2022 World Cup Qatar

[Pharaoh]

I don't necessarily have a problem with giving it to a specific country in hopes of boosting their economy. I just feel the criteria should be much more strict when proving the will have the infrastructure set in time.

Browha, that's my point, England would need some building but finishing the last 30% is much more realistic then fucking 90%. Also another huge part is that these damn countries/cities need to prove that this shit will be put to very good use after the event is completed. ADR is 100% right, a lot of these stadiums won't see the light of day again, or will be hosting shitty division 3 finals for the rest of their existence.

 

[Dylan]

I thought they claimed to be dismantling the stadia afterwards and giving it to Africa?

 

[.h.]

You and I both know the Olympics, WC, etc do not lead to economic development (I'm not saying you believe that, but in general people have a major misconception about that). They're a one time phenomenon that results in a large amount of sunk funds, and the rewards of the investment quickly evaporate over time. Buildings and stadiums become abandoned. Businesses lose sustainability. It's easier for London to take a hit than it is Johannesburg because most of the infrastructure is already in place.

That's why having a place like Qatar host the event makes no sense. I feel bad for the people of Qatar really, they're exchanging one month of glory (potentially) for several years of suffering both economically and (apparently) physically.

I dont entirely agree. East London has come a long way, partially because of the olympics. Much better infrastructure, less derelict/shitty buildings, it's thriving because of the Olympics.

That's not to say of course that it will happen for every country, but it's also not clear that it will suffer from it.

I don't necessarily have a problem with giving it to a specific country in hopes of boosting their economy. I just feel the criteria should be much more strict when proving the will have the infrastructure set in time.

Browha, that's my point, England would need some building but finishing the last 30% is much more realistic then fucking 90%. Also another huge part is that these damn countries/cities need to prove that this shit will be put to very good use after the event is completed. ADR is 100% right, a lot of these stadiums won't see the light of day again, or will be hosting shitty division 3 finals for the rest of their existence.

Not disputing that, I'm just saying. You need to look beyond the stadia, though. Look at job creation, supporting the construction industry, building new hotels, building infrastructure and improving transportation links...

 

[Pharaoh]

This is a chicken vs egg scenario.

And in this case I think he infrastructure needs to come first. You need to be able to prove that your country will be able to withstand the burden of hosting the WC and I don't think the next three WC can do that. Russia on more of a safety concern more than anything else

 

[Coasterfreek]

What a joke if it's moved to the winter. I believe I just laughed when I heard Qatar won the fucking World Cup. Biggest event on the planet and some tiny little emirate in the Middle East gets to host it? Being filthy rich and having greedy scum of the earth running FIFA sure helped things though. I'd like to see Sepp Blatter shot into the sun. Before that, I'd like to kick him in the balls with steel toes however.

Just give it to the fucking Yanks. They did a good job in '94. Plus I could actually see some games assuming I'm not dead from a cocaine overdose or tied down to a family and living a horrible middle-class suburban life in 2022. Both are grim possibilities.

I must be dreaming that someone said they're Pro-USA... on anything

 

[ScottishInterista]

People are suggesting the Aussies will get it if there is a re-bid

 

[ADRossi]

Read this article.

I know it's long, but just skim it. It shows you the economic reality of a WC for probably the most suitable country in the world to host one.

http://www.umbc.edu/economics/wpapers/wp_10_121.pdf

A quick excerpt

The key to any sizable impact from hosting an inter national event such as the World Cups the net increase in tourists and tourist spending associated with the event. Maennig (2007) considered international tourism, retail sales, and overnight stays in Germany during the World
Cup. Maennig found an increase in foreign tourist expenditures of about 60 million Euros for the entire year of 2006 compared to 2005, which he describes as “an amount that in terms of the total economy is negligible, from whatever perspective it is considered.”

 

[Pharaoh]

I must be dreaming that someone said they're Pro-USA... on anything

Actually, people were fairly supportive of US getting the bid for the 2022 WC. We have a fuckton of stadiums that could easily hold 60,000-100,000 spectators if not more. Also assuming that they require actual grass and not synthetic turf.

Just off the top of my head,

Coliseum both the trojan & raiders, Rose Bowl, the Big house, Cowboy Stadium, Soldier Field, Lincoln Memorial, Gillette, Sunlife, Lambeau

All places with history & plenty of room. And not much investment, probably just revamping the stadiums if anything.


Buuuuut nope! Lets risk having a shitty world cup because we want to boost a country's economy that can't even build the stadiums in time ZZZZZZZZZ

 

[Coasterfreek]

Actually, people were fairly supportive of US getting the bid for the 2022 WC. We have a fuckton of stadiums that could easily hold 60,000-100,000 spectators if not more. Also assuming that they require actual grass and not synthetic turf.

Just off the top of my head,

Coliseum both the trojan & raiders, Rose Bowl, the Big house, Cowboy Stadium, Soldier Field, Lincoln Memorial, Gillette, Sunlife, Lambeau

All places with history & plenty of room. And not much investment, probably just revamping the stadiums if anything.


