2009/2010 Midfielders rumours topic

[gspath]

Hard decision

Hello,

First of all I am very happy seeing people arguing about a creative midfielder and not about strikers or defenders.

I am sure that our management is aware of the No 1 need of this team :

A world class creative midfielder.

I hope they are working on it, without letting rumors spread around. We should be realistic. In order to be candidates for winning the CL we should get the best possible AM.

Getting Jimenez now in order to wait for Nasri next year (who may never perform in a big team, or may never come to us) is not the right thing to do.

With all the names currently on the table I think that we should go for Deco or for Diego.

I don't believe that Deco is untransferable. I believe that 15 million euros would do the trick. He is proven on big stage. The only problem is his age, but I believe that he has 3 good years in him. And we can go and buy a huge AM talent to be his backup and eventually his replacement after 3 years.

On the other hand Diego have not played in a big club, but he has shown some very good stuff in Werder. He is younger and i believe he is exactly the type of player we need. Because of his age we can spent more money on him, as we can sell him if he doesn't do well and get most of the money back.

I hope our management does the right thing this time. I remember that last year after our big transfers Viera, Ibra, Grosso I was worried about not having backups for Viera and Cambiasso.... Our only backup was Dacourt. And you all remember why we were eliminated in CL.

 

[Adriano@10]

I have one questions why do u think that diego will preform and quaresma wont ??? I mean yeah quaresma faild in barca but remember diego in porto??
He was not acctualy great there and still u guys trust him more then a quaresma ?? I watched a lot of bundesliga last season and i m not that convinced that diego will make it at a big club in a big league!! In my eyes he s the bigger gamble then quaresma!!! But anyway i don t think we nesecarly need a playmaker I know it would be good to have one. But all in all it s not like we nessecarly need one and i rather get no one then a half assed solution like riquelme who will only bring probs if he dosent preform coz he ll demand first team action.

So i rather get a young playmaker/winger then a prooven one who will demand first team action straight away. Coz i stil think ou re first mid with deki/cambi/viera/capitano is good enough to win everything there is!!

So my first choice would still be nasri/quaresma/diegon and then well deco ore none

 

[VLE]

Not into Diego but I'm against Quaresma because I've never seen him being creative. If we are gonna stick with a non-creative AM, why bother buying a new player when we have Deki?

 

[lil_mo]

I think Requelme or Veron is too slow to be our already slow squad. Argen national team works because they got fast players helping, like Messi or Tevez, but I don't think Crespo, Ibra or Adri can fit in to thier role.

Suazo sure can, but we can't be sure that he will adjust fast enough to be our starter. It won't be right be build a squad on assumptions.

I do remember a Valencia fan freaking out last season 1st leg, screaming 'how can they be attacking constantly when thier strikers are not even running', but if we are aiming anything higher than Valencia, we will need a faster AM.

I don't really agree that much with this theory .. imo Riquelme wud work at Inter.

Look at the Argi NT .. they play with:

----Crespo--Messi-----
------Riquelme--------
Cam-Mascherano-Veron
Henize-Milito-Ayala-JZ

I actually reckon he wud fit in better with out lineup .. with Inter he wud have better movement from the wings with Maicon and Maxwell. JZ is good on the ball but doesn't have the movement of Maicon that will give a playmaker options, where as Maxwell and Henize its obvious the latter doesn't offer enough support.

The midfield .. at Inter he will control the midfield, at his NT, Veron takes sum of that away from him. At Inter he will have a DM behind him and two midfielders moving to give him passing options .. Cambiasso is present both at Inter n the NT so no change there .. but we can all agree Vieria or Stan will offer better offball movement then Veron. They wud offer what Maxi Rodriguez offered in the WC, good movement = more options for riquelme.

The forward line .. say we stick with Crespo so that means the difference here is between Messi or Ibra. IMO i see Ibra as a better match with Riquelme as he plays further up the field (position wise) then Messi. Overall as a player i like Messi more, but imo Riquelme and Messi don't really fit together well. Messi moves back into midfield way too much for Riquelme's liking, he'd be better off with a player who offers more movement upfront and thus help move the play into the final third. Take yesterday's match as an example ...

as soon as Tevez came we started seeing Riquelme in the final third alot more. Tevez's movement gave R10 more passing options to get into the final third and thus alot more of the Argentina presense took place in the final third where Riquelme does his best work. Compare that with the first half, good ball possesion, good passing but all in the first two thirds.

