André Onana

IM21 said:

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yes sure lets bend over and sell all our good players, why not??

SiamoNoi said:

Nothing for a GK of his caliber and situation in United with GKs. Anything below 65-70 I would not even entertain.

If he is in Dortmund with season like that you know he is not going under 80.

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In order to have this mentality you must have an owner who can afford it. We do not, however, have an owner who can back up that mentality.

Also I am not certain that Onana is worth 70m. I am ok with them cashing in on him at the price they're giving, as it represents a very good bit of business for us overall. Now if we had an owner with actual money then I would have higher expectations and agree they should sit on him and see how his value grows. But Suning are some sad, broke ass MFers.

Lastly all young keepers now are being selected and taught to play out from the back. This is the standard now. The problem for the big clubs is nobody wants to give young keepers a shot, it's always been one of those positions where you just feel better having experience between the pipes. Inter for now is one of the teams who can do this, though, by virtue of their lack of resources.

What I'd do right now is I'd swoop on Zion Suzuki, that kid United is targeting as their backup (5m price is the rumor). Might even require them to back off of him as part of the Onana sale. He's 20 and primed to show what he can do and would be given every shot with us to do that as opposed to sitting on United's bench.

Cane said:

Also I am not certain that Onana is worth 70m.

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He should be worth the amount he is worth to us, our game. And that is way more than 50M. If no one wants to pay that much, good.

SiamoNoi said:

He should be worth the amount he is worth to us, our game. And that is way more than 50M. If no one wants to pay that much, good.

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Time will tell. If, for example, they find a young keeper who brings the play from the back and average shot stopping ability for a pittance I will continue to question whether any keeper is worth 70+.

I think the market just based on supply and demand puts strikers at the top of the pile for what teams are willing to pay. Keepers though... Again I just don't see any who warrant that level of price. So much of keeping is team defense limiting quality shots nowadays so if you do it right and you go young with a guy who has been trained day one to play it out you should be ok enough at the position where you can invest the big money in the positions that are harder to fill like striker or special midfielders who can pass vertically with anticipation.

If the Lukaku rumors are true we must keep Onana.

if with the Onana (+Correa) money we get 2 gks, Carlos Augusto and a striker (or 2)

then maybe it's better for him to leave, so our rebuild for the summer can be completed

Sawyer said:

If the Lukaku rumors are true we must keep Onana.

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We still need another striker and we still have no money.

Sawyer said:

If the Lukaku rumors are true we must keep Onana.

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I don't believe Onana has any intention of staying after what's been going on in the past 45 days

It’s a good move for all IMHO. Inter profit handsomely on a fortunate free acquisition of a player, player gets big move & spotlight under a former coach and ManYoo get perfect profile of keeper for their latest project under ETH. There are a lot of great caliber keepers at a bargain in the market, take the money & run and invest it elsewhere in the squad

The true price is fucking terrible. I dont wanna let you guys smash some keyboards here. Even ManU fans say it is "fantastic" after spending the money.

Fuck Zhang and Suning and their policy of selling to survive despite being a CL finalist. Can you please just sell and leave if you cannot afford owning Inter?

its unlikely to change that much under a new owner, fyi, unless we got someone like PIF.

.h. said:

its unlikely to change that much under a new owner, fyi, unless we got someone like PIF.

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It is fucking ridiculous statement when you don't even know what the next owner is, let alone how they will operate. Only for the sake of defending Suning then claim it "for my information"?!? What information?

Rice: 117
Onana: 50

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PHM1605 said:

It is fucking ridiculous statement when you don't even know what the next owner is, let alone how they will operate. Only for the sake of defending Suning then claim it "for my information"?!? What information?

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What?

Dont be so idiotic man

The point is that, under current FFP regulations, we can only spend set amounts of our revenue every year on wages + amortisation. So the only way a new change of owner could make a significant, SHORT TERM difference to this club, is by changing our sponsorships. yes, you can do training ground etc sponsorships, but these will also be subject to UEFA fair value regulations. A new owner might be able to do say, +20-40mil/season, and iwth our cut costs, it probably puts us roughly sustainable, but we arent going to see Chelsea-style capital injections for like 500mil of new signings.


Why do you think NO italian clubs are in a financially healthy position except Milan - who have VERY strict cost/expenditure rules in place?