Buuuuut nope! Lets risk having a shitty world cup because we want to boost a country's economy that can't even build the stadiums in time ZZZZZZZZZ

But everyone on here would complain that We're using American football stadiums for Football games! blivious: I know blackmore on here would've bitched about it if USA won the bid.

 

[.h.]

Read this article.

I know it's long, but just skim it. It shows you the economic reality of a WC for probably the most suitable country in the world to host one.

http://www.umbc.edu/economics/wpapers/wp_10_121.pdf


A quick excerpt

but that's completely different. You have most of the infrastructure, for example, in place already. If - and I dont know if this is what is happening, but I'm using it as an example - you invest in infrastructure and connect all your main cities by high speed trains, that already is probably worth it just for boosting the trade and travel between them. If you have to build a new airport, or rejuvenate parts of town, that also works well.

 

[Pharaoh]

but that's completely different. You have most of the infrastructure, for example, in place already. If - and I dont know if this is what is happening, but I'm using it as an example - you invest in infrastructure and connect all your main cities by high speed trains, that already is probably worth it just for boosting the trade and travel between them. If you have to build a new airport, or rejuvenate parts of town, that also works well.

TBH idk how much of the extra stuff you're adding on actually happens. I can understand new restaurants, housing, hotels, nightlife springing up around the stadiums...........but airports and inter-city transportation is a little much if you ask me.

 

[ADRossi]

TBH idk how much of the extra stuff you're adding on actually happens. I can understand new restaurants, housing, hotels, nightlife springing up around the stadiums...........but airports and inter-city transportation is a little much if you ask me.

Exactly.

Building hotels that will have vacancy signs up the day the WC ends, restaurants that may not attract enough customers to be viable once the event ends, these are all long term commitments that tend to fail for the sake of a one-off, short term spike in tourism. Developing countries simply do not have the money to go throwing it around on luxuries such as this. The WC cannot fix a country's infrastructure.

 

[.h.]

TBH idk how much of the extra stuff you're adding on actually happens. I can understand new restaurants, housing, hotels, nightlife springing up around the stadiums...........but airports and inter-city transportation is a little much if you ask me.

I believe for the Olympics there was a substantial increase in trains and infrastructure for East London, but I might be wrong (dont live there).

And look here, figure 2 pg 13:

http://www.afdb.org/fileadmin/uploa...South Africa A Granger Causality Analysis.pdf

Infrastructure investment increased like 2.5 fold in South Africa in the lead up to the world cup

 

[Pharaoh]

I believe for the Olympics there was a substantial increase in trains and infrastructure for East London, but I might be wrong (dont live there).

And look here, figure 2 pg 13:

http://www.afdb.org/fileadmin/uploa...South Africa A Granger Causality Analysis.pdf

Infrastructure investment increased like 2.5 fold in South Africa in the lead up to the world cup

TBH what I care more about is the return of investment. Sure now they might be building etc, but I'm more curious about how the place looks 5 years from now, if it's empty and back to being where it was, then fuck it the WC obviously isn't helping. But if Jo-burg BOOMS and SA's economy stabilizes into something respectable then so be it. At the same time.........how many stadiums were built for Jo-burg? I doubt it was the number Brazil is getting.

 

[Cal]

I find it a bit rich that this is all coming from English journalists. Seems like its sour grapes over their bid for 2018. Trying to push the corruption and bribery angle when actually they were willing to oblige to it when they thought they were favorites to get the world cup, bankrolling projects in the Caribbean in exchange for Jack Warner's support, even ending in a friendly in Trinidad. Whistle blowers for corruption often tends to be the disgruntled.

 

[ADRossi]

I find it a bit rich that this is all coming from English journalists. Seems like its sour grapes over their bid for 2018. Trying to push the corruption and bribery angle when actually they were willing to oblige to it when they thought they were favorites to get the world cup, bankrolling projects in the Caribbean in exchange for Jack Warner's support, even ending in a friendly in Trinidad. Whistle blowers for corruption often tends to be the disgruntled.

FIFA bids by every country in the world are a farce. Word.

 

[Wings]

I believe for the Olympics there was a substantial increase in trains and infrastructure for East London, but I might be wrong (dont live there).

And look here, figure 2 pg 13:

http://www.afdb.org/fileadmin/uploa...South Africa A Granger Causality Analysis.pdf

Infrastructure investment increased like 2.5 fold in South Africa in the lead up to the world cup

I've done no research, but the volume of infrastructure built is surely excessive when looking long-term. That's when you have problems with maintenance for hotels, airports, public transit etc. that are built to overcapacity. Not to mention that the rush to build everything often results in corruption and shoddy work.

 

[Kakaroto]

People are suggesting the Aussies will get it if there is a re-bid

If that happens my life goal will be to save enough money to go there and drink some beers with Fitzy.

 

[Fitzy]

If that happens my life goal will be to save enough money to go there and drink some beers with Fitzy.

You don't need a World Cup to do that, mate.

 

[Dylan]

You don't even need a Cup.