2023/2024 Forwards Rumours Thread

[varmin]

It`s not about Moratti bad and those crooks good. But it is a great level of hipocrisy here. Premier League is now what Serie A was in 80`and 90`. In the 80` Zico and Elkjaer Larsen, one of the best players in those years, played for minions like Udinese and Verona.
Under Moratti we were the biggest spender in the world for years. We were the PSG`s and Chelsea`s from `90. There is no difference. Probably we were one of the most despise team from the same reasons you despise the EPL.

So, when many praise Moratti and despise EPL and PSG`s, they don´t do that from ethical or moral reasons like destroying the football. There is just envy, because they can do now what we cannot do anymore.
This is the most important rule in life since homo sapiens stand up on his feet: the strong one fuck the weak one. Under Moratti we were the strong one and boy, we fucked many! And now we are weak and our ass get drilled. Nothing false or immoral. Just life.

I agree with you apart from one small correction. The difference between Serie A back then and EPL now, is that FFP which benefits hugely only the EPL teams and weakens the rest (apart from oil money of PSG apparently). There is no fair competition while in 90s there were no restrictions as far as remember.

 

[bubba zanetti]

It`s not about Moratti bad and those crooks good. But it is a great level of hipocrisy here. Premier League is now what Serie A was in 80`and 90`. In the 80` Zico and Elkjaer Larsen, one of the best players in those years, played for minions like Udinese and Verona.
Under Moratti we were the biggest spender in the world for years. We were the PSG`s and Chelsea`s from `90. There is no difference. Probably we were one of the most despise team from the same reasons you despise the EPL.

So, when many praise Moratti and despise EPL and PSG`s, they don´t do that from ethical or moral reasons like destroying the football. There is just envy, because they can do now what we cannot do anymore.
This is the most important rule in life since homo sapiens stand up on his feet: the strong one fuck the weak one. Under Moratti we were the strong one and boy, we fucked many! And now we are weak and our ass get drilled. Nothing false or immoral. Just life.

No, we were not PSG and Chelsea from 90s. We were already historically one of the biggest clubs in the world, PSG and Chelski were mid tier clubs till oil money came.

 

[brakbrak]

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Thus would solve our forward problem without being buttfucked financially. Sensi+15m for Dia would be good.

 

[NimAraya]

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Interesting. What about the figures?

 

[qb4ever_2k]

Thus would solve our forward problem without being buttfucked financially. Sensi+15m for Dia would be good.

Get real. It would be 30m+Sensi at the minimum. Salernitana just bought Dia outright this summer for like 25m.

 

[vasilios]

It was 12mil. Not that it matters, as soon as we ask he becomes a 40mil striker.

 

[brakbrak]

Get real. It would be 30m+Sensi at the minimum. Salernitana just bought Dia outright this summer for like 25m.

They bought him for 12m, rumour when Milan was chasing him that Salernitana was requesting 25m. I said good, but most likely 20m+sensi and I don't hate it tbh.

 

[IM21]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1690303262342197249

 

[vex]

It was 12mil. Not that it matters, as soon as we ask he becomes a 40mil striker.

Nah, watch them ask for something reasonable and then watch our budget conveniently shrink a couple of millions from the asking price...

 

[varmin]

They bought him for 12m, rumour when Milan was chasing him that Salernitana was requesting 25m. I said good, but most likely 20m+sensi and I don't hate it tbh.

Dia had a clause set on 25mln which was valid till the middle of June iirc. Their president said that for him Dia is 40mln player and they will try to remove the clause. It could be only to push potential buyers to trigger the clause. We'll see, but definitely it won't be a straight swap with Sensi. Dia also hits me as a Correa's replacement not what we actually need right now.

 

[dor83]

I agree with you apart from one small correction. The difference between Serie A back then and EPL now, is that FFP which benefits hugely only the EPL teams and weakens the rest (apart from oil money of PSG apparently). There is no fair competition while in 90s there were no restrictions as far as remember.

I'd say that FFP has helped with how money is spent by these owners, in the 90s, owners just pumped money into signing players and everything else got neglected. Now, even sugar daddy owners are putting money into improving all aspects of clubs, most of these new owners will leave the club in better financial condition than they bought them. Probably the only good thing about FFP is that clubs need to become more self sufficient, look at Chelsea, Man City, PSG and even Newcastle already, if the owners walked away they be better off for it and making more of their own money than they were. I'm not trying to have a go at Moratti or defend the owners of these clubs, it's just view on how the game has changed since then.

 

[sdvroot]

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Give them both Correa and Sensi...

 

[varmin]

I'd say that FFP has helped with how money is spent by these owners, in the 90s, owners just pumped money into signing players and everything else got neglected. Now, even sugar daddy owners are putting money into improving all aspects of clubs, most of these new owners will leave the club in better financial condition than they bought them. Probably the only good thing about FFP is that clubs need to become more self sufficient, look at Chelsea, Man City, PSG and even Newcastle already, if the owners walked away they be better off for it and making more of their own money than they were. I'm not trying to have a go at Moratti or defend the owners of these clubs, it's just view on how the game has changed since then.