Seriously, if you're expecting a new owner to revolutionise things, you're really going to be set up for disappointment. There's good reasons why no Italian club has done the Man City/Chelsea/etc journey in recent years - you buy a PL club that isnt in the CL stages and get them to the CL Stages, between that + premiership cash, you can make probably +200mil a year. You buy an Inter, the revenue figures just *arent* going to shift that much no matter how much you invest in.


The only real things a new owner can do is wipe out the debt - well, from this season, as far as I understand (may be wrong) interest payments arent factored into FFP, so that doesnt change things that much, maybe some sponsorship money (That will help but we've already seen e.g. Chelsea struggle for new sponsors, so I dont think itll be revolutionary)... or build a new stadium, which would be fucking awesome, but that's a 5 year plan, not a 12 month plan.



If you really wanna just scream FUCK ZHANG and wait for a new owner to wave a magic wand and solve all of our problems, feel free (I truly dont give a fuck), but there's like... 3-5% chance of that happening, realistically. Far more realistic is a new owner who wipes out our debt, invests in a new stadium, maybe frees up a bit of money to invest in the squad, but we aren't going to suddenly be spending 300mil in the summers.

On the other hand, if you want to delude yourself, please feel free to. It really makes no difference to me


You guys need to appreciate when I say shit like this, none of it is about defending Zhang/Suning/etc, its just explaining that circumstances are unlikely to be transformed any time soon. And, yeah, dont get me wrong. I'd love for a sugar daddy to take us over, take us into the top 5 of the Deloitte money league some how (magic wand) and we start signing 100mi+ players every summer. I just dont expect it to happen, nor do I build my 'fandom' for Inter on that basis. If you want to take that approach, you're almost inevitably going to be an *extremely* disappointed Inter fan for the next decade.


Inter as a club is layers of fucked. There are definitely some challenges with our ownership - all the debt, for one. There's challenges with our team. There are challenges with the league we play in. There are MASSIVE challenges with the country we play in.

No magic wand fixes that shit over night. Oaktree arent going to make Milan city council cooperative, they arent going to fix the stagnant Italian economy over the last 30+ years, they aren't going to remove the paperwork and red tape of building new stadia or the laws having the San Siro designated as a historical monument that cant be redeveloped, they aren't going to make the league as an entity significantly more marketable in international countries, they aren't going to make the 'style of football' more appealing internationally...


If you wanna take all that and just 'BROWHA SHILLS SUNING' be my guest

.h. said:

What?

Dont be so idiotic man

The point is that, under current FFP regulations, we can only spend set amounts of our revenue every year on wages + amortisation. So the only way a new change of owner could make a significant, SHORT TERM difference to this club, is by changing our sponsorships. yes, you can do training ground etc sponsorships, but these will also be subject to UEFA fair value regulations. A new owner might be able to do say, +20-40mil/season, and iwth our cut costs, it probably puts us roughly sustainable, but we arent going to see Chelsea-style capital injections for like 500mil of new signings.


Why do you think NO italian clubs are in a financially healthy position except Milan - who have VERY strict cost/expenditure rules in place?

Seriously, if you're expecting a new owner to revolutionise things, you're really going to be set up for disappointment. There's good reasons why no Italian club has done the Man City/Chelsea/etc journey in recent years - you buy a PL club that isnt in the CL stages and get them to the CL Stages, between that + premiership cash, you can make probably +200mil a year. You buy an Inter, the revenue figures just *arent* going to shift that much no matter how much you invest in.


The only real things a new owner can do is wipe out the debt - well, from this season, as far as I understand (may be wrong) interest payments arent factored into FFP, so that doesnt change things that much, maybe some sponsorship money (That will help but we've already seen e.g. Chelsea struggle for new sponsors, so I dont think itll be revolutionary)... or build a new stadium, which would be fucking awesome, but that's a 5 year plan, not a 12 month plan.

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The only idiotic thing is that you don't even know what I am criticising then post a wall of text. Am I asking for a sugardaddy and revolution or some shit you poster?

Rule number 1 in negotiation: never announce the whole world we are pissed poor and let the buying club take advantage. Even though it might ve true. Learn how Napoli treat Zielinski and Lotito to SMS. See Brozovic and Onana and learn a thing or two.

Rule number 2: if you know shit about a thing, do not intervene on sporting decision. Zhang blocked Skriniar and let us lose a 50m asset for 0€. He spent 80m on free shit by listening to agent. See who is sustaining the burden?

Ironically you are defending for Suning but at the same time excusing for Lukaku. Then he proves it would have been a worse deal of the decade 1 day later lol.