I reckon with Ibra holding the ball up in the final third and moving wide to create options, Riquelme wud be able to make more plays in the final third and wether he takes a shot on goal or goes for a defence splitting pass, in them positions you gotta be sure that he is amongst the very best to execute such moves.

 

[Azzkikr]

I have one questions why do u think that diego will preform and quaresma wont ??? I mean yeah quaresma faild in barca but remember diego in porto??
He was not acctualy great there and still u guys trust him more then a quaresma ?? I watched a lot of bundesliga last season and i m not that convinced that diego will make it at a big club in a big league!! In my eyes he s the bigger gamble then quaresma!!!

Stop lying you obviously havent seen anything, diego was voted the best player of the bundesliga with over 50% of the votes, he made 13 goals and 14 assists in 33 games.

And stop devalueing the quality of the german league, its not as bad as most people make it, besides serie a is not alot greater these days.

Diego failed at porto because the coach didnt believe in him and never gave him time to settle. Before porto, at santos, he was a key reason for santos winning the campeonato.

Diego is a better choice than quaresma is every way, more skillfull and creative, a natural central am not some half-winger solution. And on top of that he has potential and talent to become one of the absolute best.

 

[Kraits]

I don't really agree that much with this theory .. imo Riquelme wud work at Inter.

Look at the Argi NT .. they play with:

----Crespo--Messi-----
------Riquelme--------
Cam-Mascherano-Veron
Henize-Milito-Ayala-JZ

I actually reckon he wud fit in better with out lineup .. with Inter he wud have better movement from the wings with Maicon and Maxwell. JZ is good on the ball but doesn't have the movement of Maicon that will give a playmaker options, where as Maxwell and Henize its obvious the latter doesn't offer enough support.

The midfield .. at Inter he will control the midfield, at his NT, Veron takes sum of that away from him. At Inter he will have a DM behind him and two midfielders moving to give him passing options .. Cambiasso is present both at Inter n the NT so no change there .. but we can all agree Vieria or Stan will offer better offball movement then Veron. They wud offer what Maxi Rodriguez offered in the WC, good movement = more options for riquelme.

The forward line .. say we stick with Crespo so that means the difference here is between Messi or Ibra. IMO i see Ibra as a better match with Riquelme as he plays further up the field (position wise) then Messi. Overall as a player i like Messi more, but imo Riquelme and Messi don't really fit together well. Messi moves back into midfield way too much for Riquelme's liking, he'd be better off with a player who offers more movement upfront and thus help move the play into the final third. Take yesterday's match as an example ...

as soon as Tevez came we started seeing Riquelme in the final third alot more. Tevez's movement gave R10 more passing options to get into the final third and thus alot more of the Argentina presense took place in the final third where Riquelme does his best work. Compare that with the first half, good ball possesion, good passing but all in the first two thirds.

I reckon with Ibra holding the ball up in the final third and moving wide to create options, Riquelme wud be able to make more plays in the final third and wether he takes a shot on goal or goes for a defence splitting pass, in them positions you gotta be sure that he is amongst the very best to execute such moves.

Very Good summary there.. Like reading from the news paper..:hush: :hush:

 

[lil_mo]

Kraits .. not sure if u were being sarcastic there with your hush hush ..

anyway .. if u were taking the piss well hey thats ur problem .. what i said is my opinion, if u don't agree i'd like to hear ur's and where u disagree with mine. If u do and that hush hush was a mistake then what can i say, thanks ..

 

[gspath]

Diego is an AMC

I have one questions why do u think that diego will preform and quaresma wont ??? I mean yeah quaresma faild in barca but remember diego in porto??
He was not acctualy great there and still u guys trust him more then a quaresma ?? I watched a lot of bundesliga last season and i m not that convinced that diego will make it at a big club in a big league!! In my eyes he s the bigger gamble then quaresma!!! But anyway i don t think we nesecarly need a playmaker I know it would be good to have one. But all in all it s not like we nessecarly need one and i rather get no one then a half assed solution like riquelme who will only bring probs if he dosent preform coz he ll demand first team action.

So i rather get a young playmaker/winger then a prooven one who will demand first team action straight away. Coz i stil think ou re first mid with deki/cambi/viera/capitano is good enough to win everything there is!!

