2010/2011 Manager rumours thread

[blackmore]

Its clear we are nearing the end of a cycle. Everything that is good does not last for ever. I totaly agree that MM is to blame, but now lets think for a moment about rafa. In the current crisis we are in, does it seem likely that he will be able to pick us up from the duldrems that we are in now, even with a fit squad. Surely the psychological damage has been done. Is it not the theory that the team that wins everything in the previous season, will come back laxidazicle?

Lets face it, ceratin coaches have certain affects on players, and sadly to say, rafa is having a negative one on us. the triplete last season does not help one bit, as now we have raised the threshold standard even higher.

Rafa is not a bad coach, not at all, he does however not have the chemistry to fit with this team. He is trying to change our team to radically, and in a very bleak period of our club. I often ask myself..."why is this man so stubborn?"

With our current injury crisis and clearly evident lack of willingness to play, why does he continue to enforce his "system" and "style" of play? What jose had was the same core group of players(minus a few), but a great team strategy. Has jose gotten to rafa so much that he refuses to revert to last years system. wouldnt it be better of, especially with all our injury woes to play a method and style that is already second nature to this team. He continuously enforces his high defensive line, zonal marking(see lazios first goal when we had 9 players in the box compared to their 5), and english style philosophy in trying to move the ball around. Sadly though it is having a great negative affect on our team.

We are now 7 points adrift with an extra game played. Who knows what the damage will be like after we return from the club championship tournament. If rafa indeed does stay on as coach and gets a few players that he wants in january, then what. Will it be the players he wants? Will he be able to work with them and apply them into his system? Its already well known that branca will be making the choices come start of the year(which to me is a good thing cause we know about rafas transfer sagas with pool), so that means in some respect that rafa will have to work with what he gets.

Jose transfered this team by going a notch down. He quickly knew what this team could do, and used the strong points to our advantage. Sit, soak, pounce...it was quit simple and beautiful. This is my problem with rafa. He knows somethings wrong. He knows his and the teams backs are against the wall. Yet, he carries on to do what he does.

There is a saying that smart people learn from other peoples mistakes, whereas normal people learn from their own. But what do you call a person who continues to stick his penis in that aids affected pussy, again and again and again, very well knowing that one day his shit is going to fall of?

His mistakes a school boyish errors, those that we learn not to do when playing football manager. Human nature will tell you that if a problem keeps repeating itself, that one will change his ways, but why not this man? Today against lazio i was watching the first few minutes and wondered to myself...what the hell is munta and cuchu playing higher then deki? Still shit didnt change when motta came on for deki, and he was playing in that much reserved role. upon motta coming on i thought "okay this is it now we'll see some action", but it stayed the same. motta is the catalyst that would have helped sneijder perform better. it would have taken a great deal of pressure of him to come collect the ball from way deep, and this from a super advanced position already. But no, he had to keep motta in front of the back four for some reason and this hurt our MF to great extent.

These types of decisions(this is just one example and there are many more but i dont want to list them all down) show to me that rafa is just not meant for us. Its in the time of adversity, not glory that a man shows his true strength. Rafa had a real chance to prove what he was made of as a coach. would anyone have been sad with a draw away to lazio? Not me thats for sure. Yet he set the team out to win, knowing very well that we are severly handicapped at the moment, and it bit us in the ass. Yet at home to jube, with a much stronger side, when he should have been playing like this, he did the total opposite. Its these kind of decisions, real amatuer judgement calls that have me shaking my head in disbelief.

And its not a one time thing either, its happening over, and over, and over again. The shits like a never ending roll of toilet paper, just going round and round and round.

I feel bad for the man as Azz quite rightly put he is at "the wrong place at the wrong time". However does that justify us keeping our patience with him? does that give him a free pass to try and see if he can turn things around? If he does then good for him, and ill be the first one to stand up and applaud him. But my worry is on what happens if he doesn't. What then...? My oh my what then?

I have only watched inter since 94 and i remember what it was like. I have seen some good times and some bad times. I have experienced what its like to be a winner and to be the best team in italy just like all of you guys here. Please rafa, im begging you, dont send us back into those dark days. Cmon presidente if you could have sacked GiGi so easily whats stopping you from axing rafa, and getting a real coach.lol: see what i did there)

 

[b4h4mooth]

Bring Benny DOLO ! he is better than rafa,although he has the same fat belly as Rafa

 

[Ronaldo]

i wish Real Madrid fires mou..

