Inter - Genoa (1 Apr 12)

Tooz.9 said:

Agreed. Sneijder have hardly played the entire season, he is constantly injured, and when he actually do play he is horrible, and you cant blame that 100% on all the players around him.
He shoots whenever he is within 30 yards of the goal much like Zarate has an affinity for, and whenever he fucks up which is about 95% of the time, its either
1. Referee's fault
2. the one he played's fault for not runnig or whatever

Also whenever he loses the ball or not given a freekick for whatever instead of tracking back to get the ball back he whines to the referee and thorws his hand in the air, stops up and look around with an angry face.

Ranieri probably fucked his chances up by trying to accomodate Sneijder in his 4-4-2 or whatever, which evidently didnt work.
I hope we can rob someone of 25 mill for Sneijder and get rid of his wage aswell.

His attitude just doesnt cut it, especially when we're trying to rebuild. if he goes around being pissy about everything that will only hurt the progress and the team.

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I third that sentiment.. he can be replaced by strategy and good players in that strategy.. I like the way we are moving and if we can get two good players for his money then that is a much better situation for us in the future.

I finally saw the game tape delayed. Here are some things I took from it.

-The defense obviously has its holes. Two of the three penalties were deserved, even though Zanetti's looked a tad unlucky.

-If the team has a desire and motivation, they can score. Very nice crosses today.

-That last penalty call was awful.

I know the result is a good 3 points and all, but I think someone had to have died of a heart attack with how the last 20 minutes of the game were...

Nate said:

I'm sick of everyone accommodating Sneijder, the big egoist. Sorry, but he is such a selfish brat. A player of his caliber should rule the game anywhere in the middle, and all he does is whine, shoot everything but the ball, and have his lunatic attacks everytime he fucks up... i want him out. I don't care of what he's done for us, i want him out of this club. I was one of his biggest supporters, i have his jersey, but enough is enough.

Either grow up and play like a man and professional, or get out of my team!

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No. All he did was getting played in the wrong position by a clueless old man, getting tortured by injuries as a result and having problems mentally because of it, lacking any sort of confidence. When he got back on he tried his very best, he was running like a madman, tried to score, pass, but after being out for so long and then getting played in a retarded position after having been trequartista for his whole fucking life, it just didn't come out. That's what got him frustrated. And it's not like the other team members back then, who were mostly walking around cluelessly, helped much either. He got no help, no assists, no good passes, nothing. He was mad at Pazzini at some point as well, and he had every reason to if you saw the replay.

What would happen to you, if you just came back after being injured for months, having confidence problems, and a stupid old man you absolutely don't like inside tells you to leave the position you've learned to play on all your life to play on a different one because he wants to use a completely retarded brainfart formation that has already been proven not to work a dozen times? One that got us a 8 losing streak? In a team full of unmotivated old men? Play the stars out of the sky? Please...

And then get people on a board like this whine the crap out of you because you couldn't play well.

He will get motivation from Stramaccioni like anyone else, as Strama is like a fresh air through their brains, he will be played there where he belongs to play, he will get a chance to get his confidence back... And then he will explode. He is not done here yet, I'm sure of it; you can whine about him whatever you want, but he didn't even get a chance yet.

And he already meant so much to this club. He was the key to our treble, which we absolutely wouldn't have won without him.

What is really selfish is to then say you want him 'out of this club'. You 'want him out'. Any idea how arrogant that sounds? Who is an egoist brat here...

At this moment, Sneijder hability can make a difference in Inter (at least on the remaining games for this season).

And he cannot play wide as it was already proven in a couple of games. Or he plays in a central OM role (not avaiable in 433) or he probably shouldn't play at all. So yeah, not the ideal situation but I'd rather see 4231 with Sneijder than 433 with Deki as we don't have many options of playmakers in central roles.

Martijn said:

No. All he did was getting played in the wrong position by a clueless old man, getting tortured by injuries as a result and having problems mentally because of it, lacking any sort of confidence. When he got back on he tried his very best, he was running like a madman, tried to score, pass, but after being out for so long and then getting played in a retarded position after having been trequartista for his whole fucking life, it just didn't come out. That's what got him frustrated. And it's not like the other team members back then, who were mostly walking around cluelessly, helped much either. He got no help, no assists, no good passes, nothing. He was mad at Pazzini at some point as well, and he had every reason to if you saw the replay.