Exactly what a shill would say.

PHM1605 said:

The only idiotic thing is that you don't even know what I am criticising then post a wall of text. Am I asking for a sugardaddy and revolution or some shit you poster?

Rule number 1 in negotiation: never announce the whole world we are pissed poor and let the buying club take advantage. Even though it might ve true. Learn how Napoli treat Zielinski and Lotito to SMS. See Brozovic and Onana and learn a thing or two.

Rule number 2: if you know shit about a thing, do not intervene on sporting decision. Zhang blocked Skriniar and let us lose a 50m asset for 0€. He spent 80m on free shit by listening to agent. See who is sustaining the burden?

Ironically you are defending for Suning but at the same time excusing for Lukaku. Then he proves it would have been a worse deal of the decade 1 day later lol.

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You said this:


Fuck Zhang and Suning and their policy of selling to survive despite being a CL finalist. Can you please just sell and leave if you cannot afford owning Inter?


That's already fundamentally idiotic because that statement there is irrelevant of our ownership. It's not a "policy", unless you mean Policy in the sense of Financial Fair Play Policy. We run at a massive loss every year, so whoever the owner is would need to sell to survive. Which is exactly why I talk about FFP, and then explain under that why we're constrained irrespective of ownership.


And, yeah, we fucked up losing Skriniar. No dispute. But your rose tinted world where we are owned (say) by some Americans instead of Zhang doesnt really fundamentally shift the picture for Inter in terms of day-to-day operations.

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You said this:


Fuck Zhang and Suning and their policy of selling to survive despite being a CL finalist. Can you please just sell and leave if you cannot afford owning Inter?


That's already fundamentally idiotic because that statement there is irrelevant of our ownership. It's not a "policy", unless you mean Policy in the sense of Financial Fair Play Policy. We run at a massive loss every year, so whoever the owner is would need to sell to survive. Which is exactly why I talk about FFP, and then explain under that why we're constrained irrespective of ownership.


And, yeah, we fucked up losing Skriniar. No dispute. But your rose tinted world where we are owned (say) by some Americans instead of Zhang doesnt really fundamentally shift the picture for Inter in terms of day-to-day operations.

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We are not under FFP constraints. OFFICIALLY two days ago. Wtf are you talking about to excusing for Onana sell?

Dont bring silly arguments like "I don't know who the next owner will be, but the whole Serie A is like this so must Inter". The other teams do not have a part of our CL income last year.

Yeah I need the new owner do not that desperate for money to cry out loud for the whole world. Milan do sell one key player too, but they have more for Tonali than us with Onana and Brozovic combined. For what reason? Yeah because Suning is advertising us like a bargain store and see, who is coming and lol on their way out? Saudis and ManUtd. Lol, two of richest bank in the football world.

PHM1605 said:

We do not under FFP constrained. OFFICIALLY two days ago, wtf are you talking about to excusing for Onana sell?

Dont bring silly arguments like "I don't know who the next owner will be, but the whole Serie A is like this so must Inter". The other teams do not have a part of our CL income last year.

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We are ALWAYS ffp constrained. Any club which plays in Europe has to obey the basic laws of FFP. Those basic laws of FFP are, right now, 90% of our revenue can be spent on amortisation + wages. In two years time, that goes down to 70%.

I dont know what our current status is, but I think when it was announced a season or two ago, we were at like 110-130%?

What we are, is no longer under an FFP settlement agreement. That's a different thing.



When I talk about other Serie A clubs, I'm also looking at Napoli, Lazio, Juventus, Milan, Roma, etc. All of these clubs are fucked financially - and none of them have had a Newcastle/City/Chelsea style 'new owner comes in and injects 400mil into signing players' transformation. The only club that is remotely healthy is Milan, and as stated above, they've had to operate under VERY SPECIFIC financial constraints. Shit - arguably its even worse for them, they were actually *profitable* last season and still sold a key player.

Juve make 33% more money than we do (baseline recurring, not one-offs eg transfer fees) and they're having to offload a shit tonne this summer just to even get to a point where they can sell to spend.


If - financially - the best ownership we could look towards in Italy right now is to compare ourselves to Milan, events like Skriniar leaving on a free you would be at a whole new level of anger over. Selling their best players, losing many on Bosman, still having to sell every summer, having very constrained budgets, AND still only making the CL this coming season because Juve got a fat points deduction.