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It’s amazing how hypocritical the fans, pundits, and players are being. Top Players go to the clubs which will pay them the most. Fans want to see the best players assembled at their clubs and owners/ boards are under pressure to win and think short term.

This super league involves everyone and players and fans are the first ones who should look at themselves in the mirror.

If there is one lesson from all this it’s that Fans are incredibly fickle.

Most owners/ managers who own these clubs are money laundering or evading tax/ banking regulations. But that never deterred fans, UEFA, or players from joining those clubs.

Like seriously, they picked modern day football to be fucking crusaders? :lol:
 

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next season we will withdraw from CL knockout stage to teach these UEFA greedy bastards a lesson
 

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next season we will withdraw from CL knockout stage to teach these UEFA greedy bastards a lesson

You need to get to the knockout stage to withdraw from it.
 

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A lot of people were angered with Inter joining ESL. Just a quick question, if they designed a relegation play-off so there is a chance, although it's small, that the founding clubs to be out for a season or more. Would you have supported ESL?
 

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A lot of people were angered with Inter joining ESL. Just a quick question, if they designed a relegation play-off so there is a chance, although it's small, that the founding clubs to be out for a season or more. Would you have supported ESL?

No.

That's the wrong direction for football to follow.

The sport is dying because:
1) They killed the mid-tier leagues.
2) They killed mid-table teams of top leagues.
3) They let money dictate the sport.
4) External factors are more important than the actual game (agents, betting, sponsors, broadcasters, social media and "profiles" etc)
5) And of course, it is not 'clean'. Which can be attributed to corruption, greed and several of the external factors mentioned.


Participating in a Superleague just makes you guilty of this sporting massacre. It doesn't help the sport revive, it just kicks it while it is down.

I want no part in this.
 

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A lot of people were angered with Inter joining ESL. Just a quick question, if they designed a relegation play-off so there is a chance, although it's small, that the founding clubs to be out for a season or more. Would you have supported ESL?

I have a stupid theory that originally Perez or even Agnelli wants to create a league like Nations League that clubs compete in power ranking league. The so called big clubs might be out of tier 1 but they could stay in tier 2 and bounce back, if they are out of tier 2 then they shouldn't have big money pie anyway. In the end, the main point of ESL is to take control out of UEFA and big clubs can get bigger share in revenue. The no relegation idea only comes up during meeting with some of English clubs that doesn't like relegation idea, they want guarantee slots. They have to accept that because no English clubs meaning no ESL.

If they have relegation or in-out mechanism then why not but it would kill Champions League right away
 

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No.

That's the wrong direction for football to follow.

The sport is dying because:
1) They killed the mid-tier leagues.
2) They killed mid-table teams of top leagues.
3) They let money dictate the sport.
4) External factors are more important than the actual game (agents, betting, sponsors, broadcasters, social media and "profiles" etc)
5) And of course, it is not 'clean'. Which can be attributed to corruption, greed and several of the external factors mentioned.


Participating in a Superleague just makes you guilty of this sporting massacre. It doesn't help the sport revive, it just kicks it while it is down.

I want no part in this.

you know that any dying industry will consolidate to give it best chance to survive
 

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I need to specify my opinion more. I mean that the outrage of the whole football world surely had its own effect fore sure. Then that allowed and pushed the officials in Britain to threat these foreign owners, because the officials knew they have the backing of the whole community, fans, the whole football industry in the country behind them.

The funny thing is FIFA has banned countries from playing in the World Cup or even play their qualifying games because of the government using football for political gain, but here we are with the UK government threatening the clubs. Neither UEFA or FIFA follow their own fucking rules...
 

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The funny thing is FIFA has banned countries from playing in the World Cup or even play their qualifying games because of the government using football for political gain, but here we are with the UK government threatening the clubs. Neither UEFA or FIFA follow their own fucking rules...