So my first choice would still be nasri/quaresma/diegon and then well deco ore none

I think that Diego's natural place is AMC which is exactly want we need for "1" in 4-3-1-2. Quaresma, who I also believe is a great player, is more a winger type of player. He needs more room to do his tricks. Room cannot be found in the center of the pitch. On the flanks Quaresma uses his speed and finds space. I don't think that it is the same playing behind the 2 strikers.

 

[Kraits]

Kraits .. not sure if u were being sarcastic there with your hush hush ..

anyway .. if u were taking the piss well hey thats ur problem .. what i said is my opinion, if u don't agree i'd like to hear ur's and where u disagree with mine. If u do and that hush hush was a mistake then what can i say, thanks ..

Sry wrong icon i used i would say.. i tot the icon seems to be a positive sign..
My bad also, dont know what does hush means.
No interest to offend anyone here.. I really agreed to what you say
My wrong, My wrong

 

[guest2]

lil_mo, my thoughts exactly. well done

in Italia Serie A: Ibra > Messi, Crespo >> Tevez
and you call me a dreamer, I'd stage Adri before Crespo who I believe has more strength coming on as a jocker-saviour similar to il Jardiniero; there4 we have two brilliant protectors.

gspath, yes we speak about 4312 but I mind you that Mancini was insisting until half a season that we are 442 no matter what (despite Scarpini's offering alibi game after game) so - it's more a product of given players preferences than the chosen system. However, now there is no alternative.

With our R/LBs we attack with 7/8 players and hence we need a head there.

 

[A.l.i]

We're signing Chivu, Tyson, Jimenez, and Kovac so stick with it

 

[Efrain21C]

It would be better if we had midfielders rumours

 

[Adriano@10]

Stop lying you obviously havent seen anything, diego was voted the best player of the bundesliga with over 50% of the votes, he made 13 goals and 14 assists in 33 games.

And stop devalueing the quality of the german league, its not as bad as most people make it, besides serie a is not alot greater these days.

Diego failed at porto because the coach didnt believe in him and never gave him time to settle. Before porto, at santos, he was a key reason for santos winning the campeonato.

Diego is a better choice than quaresma is every way, more skillfull and creative, a natural central am not some half-winger solution. And on top of that he has potential and talent to become one of the absolute best.

Yeah of course i m lying i have not seen him in the whole season. DAm u just did not get my point i agree with most bundesliga watchers that he was the best midfielders this seasonbut he always struggled in most of the BIG games and played below he s abilit. thats why i m not convinced of him i just think that the risk of him becoming a recoba is quite big.
The only thing wich speaks fore him is that he realy is an amc while quaresma is a winger

 

[Azzkikr]

The next recoba . What is that supposed to mean?

Recoba inconsistency over the years has been because of being the most injury prone player in the history of football, nothing to do with his ability.

I dont see how that can in any way relate to diego's situation, But if you mean he will turn into an injury free consistent version with similar level of ability as recoba, then how is that a bad thing :nervous:

 

[Pulsar36]

Azzkikr what do you think...Riquelme any good for us? He's been tearing it up for Arg...

 

[Adriano@10]

The next recoba . What is that supposed to mean?

Recoba inconsistency over the years has been because of being the most injury prone player in the history of football, nothing to do with his ability.

I dont see how that can in any way relate to diego's situation, But if you mean he will turn into an injury free consistent version with similar level of ability as recoba, then how is that a bad thing :nervous:

What i mean with the next recoba is a player full with talent and potential who is never able to preform when needed

 

[Nikko]

Requilme is THE perfect fit for us. I thought he should have joined Inter last summer.

 

[1919]

too many opinions
too few rumors

 

[8ballmjg]

we should get veron but if not him then riquelmee or at least deco. I really think we should try juniniho

 

[Azzkikr]

What i mean with the next recoba is a player full with talent and potential who is never able to preform when needed

I know what you meant, but since recoba's inconsistency is primarily because he is made of glass and nothing to do with his football abilities your analogy fails.

Azzkikr what do you think...Riquelme any good for us? He's been tearing it up for Arg...

No, riquelme is the type of player that needs his team to run for him so he can make the unexpected passes. He is too static, he needs his team to evolve around him and constantly run for him, our other midtfielders are not player who can/does this.

We need the exact opposite, a player who runs for the team and makes the creative moves and passes that opens up the opposition.