What would happen to you, if you just came back after being injured for months, having confidence problems, and a stupid old man you absolutely don't like inside tells you to leave the position you've learned to play on all your life to play on a different one because he wants to use a completely retarded brainfart formation that has already been proven not to work a dozen times? One that got us a 8 losing streak? In a team full of unmotivated old men? Play the stars out of the sky? Please...

He will get motivation from Stramaccioni like anyone else, as Strama is like a fresh air through their brains, he will be played there where he belongs to play, he will get a chance to get his confidence back... And then he will explode. He is not done here yet, I'm sure of it; you can whine about him whatever you want, but he didn't even get a chance yet.

And he already meant so much to this club. He was the key to our treble, which we absolutely wouldn't have won without him.

What is really selfish is to then say you want him 'out of this club'. You 'want him out'. Any idea how arrogant that sounds? Who is an egoist brat here...

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So what you are saying is Sneijder is actually the best in this season, but because of injuries and the ENTIRE squad he looks bad? Give me a break, other people in this squad gets played out of position all the time and they play that a million time better than Sneijder does. Sneijder has not run like a mad man this season, he has walked like a mad man.
But that was the whole point of Nate's statement, why would you accomodate the whole squad to make room for one man who has underperformed for almost 2 years now?

Dont blame other players because Sneijder is injured, mentally broken, and playing like garbage.

You don't need to accomodate the whole squad at all for Sneijder.

433

Forlan - Milito - Zarate
Poli - Deki - Cambiasso

4231

Milito
Forlan - Sneijder - Zarate
Poli - Cambiasso

(of course I'd also take Forlan out, but thats not the point)

Alvarez - Milito - Zarate

Poli - Cambiasso - Guarin/Obi

There.. no Deki, no Forlan.

Alvarez has played better than Sneijder all season
We should stop trying to force playing Sneijder when it clearly isnt worth it
Why play him over people that are playing better than him just because he is a "star" or big earner .. doesnt work like that
Play the people who are in form.

Tooz.9 said:

So what you are saying is Sneijder is actually the best in this season, but because of injuries and the ENTIRE squad he looks bad? Give me a break, other people in this squad gets played out of position all the time and they play that a million time better than Sneijder does.

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Sneijder is indeed one of our best, if not best, players, and he indeed sucked because of injuries and because he didn't get the support he needs from teammates, partly as a result of being played in the wrong position. Like so many players in so many teams had. Is that weird? He has been used completely wrong. Sneijder needs players who run up with him, players where he can pass to, or who cross to him. Who has done that this season? Pazzini, who is completely useless as soon as he gets outside the box? It didn't fit with his style of play. All they did was slacking back there, because whenever Sneijder tried, the others were the ones who 'walked' like a madman. I don't 'blame' them, because no one has performed well under Ranieri really, no one had motivation or showed some spirit. Maybe that even was on purpose, to get him gone. But it has a large share in his underperformance, and I think all of it will change with Stramaccioni. I am also very curious who you saw being played in wrong positions, but playing better than Sneijder. And whoever it was, was he also injured for months before that game, or struggling with confidence?

Tooz.9 said:

But that was the whole point of Nate's statement, why would you accomodate the whole squad to make room for one man who has underperformed for almost 2 years now?

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This is obviously a stupid question because it's not even needed to accomodate the whole squad to him, but a reason for why you would do so is because that is the key to get him back into form, and therefore the key to scoring and winning. The 09/10 season, a handy piece of evidence, shows why you would want this. And if he is gone, who are you gonna replace him with? Deki, Alvarez? Only to be off even worse after all, watching Sneijder explode again in another team, like Muntari in bbilan.

It would be a mistake to give him up so soon.

We could argue on forever, but I will just say that, if 4-3-3 is going to be the preferred formation for Strama .. (I think I read some article where he said he likes to play wide, thus I dont see him using a 4-3-1-2), then Sneijder doesnt need replacement, because he doesnt have a place in that formation anyway. He might explode in another team .. or he might not, you can say that for every player.

I would love to Sneijder back to his old self, if he plays like he did in 2010 and doesnt get injured all the time so he can actually play 25+ matches a season, that would just be great for Inter, but currently the sad truth is he is a liability for now anyway.

Tooz.9 said:

Alvarez - Milito - Zarate

Poli - Cambiasso - Guarin/Obi

There.. no Deki, no Forlan.

