2023/2024 Forwards Rumours Thread

[.h.]

No way we are giving the guy 4-5m net with the experience he has. I would never believe it. MAYBE 4m net with bonuses but even that would be a reach, simply too high given what he has shown so far. Transfer fee yes dictates salaries a bit but not this much. The age and experience dictates them much more.

On a 40mil transfer fee, he's entitled to command it tbh.

For me a reasonable rule of thumb is to take the transfer fee and divide it by the contract lifetime, you'll get a rough estimate of the salary for the player as a good ball park


Use Frattesi as an example - 5.5m gross, he's signed on 5 year contract, that's about his transfer fee (28mil) according to here - https://www.koha.net/en/sports/384337/the-fraternity-joins-the-inter/

 

[.h.]

You are clearly pumping up the numbers to justify Balogun rejection. But the salary numbers are clearly wrong.

The truth is, Juve promised Lukaku 12.5m net, that was why he stabbed behind our back. And the kid is demanding 3.5m+ net per year.

We are not paying a French League kid more than Lautaro lol.

Eh, lets see. It's all speculation atm, but I suspect you wont find him coming cheap, esp if we're paying a 40mil+ transfer fee for him.

RE Juve/Lukaku, what they promised is irrelevant really - you're using the Juve number to pump up Lukaku's cost. The principle agreement was 8mil net (?) I think with him, and if we were to sign him, it'd probably be in the 7-8mil net ballpark. We clearly are, in no world, paying 12mil/net for Lukaku.


By way of example, Tammy Abraham moved for 40mil to Roma, and he's on a 5mil/season basic net I believe (Cant 100% confirm from Google, one article suggests its about that but I'm not entirely clear if its true or not). Look at our last few big transfers, too. Hakimi? He was like 5-6mil net wasnt he?

7-8 from my side is probably a bit high, but I dont think he's going to land in at like 3-4mil net like some of you guys are hoping, especially on growth decree..

 

[qb4ever_2k]

We won't get Balogun for 60m. Come on guys. If he had 60m, we would go after Höjlund, big time.

Balogun is more closer to 40m. If Balogun doesn't totally bust, we can get the same money out of him, and if he does relatively well, we gonna profit from him. Unfortunately this is the state we are at where we need to think about resale values. But his salary will be half of what Lukaku would have made.

I'd still be extremely uncomfortable to spend 40m on Balogun. 40m would get you Openda and Wahi is available for less. If we look further, Lautaro Julian and Halaand (to Dortmund) were all better prospect and they went for around 20-25m.

He would also get a least 3.5m net per year too, which would make him extremely hard to shift, that's like 150k/w in England and most EPL teams don't pay that much for one player.

 

[Dave54]

why are you guys still talking about lukaku/

 

[CafeCordoba]

Eh, lets see. It's all speculation atm, but I suspect you wont find him coming cheap, esp if we're paying a 40mil+ transfer fee for him.

RE Juve/Lukaku, what they promised is irrelevant really - you're using the Juve number to pump up Lukaku's cost. The principle agreement was 8mil net (?) I think with him, and if we were to sign him, it'd probably be in the 7-8mil net ballpark. We clearly are, in no world, paying 12mil/net for Lukaku.


By way of example, Tammy Abraham moved for 40mil to Roma, and he's on a 5mil/season basic net I believe (Cant 100% confirm from Google, one article suggests its about that but I'm not entirely clear if its true or not). Look at our last few big transfers, too. Hakimi? He was like 5-6mil net wasnt he?

7-8 from my side is probably a bit high, but I dont think he's going to land in at like 3-4mil net like some of you guys are hoping, especially on growth decree..

You can't just look at the transfer fee. You need to look who you are signing. Hakimi was like a world class player already, experience in CL and so on. Abraham could be a good comparison BUT he had roughly the same amount of matches played in EPL what Balogun has in Ligue 1. I would assume the price goes up with that experience. He has shown he can score at that level, at big club. Balogun has shown he can score at Ligue 1 at some midtable club, that is simply a big difference.

I would be furious if we gave Balogun 5m net. He's a striker so he'll get more than midfielder, let alone defender. But he has shown very little in the grand scheme of things to be worth 5m net salary. Like I said, even 4m would bit of a reach in my books.

 

[CafeCordoba]

I'd still be extremely uncomfortable to spend 40m on Balogun. 40m would get you Openda and Wahi is available for less. If we look further, Lautaro Julian and Halaand (to Dortmund) were all better prospect and they went for around 20-25m.

He would also get a least 3.5m net per year too, which would make him extremely hard to shift, that's like 150k/w in England and most EPL teams don't pay that much for one player.

