2012/2013 Midfielders Rumors Thread

[A.l.i]

PSG after Fernando. Guess we'll have to be content with Behrami.

 

[homaru]

I'm a lifelong Manchester City fan, even when we were in the second division and our local derby was Macclesfield Town. I don't like the way the club has been run for the last few years with the clueless Mancini in charge, with mercenaries like Nasri, Balotelli and Yaya Toure. Luckily we've hired Ferran Soriano and Txiki B to oversee the development of the youth system, Barcelona/Ajax style where every youth team plays the same formation from the age of 6.

I hate City! Man United for life! But finally I find a city fan who doesnt like their mercenaries and would would rather have them use youth players! It's a miracle!

 

[Sassuolu]

Omg this argument about City being mercenaries and United not being mercenaries is fucking retarded. Why do you think players join United and not stay at their home clubs it's because United gives you a big fat contract, same goes for Inter (not as much now), City, Barca etc. That's how football works, you've got a 15 year career which could be limited by injury and you need to make money so you and your family could live comfortably, it's not a matter of mercenaries it's common sense. If people offer you 10 times more money to do the same job would you take it? Of course you would, don't be fucking hypocrites and stop it with this nonsense at this level everyone (with some exceptions to the rule) plays for money and rightfully so.

 

[homaru]

MM&B logic: Behrami 5M€>>>Nainggolan 15m€

I have enough of this...

get me Thohir or someone competent

Nainggolan is younger than Behrami. Also, Napoli will be more reluctant to sell Behrami than Cagliari would be to sell Nainggolan. Since Behrami is valuable to Napoli, they may raise his price. For Nainggolan, we could offer players plus cash, but napoli wouldnt want our dead wood.

 

[monster09]

Did you even read half of the discussion?

I didnt "ignore" anything, i picked that starting point because were are talking recent history and i thought 10 years was a suitable timeline, what do you want? Go back 50 years? Give me a break...

I didnt nitpick "specific years", dont use expressions you dont understand please. I chose the last 10 years, thats not "nit picking" years.

And i didnt point it out to show that Inter did great, i pointed it out to show that Barcas, Uniteds ect ect success has very very little to do with their youth systems and more to do with the money they spend and the players they buy, just every other team, including Inter. Sure many clubs have better youth system and develop better players, but in the end its the economy that makes the difference.

Anyone who thinks that these clubs succes are based upon their youth sector and developing and integrating those players in the first team have no clue whatsoever. It happens so rarely that big clubs actually manages to do this, Barca stroke luck within a few years with Iniesta and Xavi, but that doesnt mean its "you can do". Barca's main reason for succes comes from being a buying club, just like very other big club.

Look at your own club, your entire succes last season was based around splashing out for RVP.

Ignoring the season Rio, Evans, Rafael, De Gea, Carrick had just to make a point about RVP. No club can win trophies by relying only on their academy, but Barca, United and Bayern promote young players as well as buy talents to compete instead of only buying talents.

If you think United success has nothing to do with their academy then you haven't got a clue. Go to the clubs's golden period, Busby babes was almost full of academy players, 90s success coincided with the class of 92 along with transfer of Cantona.

In the last 10 years we haven't promoted as much as in 90s as you can't produce players like Giggs and Scholes for fun, still we have Welbeck, Evans, Fletcher, Cleverley in the first team squad. Also one big difference with United is they buy young players with potential and develop them like Rafael, Fabio, Ronaldo. They also buy proven players like Berba, Veron, RVP but most of the transfers are mostly young players who has good potential.

Oh btw Barca's entire success depends on their academy. Their core team and except one or two players every player is from their academy. Teams should splash the cash to make themselves competent but the teams like Barca, ManUtd, Bayern don't ignore their academy players.

I know what this discussion was about, no one said Barca, ManUtd, Bayern, Dortmund don't spend at all, at least they promote their players when the talent is obvious rather than splashing the cash for everything.

 

[crzdcolombian]

I hate City! Man United for life! But finally I find a city fan who doesnt like their mercenaries and would would rather have them use youth players! It's a miracle!

haha Mercenaries? Mean name to call a foreign player. All foreign players want money and to win titles that is why they go to Man U. If Man U has 5 shit seasons and somehow Reading or South HAmpton win 2-3 titles or hell a champions league. Do you think Man U still going to get the best players? Same with Italy and why we are having such a hard time bringing in good guys. It's not being a Mercenary it's called wanting to win.

 

[Suraj]

Yeah De Rossi wouldn't cost less that 20M even though he may not be worth that much

 

[homaru]

haha Mercenaries? Mean name to call a foreign player. All foreign players want money and to win titles that is why they go to Man U. If Man U has 5 shit seasons and somehow Reading or South HAmpton win 2-3 titles or hell a champions league. Do you think Man U still going to get the best players? Same with Italy and why we are having such a hard time bringing in good guys. It's not being a Mercenary it's called wanting to win.