 

[b4h4mooth]

IN MEMORIAM OF MOURINHO (INTER TREBLE 2009-2010)

 

[Luka]

i completely agree, BUT, getting a new coach who MIGHT succeed is waaaaay better than keeping a coach who WON'T succeed

I have to insist, that the "won't" part is not certaininty

Sure new coach won't guarantee anything. But what Rafa will guarantee? IMO at this point Rafa will guarantee even less than a new coach. We KNOW what Rafa can bring. He can bring nothing to this team. Not entirely his fault, he's the victim of the circumstances. Sucks to be Rafa but that's how it is.

If he's the victim of the circumstances, can't this also be the case with the new coach ? It's not like the new coach will come, and all the players will magicly ressurect from their helath, physical and mental issues

I know it's tempting to say Rafa can bring nothing to this team, but it's not like we're talking about a coach who was failure his whole life.

I want to clearly point out, that I'm not trying to argue against Rafa's skill, so I don't want people to get the wrong idea, although I believe that he is much better coach that we give him credit for. I'm just trying to argue for having the enough time, and appropriate conditions to evaluate the coach properly. For example, with Mancini, we had a lot of time, to look what he can offer. The decision was not based on couple months of his work, but many years. He got many players over the years, some that he requested personaly (like Suazo), he also didn't have injury problems the whole time.

I understand that our league situation ain't pretty now, but the circumstances is all tied with it together.

I can tell though, that IF we would get the new coach, he would get the same backing from me as Rafa. Whoever it is, he would be Inter coach.

 

[CafeCordoba]

I have to insist, that the "won't" part is not certaininty


If he's the victim of the circumstances, can't this also be the case with the new coach ? It's not like the new coach will come, and all the players will magicly ressurect from their helath, physical and mental issues

Yes it can be. But changing a coach has many times had a certain effect in the team. That something must change now, we must try harder now, psychological issues you know. Like talked here, a fresh start and new things into the team. Clearly Rafa's methods are not working in this team one bit. Surely the new coach can be even worse than Rafa but that's life. But the current situation doesn't imply anything will get considerably better (which is needed in our case) if we continue like this (having Rafa).

 

[Sokrates]

It's obvious we need a new coach. Rafa was not a bad coach (Valencia times and first year at Liverpool), but now he sucks. We need a coach who knows the Serie A, and then we have to search for summer a new head coach. So we have enough time to find the right one. This summer, Mourinho left Inter, and our management had to search a coach very soon. No good coach were on the market. But now, we have time to find the right one for summer.

Benitez has always some alibis. And saying "without strikers it's hard" is a very hard declaration, because this doesn't help pandev to believ in himself.

You can see that the players play without motivation. Like somebody over me said, old players like Zanetti, Stanko or Cordoba give everything for Inter. But the "new" ones like Sneijder, Eto'o or Lucio doesn't give everything if they are not convicted in himself and the team. And that conviction Rafa can't give. A new coach until summer can bring up a fresh wind into the team. Now, we have just to reach the CL places, this has to be our target. But with Rafael Benitez as head coach, it seems very hard...

 

[CafeCordoba]

Benitez has always some alibis. And saying "without strikers it's hard" is a very hard declaration, because this doesn't help pandev to believ in himself.

You can see that the players play without motivation. Like somebody over me said, old players like Zanetti, Stanko or Cordoba give everything for Inter. But the "new" ones like Sneijder, Eto'o or Lucio doesn't give everything if they are not convicted in himself and the team. And that conviction Rafa can't give. A new coach until summer can bring up a fresh wind into the team. Now, we have just to reach the CL places, this has to be our target. But with Rafael Benitez as head coach, it seems very hard...

That is exactly what I think also. Our "Inter-hearted" core players give everything always but our normal core players won't give everything if the coach isn't doing his job right. And it's clear we can't have team full of "Inter-hearted" players. Now we need that fresh start with a new coach who can motivate the team again. Even if Rafa was a tactical genius, it's completely irrelevant at this point since what we need is a man-management guy, a player's coach who can inject some belief and self-confidence to the team.

 

[Ana Banana]

Sure new coach won't guarantee anything. But what Rafa will guarantee? IMO at this point Rafa will guarantee even less than a new coach. We KNOW what Rafa can bring. He can bring nothing to this team. Not entirely his fault, he's the victim of the circumstances. Sucks to be Rafa but that's how it is.

You are afraid of what if the new coach won't do better? So what? At least we tried then. By sticking with Rafa, we won't get anywhere, that is what we know at this point.

Pretty much exactly how I feel. At least we will have tried.