3.5M net per year at Italy is around 6.5M gross per year (but for us it would be lower because of the Growth Decree). Which is little over £100k/w gross in England.

 

[PHM1605]

Eh, lets see. It's all speculation atm, but I suspect you wont find him coming cheap, esp if we're paying a 40mil+ transfer fee for him.

RE Juve/Lukaku, what they promised is irrelevant really - you're using the Juve number to pump up Lukaku's cost. The principle agreement was 8mil net (?) I think with him, and if we were to sign him, it'd probably be in the 7-8mil net ballpark. We clearly are, in no world, paying 12mil/net for Lukaku.


By way of example, Tammy Abraham moved for 40mil to Roma, and he's on a 5mil/season basic net I believe (Cant 100% confirm from Google, one article suggests its about that but I'm not entirely clear if its true or not). Look at our last few big transfers, too. Hakimi? He was like 5-6mil net wasnt he?

7-8 from my side is probably a bit high, but I dont think he's going to land in at like 3-4mil net like some of you guys are hoping, especially on growth decree..

No one is saying Balogun is cheap. I say he is less than whatever cost to land Lukaku here. But we still refuse to pay and priotize shitty Morata because we underrate all kids. Not proving the point that better Lukaku versions do not exist.

 

[.h.]

You can't just look at the transfer fee. You need to look who you are signing. Hakimi was like a world class player already, experience in CL and so on. Abraham could be a good comparison BUT he had roughly the same amount of matches played in EPL what Balogun has in Ligue 1. I would assume the price goes up with that experience. He has shown he can score at that level, at big club. Balogun has shown he can score at Ligue 1 at some midtable club, that is simply a big difference.

I would be furious if we gave Balogun 5m net. He's a striker so he'll get more than midfielder, let alone defender. But he has shown very little in the grand scheme of things to be worth 5m net salary. Like I said, even 4m would bit of a reach in my books.

I dont disagree with anything you're saying my dude, I just think realistically that's whats gonna happen. 40mil (if not significantly more) on a striker, he's gonna turn round and ask at least £200k/week I think.

 

[.h.]

No one is saying Balogun is cheap. I say he is less than whatever cost to land Lukaku here. But we still refuse to pay and priotize shitty Morata because we underrate all kids. Not proving the point that better Lukaku versions do not exist.

I think the risk point I've made before comes into the question at this point, though. We're talking about our biggest transfer since, what, Lukaku himself? Balogun has had one good season so far, his time in the Championship looks like it was pretty shit and he's not made enough of an impact at Arsenal to break thorugh in what is probably their best manager in at least a decade for developing youth players

There's a very real world where one of our most expensive signings ever is a complete Joao Mario.

 

[Alex de Large]

0 votes for Lukaku

I can't believe that Juve rumor saved us from this hahahaa it can't be so easy. And now they don't even want him.

 

[bubba zanetti]

Lautaro, Thuram, Balogun, Correa. We gonna win scudetto with this. If Correa leaves(slim chance) and Scamacca comes instead we gonna brutalize whole league. But idiots will go for Moratta instead Balogun. Unbelievable.

 

[varmin]

Well, there's no way Inter was paying Lukaku 25m gross a year for 4 years, so lets take what is likely right?

Lukaku - 40m fee, 8m net (for an average of 14m gross over the lifetime of contract with growth decree IIRC) - that's 40+4*14 = 104million

Balogun - lets say we dont pay 60mil for him, but instead get him for 40+10m bonuses (I think thats optimistic, btw). 50mil. At 50mil transfer, considering Thuram, etc, he'd be well within his rights to ask for 7-8mil net. Lets say we go with 6m somehow magically - that's 9m/year gross. If he has two good years at Inter, he's definitely going to negotiate a new contract - and he'd be entitled to. That could easily push him to 8-9m net, and realistically, a 23/24 year old English home grown striker would easily command £300k+ a week in the UK, so lets say thats 15m gross a season with growth decree. 15*2+9*2 is 48mil, with 50mil transfer fee you're looking at basically the same price as Lukaku anyway

I saw a report that we have already agreed 3.5mln net with Balogun. And Lukaku as per the latest rumors was ready to reduce his wage to 7mln net.
I don't think that we'll pay more than 40mln for a striker, included bonuses. If it's true that Arsenal lowered their demands, maybe the only obstacle is Inzaghi, who wants more experienced forward.

 

[Dave54]

tbf, inzaghi does not care about resale numbers. he does not care for the financial future of the club. that's why his choices were lukaku and morata.

 

[.h.]

