make that big investment they have been talking about. There are no excuses now, and I want to see whether Suning will walk their talk. Their intent will be clear this summer.

If there is no big investment, sacking Spalletti now or even next summer will be moot. If there is big investment, then we need to keep our eye out for a world class coach now or in 12 months time. And Marotta needs to take charge of the big investment and not just buy the players Spalletti requests, but invest to build a squad that can challenge for the title in 2 years time.

Devious said:

07 Nov 18, 01:01

I know this is not gona be a famous opinion specially now after all if these positive results.

I appreciate what Spalletti has done so far, I dont even think any other coach in the world could have done better helping us reaching 4th spot and playing CL this year, we are second in the league now and about 3 points away from the CL knockout stage.

But every phase has its own requirements, if we want to reach the next level and start seriously dreaming of silverware, of course and as we agree we need a quality midfielder and a better player here and there, but the fact is Spalletti is not the man for a higher level, because simply he doesn't take chances, imho he's too afraid to have the initiative to take decisions that could change the game, he only decides to play with two strikers in the last 6 minutes, and it's amazingly coincidences us scoring a goal and not conceeding more nonetheless? This can't be luck, this is what bigger and smarter coaches who dare to take chances normally do, but they tend to do it early in the game.

I want a crazy coach who'd field 4 FWs in the last 30 minutes to win the game, cause Spalletti is far from a crazy coach, he's not a winner, just a safe bet-er. Inter is bigger than that. I seriously doubt if he's gona change despite Handanovic hinting this flow in the team's characteristics that only reflects the coach's mentality. But if we're not going to be more vicious and daring in our approach of the big games, then not even players like Hazard or De Bruyen would help us win silverware.

This is a simple look into the future, we cant let him go now or even next year, but even if Spalletti stayed for five or seven years, he wouldn't win silverware, even if we bought superstars.

We've been through a lot, and reached this far, I hope Zhang jr does a Moratti 2008 and says goodbye to the 2018 Mancini, and brings us the coach that Inter deserves.

It's merely an overview, and I wish before anyone of you that I'll eat my own words, but hopefully this year or the next at best, otherwise we'll be wasting time and talents in the hands of the wrong coach in the wrong phase.

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I see some people are lost and undecided, here's a look at the past to keep track of how consistent Spalletti is, this opinion wasn't popular back then because we had a good run, but as you can see, Spalletti won't change into a big winner coach cause he's stubborn with no imagination, simple as that, same mistakes over and over and over, his stubbornness and temper divided the locker room, similar shit that happened in previous teams he has coached.

Anyway, he's not meant for the big stage, he's only here for a transition period. This is the fact we should have established by now.

At the end of the day it only relies on Suning's intentions, if they want silverware and ready to spend, then obviously Spalletti is first to go, if Suning satisfied with the current team status, then Spalletti to stay with few cheap reinforcements good enough to secure 3rd-2nd place next year and an ambitious CL ound of 16 appearance.

Bluenine said:

This. I have been saying pretty much this.

There is no urgency to sack Spalletti, he is doing pretty much what we got him here to do. We will need a better coach when we are ready to start challenging for the title. But the key here is the investment. There is no SA constraint now, and if we are in the CL again there should be enough leeway for Suning to make that big investment they have been talking about. There are no excuses now, and I want to see whether Suning will walk their talk. Their intent will be clear this summer.

If there is no big investment, sacking Spalletti now or even next summer will be moot. If there is big investment, then we need to keep our eye out for a world class coach now or in 12 months time. And Marotta needs to take charge of the big investment and not just buy the players Spalletti requests, but invest to build a squad that can challenge for the title in 2 years time.

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Would it not be a clear sign of intent if they d sack spallo and get a true WC coach? Like why cant part of the big investment not be into the coach?
Also what if we spend big bucks on a player and it ends like it did with Hulk/totti/Icardi/Derossi?

Suning won't do the things the majority here expects... They have no intention on spending too much green in to top players or a top coach.
But u guys keep blaming the employees not the owners...
Also fuck their micro management
They have no clue about football ffs

But if Spallo is fired... We shouldn't get an Italian coach... MOU back here would be great, fuck Cunte and Allegri
Cunte's football is so fucking boring to watch... Fuck
I don't see him as an improvement over Spallo much sorry...
Read that of 185 times Allegri made 180 different formations at Rube... Madman
Pochettino is a good coach too but he is a God at Spurs
I like Giampaolo but he would probably fail with his football at Inter
There are not many options for us tbh

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JJM said:

Suning won't do the things the majority here expects... They have no intention on spending too much green in to top players or a top coach.
But u guys keep blaming the employees not the owners...
Also fuck their micro management
They have no clue about football ffs

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So do you think that spallo is doing the best he possibly could with this current roster ? He s on target in terms of where we are in the standings.
But in terms of Gameplan, team mentality and tactics this season has been a disaster and rather a step back than a step forward.