You can see that the players play without motivation. Like somebody over me said, old players like Zanetti, Stanko or Cordoba give everything for Inter. But the "new" ones like Sneijder, Eto'o or Lucio doesn't give everything if they are not convicted in himself and the team. And that conviction Rafa can't give. A new coach until summer can bring up a fresh wind into the team. Now, we have just to reach the CL places, this has to be our target. But with Rafael Benitez as head coach, it seems very hard...

:star:

 

[Pajo]

IN MEMORIAM OF MOURINHO (INTER TREBLE 2009-2010)

wtf? He aint dead man...

 

[Luka]

But the current situation doesn't imply anything will get considerably better (which is needed in our case) if we continue like this (having Rafa).

Let me ask you this question Cafe:

Had we have:
- Milito fit and in good form
- Eto'o available
- Maicon fit and in good form
- Samuel fit
- Sneijder in good form

do you believe the game yesterday would look like it looked ?

It is wrong to judge Benitez when constantly something just doesn't go our way. And it's not like I will say same things no matter what. No I won't. When the most of the squad is full (rare injuries, no more than 1 in each formation + eventual couple more unimortant ones) then it will be more fair to judge Rafa. It will be even more fair if we get the offensive reinforcments in january. And it will be totaly fair to judge Rafa in next season, once this season (the season after trebble) is passed.

Before we had inform Eto'o, who was doing 75% of our work in offense, but we had Cuchu, Motta and Dejan injured, or just returning back from injuries.

Yesterday we had Dejan, Cuchu and Motta (which improved our possesion abbilities), but we lacked upfront when we didn't have Eto'o, but we had Pandev (we all know how is he doing now) and Biabiany who didn't have the best of games. On the bench there was Alibec from offensive players. That's it.

And I'm suppose to judge Rafa based on those conditions in this game ? Sorry, but I'm usualy a very fair guy, and I think it is not fair to judge (anybody), when the conditions to judge upon are not proper.

 

[blackmore]

It is wrong to judge Benitez when constantly something just doesn't go our way.

Luka this is the best way to judge somebody. Strength is best shown through dire times, it seperates the men from the boys

 

[Sokrates]

It is the job from the coach to bring the players in form, also the players from the bench. I don't think it's not Benitez fault if Sneijder plays worse, Cuchu plays worse, Lucio plays worse and Milito plays like shit. It has to do with the coach. If you don't see this, it's sad...

 

[Lionheart]

Moratti should have consulted with Mou first before signing a new coach. He should have asked about Mou's recommendation about who would be be capable the best to continue what Mou started.

 

[CafeCordoba]

Let me ask you this question Cafe:

Had we have:
- Milito fit and in good form
- Eto'o available
- Maicon fit and in good form
- Samuel fit
- Sneijder in good form

do you believe the game yesterday would look like it looked ?

It is wrong to judge Benitez when constantly something just doesn't go our way. And it's not like I will say same things no matter what. No I won't. When the most of the squad is full (rare injuries, no more than 1 in each formation + eventual couple more unimortant ones) then it will be more fair to judge Rafa. It will be even more fair if we get the offensive reinforcments in january. And it will be totaly fair to judge Rafa in next season, once this season (the season after trebble) is passed.

Before we had inform Eto'o, who was doing 75% of our work in offense, but we had Cuchu, Motta and Dejan injured, or just returning back from injuries.

Yesterday we had Dejan, Cuchu and Motta (which improved our possesion abbilities), but we lacked upfront when we didn't have Eto'o, but we had Pandev (we all know how is he doing now) and Biabiany who didn't have the best of games. On the bench there was Alibec from offensive players. That's it.

And I'm suppose to judge Rafa based on those conditions in this game ? Sorry, but I'm usualy a very fair guy, and I think it is not fair to judge (anybody), when the conditions to judge upon are not proper.

At this point, I'm not actually even judging Rafa anymore. I'm judging the whole situation, the whole package. And the whole situation is unbearable. And the easiest way out of it is to change the coach. We can't change most of our personnel in the squad so changing the coach is the easiest way. We simply can't wait and wait and hope Rafa will get everything better. Now it's much more than just injuries. It's a mental block or something. Most of the players don't give their all. And that is in Rafa's responsibility zone. He can't get enough out of the players. A fresh start is needed.

Like I've said many times, Rafa is a victim of the circumstances. New coach won't have the same situation, because he will be a new guy in front of the team. Rafa has been here for some months, he's been at the front of the team, he has trained them and the result is this what we've seen (no matter if there are injuries or not, we've lost to fucking Chievo, we've drew with Lecce and Brescia at Meazza). He's done. Not totally his fault at all, but this is what it is.