I saw a report that we have already agreed 3.5mln net with Balogun. And Lukaku as per the latest rumors was ready to reduce his wage to 7mln net.
I don't think that we'll pay more than 40mln for a striker, included bonuses. If it's true that Arsenal lowered their demands, maybe the only obstacle is Inzaghi, who wants more experienced forward.

Let's see. I hope that's true on balogun, I can stomach that cost, but tbh I don't really believe reports atm. These are the same guys who turn round and say Lukaku has been negotiating with Juve since before the CL, when there's been not even a rumour of Juve Lukaku for a month it's summer time they have to make shit up to fill column inches and keep viewership

And eg cuadrado came out of nowhere as well in the last week, it's only once his medical was booked that it was in the press

 

[CafeCordoba]

I saw a report that we have already agreed 3.5mln net with Balogun. And Lukaku as per the latest rumors was ready to reduce his wage to 7mln net.
I don't think that we'll pay more than 40mln for a striker, included bonuses. If it's true that Arsenal lowered their demands, maybe the only obstacle is Inzaghi, who wants more experienced forward.

Yep, remember that salary rumor aswell but don't remember the source.

I think Inter is Balogun's best bet to get real exposure to top football so unless some EPL clubs come after him, we can squeeze the price. But first we need to be certain we want him, ie. Inzaghi needs to want him. I agree with Inzaghi though that Balogun being our striker addition and going with Lautaro-Thuram-Balogun-Correa would be risky. Correa is just bad and Inzaghi wouldn't have a player he can insert into the lineup who knows exactly what he's up to when the Serie A season starts.

That's why Morata makes sense. We don't need 20 goals from Morata. Just 10 league goals might be enough, then some CL goals on top. But that's why we probably don't want to pay 20m for him.

 

[bubba zanetti]

Moratta can only come instead Correa, as a 4th choice. Other than that its a hard pass. This guy was only good in that one season when rube reached CL final. Other than that he was mediocre at best.

 

[varmin]

Let's see. I hope that's true on balogun, I can stomach that cost, but tbh I don't really believe reports atm. These are the same guys who turn round and say Lukaku has been negotiating with Juve since before the CL, when there's been not even a rumour of Juve Lukaku for a month it's summer time they have to make shit up to fill column inches and keep viewership

And eg cuadrado came out of nowhere as well in the last week, it's only once his medical was booked that it was in the press

I agree that those rumors could be wrong, but there is another thing, the market itself. I don't see any other clubs linked to Balogun, so he shall grab our offer, good or bad, or just to go again on loan somewhere. He can try to squeeze a higher salary too, but I don't believe that Marotta will bend there.

 

[wera]

Lautaro, Thuram, Balogun, Correa. We gonna win scudetto with this. If Correa leaves(slim chance) and Scamacca comes instead we gonna brutalize whole league. But idiots will go for Moratta instead Balogun. Unbelievable.

Based on what?

It's a nice list of players, but how consistent will they be? Will Thuram and Balogun be able to beat tricky defenders of Serie A? Will they be able to not succumb to the pressure of expectations and playing for a big club? I like Balogun, but he ain't Messi, he ain't Firmino, he ain't prime Sanchez. Thuram, let's hope his injuries don't come back. Is Lautaro finally at a level where he doesn't need Džeko/Lukaku next to him, but he IS the Džeko/Lukaku of the team?

It's good to be excited, but we shouldn't be delusional. Who in our squad will be our main creative outlet? Hakan? Barella? Dimarco?

 

[bubba zanetti]

Based on what?

It's a nice list of players, but how consistent will they be? Will Thuram and Balogun be able to beat tricky defenders of Serie A? Will they be able to not succumb to the pressure of expectations and playing for a big club? I like Balogun, but he ain't Messi, he ain't Firmino, he ain't prime Sanchez. Thuram, let's hope his injuries don't come back. Is Lautaro finally at a level where he doesn't need Džeko/Lukaku next to him, but he IS the Džeko/Lukaku of the team?

It's good to be excited, but we shouldn't be delusional. Who in our squad will be our main creative outlet? Hakan? Barella? Dimarco?

So its better to bring Moratta instead? Lol

 

[Reco1986]

Why not take advantage of the situation? If there is no interest in Lukaku and he doesnt want to go to SA... why not offer another cheap loan with OPTION to buy and a low salaris for Lukaku. If we are the only option for the mercenary we might get a good deal.

We can wait, we have time. Lukaku as a Correa replacement as 4th striker wouldnt be too bad

I bet Chelsea are pulling their hair out too.. They almost got rid of him and now they are stuck with him again