Alvarez has played better than Sneijder all season
We should stop trying to force playing Sneijder when it clearly isnt worth it
Why play him over people that are playing better than him just because he is a "star" or big earner .. doesnt work like that
Play the people who are in form.

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So according to this logic, we will never see Pazzo, Sneijder, Alvarez (who will also be out of form after this ricidulous injury), Yuto, Ranocchia or Maicon again?
You should play them over others to at least give them a chance to regain form, mate, because if that happens, Sneijder for example will steamroll over Alvarez. Unless you want a 40m player rotting on the bench because 15m Alvarez has been better for two games in a little momentum

E: Of course Sneijder will have a place in a 4-3-3

I will gladly eat my words if Sneijder starts beasting it up, but it confuses me how people can shit all over Milito when he was in bad form, while Sneijder has for the most part remained unscathed

Maybe because Milito showed us what can still happen with people in bad form?

Tooz.9 said:

Alvarez - Milito - Zarate

Poli - Cambiasso - Guarin/Obi

There.. no Deki, no Forlan.

Alvarez has played better than Sneijder all season
We should stop trying to force playing Sneijder when it clearly isnt worth it
Why play him over people that are playing better than him just because he is a "star" or big earner .. doesnt work like that
Play the people who are in form.

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I feel Cambiasso alone is the central midfield would not be enough to link with the attack. If Guarin could help more in the middle than Obi, it could be doable

From inter.it:

MILAN - (Football Data statistics) With the 3 penalties granted today in favour of Genoa, Inter have conceded 9 penalties in 30 league games of the 2011/12 Serie A season. This statistic not only gives the Nerazzurri the unenviable record of penalties conceded in the current season, on par with Genoa and Cesena, but above all it equals the historical record of the club in the single-table Serie A: before this year you have to go back to 1985/86 to find when Inter had so many penalties given against them in a season.

LukasGiovanni said:

From inter.it:

MILAN - (Football Data statistics) With the 3 penalties granted today in favour of Genoa, Inter have conceded 9 penalties in 30 league games of the 2011/12 Serie A season. This statistic not only gives the Nerazzurri the unenviable record of penalties conceded in the current season, on par with Genoa and Cesena, but above all it equals the historical record of the club in the single-table Serie A: before this year you have to go back to 1985/86 to find when Inter had so many penalties given against them in a season.

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There's plenty of games left to break these records.

Other interesting trivia:

After countless complaints about Forlan's inability to supply crosses, there he goes magically showing us a cross that was headed into the net by Milito.

I doubt all penalties were deserved, though nevermind, 3 points is all I wanted tonight. How our defense really stands will become more clear after a few games.

I didn't watch the game had work but it's nice to see that we won and scored 5 goals but .. wtf? 3 penalties? 4 goals conceded?


Leonardo 2.0 anyone? Also.. where are the youth players that Strama was supposed to play?

Deva said:

There's plenty of games left to break these records.

Other interesting trivia:

After countless complaints about Forlan's inability to supply crosses, there he goes magically showing us a cross that was headed into the net by Milito.

I doubt all penalties were deserved, though nevermind, 3 points is all I wanted tonight. How our defense really stands will become more clear after a few games.

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After 432809 tries, Forlan had to get at least one right

Nyall said:

I didn't watch the game had work but it's nice to see that we won and scored 5 goals but .. wtf? 3 penalties? 4 goals conceded?


Leonardo 2.0 anyone? Also.. where are the youth players that Strama was supposed to play?

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I bet he will replace Zarate with Livaja if Cesar wasnt sent off.

Nyall said:

I didn't watch the game had work but it's nice to see that we won and scored 5 goals but .. wtf? 3 penalties? 4 goals conceded?


Leonardo 2.0 anyone? Also.. where are the youth players that Strama was supposed to play?

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From what i saw, I can say that Strama really has tactical ideas, while Leonardo is just a good motivator.
He also had balls to sub out Deki and play Poli for 90mins
Our defense sucks, but their 2 first goal were lucky ones.

qb4ever_2k said:

From what i saw, I can say that Strama really has tactical ideas, while Leonardo is just a good motivator.
He also had balls to sub out Deki and play Poli for 90mins
Our defense sucks, but their 2 first goal were lucky ones.

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all of their goals are lucky. 3 penalties and 1 fluke.