Dude, EPL clubs get so much money from inflated tv rights that they easily bypass the fuckin FFP. PSG just buy the people who are responsible for applying the rules. How was possible to get so many players and Mbappe for 180mln? How is possible UEFA to allow Neymar paying by himself 220mln release clause. How he collected so much money in first place? I didn't see that he get a credit in order to pay it.
I don't think that your examples are on spot.

 

[qb4ever_2k]

They bought him for 12m, rumour when Milan was chasing him that Salernitana was requesting 25m. I said good, but most likely 20m+sensi and I don't hate it tbh.

20-25m + Sensi would be great in this climate tbh. We'd find a definite solution for Sensi and have a striker who ticks all the boxes including being affordable.

Dia is also eligible for the tax cut thing.

 

[dor83]

Dude, EPL clubs get so much money from inflated tv rights that they easily bypass the fuckin FFP. PSG just buy the people who are responsible for applying the rules. How was possible to get so many players and Mbappe for 180mln? How is possible UEFA to allow Neymar paying by himself 220mln release clause. How he collected so much money in first place? I didn't see that he get a credit in order to pay it.
I don't think that your examples are on spot.

I agree with what you are saying, my point was that they are also investing in other areas, facilities, stadiums, growing revenue, etc. In the 90s owners didn't do this, they were solely worried about there players/managers, no money went elsewhere. I do also know that this is easier in EPL, but it is still possible in other leagues. I also agree that how FFP is implemented is very unfair, I was just trying to show the difference between how owners spent money then and now. FFP is completely biased towards the richer clubs but it can still have a positive impact, even if the huge negatives out way the small positive.

 

[andrei]

Dude, EPL clubs get so much money from inflated tv rights that they easily bypass the fuckin FFP. PSG just buy the people who are responsible for applying the rules. How was possible to get so many players and Mbappe for 180mln? How is possible UEFA to allow Neymar paying by himself 220mln release clause. How he collected so much money in first place? I didn't see that he get a credit in order to pay it.
I don't think that your examples are on spot.

Sorry @varmin, but he has a point!
Practically all these clubs have an academy that produce players! If these players a la long remain at their clubs is a different discussion! All these clubs have a proffesional marketing department!
Moratti had no interest of all in these things. He just hammered the other clubs from Ronaldo`s and Vieri`s. I may not be right. But from Bergomi, Zenga and until Santon I don`t know any player from primavera, who had a minimum change in our first team. And we shouldn`t start a discussion how our marketing was in Moratti`s tenure.

 

[wera]

Moratti bad, while Abramovich, PIF, Marinakis are all legitimate businessmen. God I despise the premier league with every fibre of my being.

Some of us never said Moratti was bad because he was rich, just that he was a bad president. So much money thrown away, so much potential gone because of bad choices, it's an actual miracle that we even won that CL

If we got better management and better transfers back then, we would win a lot more

 

[brehme1989]

It`s not about Moratti bad and those crooks good. But it is a great level of hipocrisy here. Premier League is now what Serie A was in 80`and 90`.

No, it's really not. That's what PL fans want to be fed by their media machine, but PL now is more like La Liga of the 90s, without Real Madrid and Barcelona. And without Serie A existing...

If you wanna compare it to Serie A 80s and 90s eras (or early 00s), then it's just a very much crippled version of it. Both legs crooked kind of crippled.

It's also apples to oranges given the limitations on roster building.

In the 80` Zico and Elkjaer Larsen, one of the best players in those years, played for minions like Udinese and Verona.

And Luka Modric and Erling Haaland are playing for Everton and Aston Villa, right?

Under Moratti we were the biggest spender in the world for years. We were the PSG`s and Chelsea`s from `90. There is no difference. Probably we were one of the most despise team from the same reasons you despise the EPL.

Not really. We got 1-2 flashy players every now and then but it's not like we got a new Ronaldo every season...

You're confusing us with Perez's Galacticos.

We actually spent a lot on "banter" quality players under Moratti's only spending spree (1999-2001)

So, when many praise Moratti and despise EPL and PSG`s, they don´t do that from ethical or moral reasons like destroying the football. There is just envy, because they can do now what we cannot do anymore.
This is the most important rule in life since homo sapiens stand up on his feet: the strong one fuck the weak one. Under Moratti we were the strong one and boy, we fucked many! And now we are weak and our ass get drilled. Nothing false or immoral. Just life.

No, man. I don't like using this term, but you're spouting ignorance here.

 

[BasedGodPunk]

People still blaming Moratti for inters shortcomings over a decade later lol

 

[brehme1989]

I agree with what you are saying, my point was that they are also investing in other areas, facilities, stadiums, growing revenue, etc. In the 90s owners didn't do this, they were solely worried about there players/managers, no money went elsewhere. I do also know that this is easier in EPL, but it is still possible in other leagues. I also agree that how FFP is implemented is very unfair, I was just trying to show the difference between how owners spent money then and now. FFP is completely biased towards the richer clubs but it can still have a positive impact, even if the huge negatives out way the small positive.

Without the TV rights and the owner capital influx, these are all losing operations. Even if they reduced their player salary base by 33% or even a half in some cases, they'd be losing. And they wouldn't be able to throw 120m at players.