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So do you think that spallo is doing the best he possibly could with this current roster ? He s on target in terms of where we are in the standings.
But in terms of Gameplan, team mentality and tactics this season has been a disaster and rather a step back than a step forward.

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Yes but... It's a question of...
Icardi and Perisic were better last season
This season they decided to be drama queens.. They can fuck off for this
Rafi was performing better than Radja this season... Truth is that They are both injury prone fucks tho
No Cancelo, ok Dumbo is doing his best but he isn't doing as good as Cancelo was doing for us.
Yes we played better last season, more dangerous but because of the key players not because Spallo lost his head.
You plan ur tactics if certain players just don't have the necessary quality, or grinta or other shit to do better...
I'd be happy to see Mou back but only if Suning splashed for good players or else what's the point of changing coaches... If the squad stays pretty much the same
Yes Spallo didn't win anything significant in his career, never even had a team to do it,he always settled for 2nd best in Italy, maybe too late for him at this point to get a wining mentality
Dunno hard to say
Mou would be an improvement for me because he has wining in his blood
At United he had a lot of goofballs tho and they let him down. Still won some cups there tho

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JJM said:

Yes but... It's a question of...
Icardi and Perisic were better last season
This season they decided to be drama queens.. They can fuck off for this
Rafi was performing better than Radja this season... Truth is that They are both injury prone fucks tho
No Cancelo, ok Dumbo is doing his best but he isn't doing as good as Cancelo was doing for us.
Yes we played better last season, more dangerous but because of the key players not because Spallo lost his head.
You plan ur tactics if certain players just don't have the necessary quality, or grinta or other shit to do better...
I'd be happy to see Mou back but only if Suning splashed for good players or else what's the point of changing coaches... If the squad stays pretty much the same
Yes Spallo didn't win anything significant in his career, never even had a team to do it,he always settled for 2nd best in Italy, maybe too late for him at this point to get a wining mentality
Dunno hard to say
Mou would be an improvement for me because he has wining in his blood
At United he had a lot of goofballs tho and they let him down. Still won some cups there tho

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Yeah i generally agree with you and i dont really blame spallo for never winning in italy cause he never had a real chance to do so.
I guess where we differ in opinion is that I think spallo is as much responsible for that Icardi Perisic debacle as the two guys involved are. Imho it s the job of the coach to keep the team united and motivated and he clearly failed.

Also remember what Mou did when his two big signings in mancini and quaresma failed? He fucken switched tactics and made it work with the players that were already in the squad.
Also i disagree with the last years squad was better nobody would have said last summer that rafinha is a better player than radja and he is not radja has shown way more then rafinha in his career so to say rafinha is the better player is hilarious. And lets not forget we only had Rafinha and Cancelo for the second half of the season and if i remember correctly they both only performed well from feb onwards. On top of that Borzo was still the useless arm swinger in the first half of last season. On top of all that we still had eder as our backup CF and rano as our backup CB and at Lb we had to play either dambro or fucken santon.
On what planet was that squad better when you look at the entire season cause it had Cancelo and rafi for half a season? Therefor no decent LB no good backup CF and up till december not a single midfielder that could actually play a pass.
I mean look at how people now react to brozo being out as if we re doomed. Remember that last season we basically played without him till december or lets say we played with the old shit version of him.


Anyways i m not saying he has to go but he sure as hell did not do a good enough job for his job to be secure. As i said before we should look around and look whats available if a better coach is available and affordable by all means go for it.

JJM, I know you are a Spalletti fan, but really can you say that after 2 years, you see a real progress in our game! Because for me, it stagnated!
I am with you that Icardi and Perisic are worse and we cannot replace Cancelo and Rafi! Vrsalijko and N9 are downgrades. On the other side we have a deeper squad!

I was for Spalletti hiring 2 years ago. I still think he is a good coach! But there are 2 things he used to do earlier but I didn't see here:

1. Flexibility. I know him from his Udinese days. He used to play on his players strengths. Even last year he played 3-4-3 a good portion because was best suited for his team. Here is the same variation of 4-2-3-1/4-3-3, even if it doesn't work. I had more respect for his try at Torino when he played with 3-CB. Ok, it didn't work but at least he tried.