This is not about fairness, it's about results. With this path, we can quite well miss the CL spots. I honestly think so. And that is the doom if we miss that spot.

 

[Lionheart]

Its clear we are nearing the end of a cycle. Everything that is good does not last for ever. I totaly agree that MM is to blame, but now lets think for a moment about rafa. In the current crisis we are in, does it seem likely that he will be able to pick us up from the duldrems that we are in now, even with a fit squad. Surely the psychological damage has been done. Is it not the theory that the team that wins everything in the previous season, will come back laxidazicle? (+ the rest of the post)

:star: This was an excellent post from ma man. I specially liked the pussy part

I think the content of the post is basically the same thing 95% of what we all think.

Sad part is, doesn't matter what we think even completely justified, it's not in our hand & we just have to wait for the men in the top floor to take action, hopefully in the direction we're wishing for.

I personally can't imagine our shirt next year without the beautiful Scudetto badge on it. It has been a part of it for the past 5 years. What the fuck just went wrong A true nightmare.

 

[Luka]

It is the job from the coach to bring the players in form, also the players from the bench. I don't think it's not Benitez fault if Sneijder plays worse, Cuchu plays worse, Lucio plays worse and Milito plays like shit. It has to do with the coach. If you don't see this, it's sad...

Cuchu doesn't play worse, nor Lucio. Especialy the last one (the first one also didn't play best whole last year).

As for form, it all is different in different situation. Nobody would blame coach for how Quaresma or Mancini did. Blaming Benitez (completely) for the fact some players are off-form is not fair imo.

Like I've said many times, Rafa is a victim of the circumstances. New coach won't have the same situation, because he will be a new guy in front of the team.

He won't have the same situation ?

In this regard the new coach MIGHT (he will not definetly do it, mind you) change only ONE circumstance out of it all, the one you've said, and that is this mental block, and if the players just aren't comfortable with Benitez.

So if he would change this one circumstance, wouldn't players still be injured, the ones we have now ? Wouldn't we still be lacking offensive options that we should get in the summer ?

The new coach will not make those things disapear, especialy the ones he has no influence on.

And the easiest way out of it is to change the coach. We can't change most of our personnel in the squad so changing the coach is the easiest way.

It's always the easiest to change the coach, ofcourse it is. But if it was up to me, I'd think hard and long, if the thing that is the easiest to do, is the best thing to do.

 

[Pajo]

Luka, except eto, EVERYONE plays worse... EVERYONE... It's not 1, 2, nor 5 players, it's 10 out of 11... You have to blame the coach there. It's not only motivating, but as i said before, he is misusing the players. Sneijder plays too high, Miltio or whoever is our CF goes behind sneijder very often, like we saw yesterday, pandev was behind sneijder many times, and when wes got the ball he didnt have no one to pass to, something that should NEVER happen. Cambiasso is playing to high, Lucio and Samuel werent rock solid like lasy year because they dont have the speed to play so high. That high defensive line is killing us tbh...

Also, lets not forget maicon, who of course is playing bad mostly due his morale. However, rafa tactics doesnt help him either. He is playing as defensive RB, doesnt go forwards as he used to. And tbh, his main advantage as full back is his runs towards the right flank, something he doesnt do under rafa.

so i am not saying it's all rafas fault, but his tactics doesnt help our players AT ALL... kets not even go to rafas man management system or motivating skills... Just, lets not go there...

 

[blackmore]

Think about it like this. Pandev is having a terrible time of late, and finally scores a goal. Now you would think that scoring would have only lifted his spirits a little and Rafa should have fed on that. Instead, what does the raf go and do? In his post match press conference, he says that the team is hurting because of the lack of forward power in his line-up. What the fuck is Goran? Isnt he not a forward. Nice way to build on a players attitude, isnt it? Isnt that not going to affect Goran psychologically?

Now you wonder why everyone(besides eto cause he's just a warrior) is playing the way they are. Great man management ill tell you from rafa. I wonder what goes on behind closed doors. I remember reading an article from Stevie G once(i wish ata was here to verify), and he was saying that he never played for a manager like rafa before. He was extremely hard to please, and he would never give out compliments to his players.

He has a history of doing stupid stuff like that. Dropping dudek the next season after he just won them the CL final game, and having public spats with benayoun and alonso over the silliest most trivial things, just to name a few.

He is not the guy for us as he does not suit the team, and its simple as that. A good manager will admit theres problems.... ex. "On the day there were two teams, one good and one bad". Not his kind of bullshit that he serves on the regular.

 

[Pajo]

He is not the guy for us as he does not suit the team, and its simple as that. .

no need to spend words anymore.. that says everything.