I'm talking about money, not winning trophies. its good to want trophies, but a player shouldnt move to teams just for money.

 

[wera]

When did we play celtic recently? btw, I would like us to promote Duncan or get Nainggolan instead of Wanyama, who is better suited to the english league.

 

[Ojap]

Oh btw Barca's entire success depends on their academy. Their core team and except one or two players every player is from their academy. Teams should splash the cash to make themselves competent but the teams like Barca, ManUtd, Bayern don't ignore their academy players.

I know what this discussion was about, no one said Barca, ManUtd, Bayern, Dortmund don't spend at all, at least they promote their players when the talent is obvious rather than splashing the cash for everything.

Can you please stop trying to suit you argument by going 20 years back in time? We are talking the last 10 years. It silly tbh, because 20 years ago pretty much every team were developing and using far more academy players due to the fact that there were restrictions in the forerigner area. Even a genius like you should be able to figure out the connection between your great 90's academy area and then why (as you said yourself) it has slowed down after the year 2000.

lol at barca's entire succes depending their academy, so thats why had to spend 340m€ net in the last 10 years? That makes alot of sense... I would love to see how well Barca or united would have turned out with inters budget in the last 10 years.

I never said that the youth has nothing to do with clubs succes, but compared to the financial factor, its very minor. Barca are pretty much the only example of their academy players being the best in the team as well, in uniteds first team the academy players are almost all fringe players. One exception, being Barca, doesnt make a rule.

And no, you apparently still dont have a clue what the discussion was about. Some genius here was saying Inter was following a "city model", thats why i pulled up the transfer numbers in the first place.

 

[crzdcolombian]

I'm talking about money, not winning trophies. its good to want trophies, but a player shouldnt move to teams just for money.

You think any South American would leave South America for europe if it was not for money? River, Santos and Boca would be the 3 biggest teams in the world. Outside of Bayern, Real and Barca. European leagues would suck balls. I just find it annoying when people are like OMG a player wants money !!! No shit that is why they play.


Well that and pussy !! They get some real good pussy

 

[homaru]

Well that and pussy !! They get some real good pussy

True, they do get really hot girls, even if they are ugly and bad footballers.

 

[Inter7]

when does the transfer window officially open?

 

[monster09]

Can you please stop trying to suit you argument by going 20 years back in time? We are talking the last 10 years. It silly tbh, because 20 years ago pretty much every team were developing and using far more academy players due to the fact that there were restrictions in the forerigner area. Even a genius like you should be able to figure out the connection between your great 90's academy area and then why (as you said yourself) it has slowed down after the year 2000.

lol at barca's entire succes depending their academy, so thats why had to spend 340m€ net in the last 10 years? That makes alot of sense... I would love to see how well Barca or united would have turned out with inters budget in the last 10 years.

I never said that the youth has nothing to do with clubs succes, but compared to the financial factor, its very minor. Barca are pretty much the only example of their academy players being the best in the team as well, in uniteds first team the academy players are almost all fringe players. One exception, being Barca, doesnt make a rule.

And no, you apparently still dont have a clue what the discussion was about. Some genius here was saying Inter was following a "city model", thats why i pulled up the transfer numbers in the first place.

It's a shit point going 10 years back as going just 15 years back you will have completely different net transfer spend.

In the last 20 years, in all the leagues the teams that relied on Youth academy won lot more than that relied only on money. ManUtd in England, Barca in Spain and Bayern in Germany. Not sure who was most successful in Italy.

Going 10 years back to prove something is bull shit point as we know what happened post calciopoli and how Inter need not buy anyone to compete, in the same period ManUtd had to fight against Chelsea who were spending so much money and with ManCity, Barca against Madrid.

lol at barca's entire succes depending their academy, so thats why had to spend 340m€ net in the last 10 years?

Lol? Ok lets see. Barca's core for all their success is Valdes, Puyol, Pique, Xavi, Iniesta, Biscuits, Messi, Pedro who were all from La Masia then Dani Alvez, Abidal, Villa/Eto'o who were bought from other teams. How does this not prove that their success is because of their youth academy?

Their net spend was nothing but Barca being idiots in the market like buying Ibra for 45 Million plus Eto'o or that CB chgrysomething for 25 Million or Milito for 30 Million. Their transfers were failure, their academy saved them.

Taking 15 years into consideration, Inter spent a lot like City did.

 

[ManchesterInterista]

As I've said before, the reality is that without Calciopoli we probably wouldn't have won anything. Do we want to wait around for another scandal to wipe out the competition so we can win again, or learn from our errors, rebuild the club and win some respectable honours?
The irony is that Juventus adopted an Inter-esque transfer policy buying expensive foreign 'stars' like Diego, Amauri, Melo, Poulsen, Tiago, Andrade, Sissoko and so on, and that resulted in 2 7th placed finished. Then they revert back to to putting faith in Italian players like Giaccherini, Matri, Padoin, Bonucci, Pepe and cast offs like Barzagli and Pirlo, the kind of players many on here would deem average and substandard, that they win Serie A 2 years running.