2. Player development. Skrniar is a success. But in the same time I believe he kinda ruined the career of Mario and Gags. Both can play much better than the playing time they received. Neither of them can acquire any consistency because they are dropped even when they play good. It's a kind of nepotism than Vecino receive so many minutes and other rot on the bench. Keita the same.
Lautaro was lucky with Icardi saga, otherwise 5 minutes per game.

I am sorry Spalletti received his chance for 2 years. Maybe it's time to move on!

As a neutral on spalletti I will attempt to break it down. I don't think the preference for Vecino is nepotism, but rather his insistence on creating offense from the wings. Vecino is in fact a good aerial threat, but it often requires brozovic our best playmaker to sit way deeper than he should. Spalletti is ok with this risk because we're tough to beat at the back. Vecino sadly has fallen ass backwards into a free role that only the best players in the world are afforded. By choosing vecino over gagliardini, spalletti is essentially banking on a lower percentage way to score goals. With gagliardini, we maintain our shape consistently, and it allows brozovic to player higher where his passing can make a difference. Knowing that no matter who plays between vecino or gags, we do not have the players to make that killer final pass or turn the defence a la sneijder, Spalletti is putting his eggs in one basket. Now, if politano and perisic were better players, we wouldn't be having this discussion, but they are what they are. It's becoming more and more evident that Radja is the odd man out in this system, not because of his quality, but because he is not suited to his role. Hes basically there for a cracking shot and a volley, and his lack of skill in that department is no fault of his own. In sum, if you are unsatisfied with inters play, then the blame should fall on spalletti as well as the players. Blaming spalletti implies the players are good, and blaming the players implies spalletti is good

I agree with you, but also this is my point. The lack of flexibilty (and Spalletti used to be flexible in his Udinese or Roma days). He put all the eggs in one basket, even if we don't have the players for his system (N9 is too slow for AM, Vecino low IQ too play the free role, our wingers cannot dribble and take off the opposite side backs. Politano from time to time can do that).

But Spalletti had no Plan B, when his tactics doesn't work. And that happened many times.
For example with Roma he put Lautaro in and basically we played a 4-4-2. That allowed us an extra man to block one of their CB and so Perisic was able to score, because we had numerical superiority. Than he put Keita in and played his 4-2-1-3 as usual with Mario as AM and Keita as LW. Why he didn't play 4-4-2 with Keita as SS and Mario as LM. A more suited style for their qualities.
There were not once suggestions for 4-4-2 with Mario as LM and one of Poli, Keita or Lautaro upfront with Icardi. That is just an example.

Another complain is playing time for the kids. There were a few games like Genoa away when at 4-0 he could give a few minutes to Colidio or Salcedo. No, he used the same Candreva or papa Valero!

Spot on. Some of his substitutions have given me the impression that he already had them in his head and didnt change according to tempo. As for the 442, he is reluctant to try it because we lose "balance" but our defensive solidity is what allows Vecino to play wherever he wants. I didnt expect spalletti to deliver a scudetto and, every coach was a loser before he was a winner, but man he needs to get more out of nainggolan and a way to play icardi and lautaro together for me to have faith in 19/20.

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Di Marzio says that Spalletti has good chances to stay at Inter...

Wouldn't mind that. Just don't listen to his transfermarket suggestions.

Yeah can't see any reason why we shouldn't keep him, think his style of play is modern and he's reached both minimum objectives (counting on us coming third).

Toninu said:

Yeah can't see any reason why we shouldn't keep him

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Keeping Spalletti because he reached the minimum objectives for this season is not the right choice IMO. Unless you want to finish 3rd or 2nd next season.

People seeing us getting a new coach as a punishment for Spalletti when he did nothing wrong, that's not the point it's just making progress. He's not a winning manager.

I don't see us even winning a Copa Italia with Spalletti at the helm. Yes you could argue our players aren't good enough but his tactical decisions are questionable at best and he doesn't seem to instill a winning mentality at the club. He doesn't have a clear philosophy and our style of play with him around has been very poor and is all based on crossing into the box. I don't want us to sign expensive players when he's around because I feel that they'll just be wasted playing in a team that doesn't know what it's doing.

At this same time the previous season we had two more points, we only improved our position because of Roma and Lazio's decline this season.

Things are not so binary, changing manager results in having to start from scratch again which could send us back a couple of years. Let a manager finish his cycle and then switch when you see that the team has stopped growing.