I think the rule is government should not interfere its country football federation affairs (it could be wrong) and FA asked for back up the plan of banning visa.
PL is their cash cow and soft power, of course they want to protect it by any mean
 

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I think the rule is government should not interfere its country football federation affairs (it could be wrong) and FA asked for back up the plan of banning visa.
PL is their cash cow and soft power, of course they want to protect it by any mean

Which goes against FIFA and UEFA's rules. If there was no money involved, meaning this league wasn't taking money away from UEFA and by extension FIFA, they wouldn't have said jack shit, but since these 12 clubs are in the top 15 of money generation in football, it became a problem; solely because without them being involved in their tournaments, leagues etc, the revenue for them decreases drastically.

I believe it was GdS that stated if Juve, Inter and Milan are banned from Serie A, the league as a whole would lose 60% of their revenue. 3 teams generate 60% of total revenue out of 20...let that sink in as to why they wanted to create this league.
 

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The only outcome out of all this for Inter is that both the refs and the opponents will be extra motivated to fuck us in the next couple of matches. From a favourite to break Juventus reign, we got ourselves to being hated throughout the league.
 

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A lot of people were angered with Inter joining ESL. Just a quick question, if they designed a relegation play-off so there is a chance, although it's small, that the founding clubs to be out for a season or more. Would you have supported ESL?

No. European qualification should always depend on league position. ALWAYS. It should never be granted for free because of past achievements. None of the founding clubs deserve to be there by default. They need to earn it on the pitch.

And that's why my biggest issue with new CL format is granting some free spots based on coefficient points.
 

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I think Super league could have been a good thing, a place for the Elite teams to play even though i would have liked a better format.

The Super League would have transformed domestic leagues with other teams battling for the Scudetto and a chance of Champions league apart from the financial powerhouses. The allure of Champions league could have drawn more investors to clubs. I still believe Champions league needs to be expanded.

I may still support a super league in the future if it means all club home and away games rather than two groups of ten. Maybe even a 24 team table.
 

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Il Drago;[URL="tel:1992402" said:
1992402[/URL]]No. European qualification should always depend on league position. ALWAYS. It should never be granted for free because of past achievements. None of the founding clubs deserve to be there by default. They need to earn it on the pitch.

And that's why my biggest issue with new CL format is granting some free spots based on coefficient points.

Yeah that coefficient rule is BS. But good thing is the new format comes active only in 2024 and there's lot of time to tweak that. There's already a demand from ECA that coefficient rule to be removed from the new format.
 

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Good thing that Inter went out to escape total shame.
Juventus still in..
 

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https://pod.fo/e/c6be4

interesting, according to Romano, internally Inter's happy with decision to leave and decision coming from president and owner level
 

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Maldini : " I only found out on sunday night, the club didnt tell me anything"

Ok Paolo.:work:
 

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Good thing that Inter went out to escape total shame.
Juventus still in..

Sorry but can`t see how Inter "escaped total shame" when they were one of the founding clubs of the supposed "competition" :)


Inter were the first Italian side to withdraw from the breakaway tournament officially and the leaked document claims the remaining clubs could sue the participants withdrawing from the competition.

It’s maybe no coincidence Juventus and Milan didn’t explicitly say they pull out of the competition in their official statements.

As the report points out, it remains unclear what liabilities the clubs face when choosing to withdraw, which remains the big unanswered question about the Super League.
 

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No. European qualification should always depend on league position. ALWAYS. It should never be granted for free because of past achievements. None of the founding clubs deserve to be there by default. They need to earn it on the pitch.

This is bullshit. Serie A is a national league, the other is international. They're two entirely different competitions that ideally should have no relation to one another. Internationally Inter/Milan/Juventus pull almost all the attention. No one cares about Crotone or Benevento.

It's one thing having the old style "European Cup" where only the champions fight. Having the "Top 4" was always a money grab (and cannibalised the UEFA Cup as a consequence). The Champions League is no more moral than the Super League.
 
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