Building a football team is about putting the right players in the right positions, compatible with their teammates and willing to selflessly work for the benefit of the club. No Recobas, no Quaresmas, no Adrianos and even no Ronaldos.

This season United's midfield was generally Valencia-Carrick-Cleverley-Welbeck. City's was Silva-Toure-Barry-Nasri. On paper City have the better midfield. United's midfield has Premier League winners medals. They Cleverley's off the ball running provided the platform for Carrick to create while Welbeck and Valencia worked up and down, keeping their positions out wide, stretching teams so Rooney could find space in the hole. It's a very primitive but effective system. City had Nasri killing Silva's game by running into the same areas looking for the short give and go whereas James Milner (who in my opinion should be the first name on the team sheet in central midfield) runs into space giving Silva options to utilise his passing ability and also creating space by pulling defenders away from the Spaniard. Yaya Toure is a lazy burden who leaves the massively underrated Gareth Barry to do the work of two men in midfield, but the African has a clause in his contract that stipulates that he has to play if he declares himself available (the kind of desperate, braindead shit Moratti would do) so knows he is untouchable regardless of his general lack of effort/effectiveness.

I'm a City and Inter fan so it isn't nice to admit it, but United and Juventus better understand the key principles of football, whereas we appear to be trying too hard. Simplicity is the key; I just hope Mazzarri helps us realise that.

 

[Ojap]

It's a shit point going 10 years back as going just 15 years back you will have completely different net transfer spend.

In the last 20 years, in all the leagues the teams that relied on Youth academy won lot more than that relied only on money. ManUtd in England, Barca in Spain and Bayern in Germany. Not sure who was most successful in Italy.

Going 10 years back to prove something is bull shit point as we know what happened post calciopoli and how Inter need not buy anyone to compete, in the same period ManUtd had to fight against Chelsea who were spending so much money and with ManCity, Barca against Madrid.

Its not bullshit, when are talking recent history. 10 years is not even all that "recent". 15-20 is definitely not recent at all as it was a completely different era of football back then with the 3 foreigner rule, which was abolished from the start of 1996, a rule which especially the brits moaned about. The connection between clubs focus on talent development and using academy players in the first team before and after this rule should be clear to anyone and it should be quite obvious why its pretty pointless to go that far back in time.

Inter didnt need to buy anyone? They couldnt buy anyone, they had very little money, you are also talking like Inter won all those scudetto without any problems which is pure horseshit. The 09/10 scudetto was won on the last matchday, even with that great treble team Roma almost got it. Same goes for the 06/07 scudetto, won on the last match day as well. So saying Inter didnt need to buy anyone to compete is laughable. Didnt Milan win the CL 2007 (trashing united in the process), but yea the league was piss i suppose...

Lol? Ok lets see. Barca's core for all their success is Valdes, Puyol, Pique, Xavi, Iniesta, Biscuits, Messi, Pedro who were all from La Masia then Dani Alvez, Abidal, Villa/Eto'o who were bought from other teams. How does this not prove that their success is because of their youth academy?

Their net spend was nothing but Barca being idiots in the market like buying Ibra for 45 Million plus Eto'o or that CB chgrysomething for 25 Million or Milito for 30 Million. Their transfers were failure, their academy saved them.

Their net spend was nothing? Like ive written 4 times now, they spent 360m NET in the last 10 years. Also lol at Valdes and Pedro being integral for their succes. It's not like Eto'o, Villa, alves and many more ect ect were perhaps the the absolutely best in the world in their position in their prime, i guess they werent that important, Barca could easily have won without them..

In any case, Barca are the only team who you can argue having having great succes with their academy players, but thats the exception, not the rule and they are still one of the top 5 top spenders in the last 10 years and wouldnt have gotten their succes without buying those superstars.

In other news, Bayern finally won the treble now. It only cost them around 250m€ over the last 10 years, i guess now you are going to tell me Bayern has alot more competition in german league than Inter had in serie a in those 4 years up to the treble...

 

[homaru]

when does the transfer window officially open?

June 1, which is today

 

[Nerazzurri_Ninja]

PPL keep talking about Calciopoli like its our fault other teams cheated, Truth is they were stealing from Two Italian Legends:

Vieri's Inter and Totti's Roma.

 

[vasilios]

June 1, which is today

No, it's the 1st of July.

 

[Hawk_RS]

Stop talking nonses about calciopoli, yes it took out competence, but we still did good things in champions, so our level wasnt that bad, besides this is a midfielders rumors thread, no about the value of our titles

now ONtopic, damn P$G!! just tooking our players away hahaha, how much for fernando?? i mean, our rumor offer?