Beppe Marotta

[InterFCAustin]

You guys are obviously unable to grasp the gist of the argument. What makes you think I'm defending Icardi? I would consider this mercato a failure if we don't sell Icardi. How about the crazy idea that criticizing the management is not equal to taking Icardi's side?

Should I explain this differently so that you lot can compute this complex information?
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Maybe a bigger font will help?

Idk, maybe just next time, keep the balls in your throat.
Or you like bigger balls?

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Going public about it makes sense only if we have received offers for both of them and we're trying to force the players to accept the offers. Else, it's a stupid thing to do.

Or maybe he’s just putting them in their spot right off the bat before the season starts, and send them a signal, that shit y’all been pulling off here lately, won’t fly anymore. It could be either.

 

[pazza moratti]

This is all fine. That is not fine to publicly throw Icardi and Nainggolan under the bus, because it completely destroys their market value as players.

And keeping them destroys team harmony and probably next season and a season after that... yes their value drops but if it is the cost to get them to accept to leave, so be it!

 

[Shark]

Idk, maybe just next time, keep the balls in your throat.
Or you like bigger balls?

Strong comeback :thumbsup:

 

[InterFCAustin]

Strong comeback :thumbsup:

Yeah yours was also very refined and well thought. :rollani:
Especially the Zanetti comment that Marotta gonna call him a scumbag, and we’d like it.
Did you think that yourself? Impressive imagination

 

[CafeCordoba]

And keeping them destroys team harmony and probably next season and a season after that... yes their value drops but if it is the cost to get them to accept to leave, so be it!

What? So it can't be said to them privately that they are out of the project?

 

[YoramG]

I agree with Il Drago. We likely have offers for both Icardi (Napoli) and Nainggolan (China) and this is a way to push them to accept.

I also think Icardi has been as devalued as much as he can be so it doesn’t really matter what else is said.

 

[Shark]

Yeah yours was also very refined and well thought. :rollani:
Especially the Zanetti comment that Marotta gonna call him a scumbag, and we’d like it.
Did you think that yourself? Impressive imagination

That was an exaggeration. I thought picking Zanetti would make it obvious.

But seriously, you can't go around calling everyone Icardi fans who disagree with you. Especially when it absolutely not true. It's just a very weak way of arguing.

 

[pazza moratti]

What? So it can't be said to them privately that they are out of the project?

YoramG -> comment below

 

[InterFCAustin]

That was an exaggeration. I thought picking Zanetti would make it obvious.

But seriously, you can't go around calling everyone Icardi fans who disagree with you. Especially when it absolutely not true. It's just a very weak way of arguing.

Not at all. Icardi fans not Icardi fans, we’re all inter fans.
But also going around saying Marotta “fans”have his balls in their throats is also not a very intelligent argument nor ethical.
Thats all. No disrespect.

 

[forzainter257]

You guys are obviously unable to grasp the gist of the argument. What makes you think I'm defending Icardi? I would consider this mercato a failure if we don't sell Icardi. How about the crazy idea that criticizing the management is not equal to taking Icardi's side?
Should I explain this differently so that you lot can compute this complex information?
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Maybe a bigger font will help?

You said Marotta would call Zanetti a scumbag and we would approve it. Neither Marotta did anything to make anyone assume he would say something negative about JZ4 nor any of us sided with Marotta when he did some crazy shit (apart from his strict measures against MI9, N9 which some of you consider a stupidity). You went from one extreme to another on your post and it naturally raised questions.

 

[pazza moratti]

That was an exaggeration. I thought picking Zanetti would make it obvious.

But seriously, you can't go around calling everyone Icardi fans who disagree with you. Especially when it absolutely not true. It's just a very weak way of arguing.

Yeah I admid I jumped conclusions that you are Icardi fanboy... just like you jump conclusion that me and others have Marottas balls in our throuhts and are behind every desicision he makes! It easy to confuse things when there are clearly two camps -> one backing Marotta at this pesific sitsuation and one who are behind Icardi! I think you did same mistake that we did to miss judge?

 

[IRR26]

The best way to do this IMO would be first integrate Icardi and Nainggolan into the squad and sell them once a good offer comes.

Maybe that is impossible but cutting them off straight away don't seem so intelligent.

 

[yoszee]

Yo, italian bros of FIF, please translate this.

This one has high up vote in Inter FB group.


"Vedo che la maggior parte qui non sa come si calcolino i pesi annuali a bilancio di ogni singolo giocatore. Sento dire: "Vergogna!!! Vendendo Icardi e Nainggolan possiamo a mala pena permetterci Lukaku. Bravo Marotta!! Li hai svalutati!!". Non è così che si calcola. A bilancio non vanno inseriti i cartellini dei giocatori, bensì l'ammortamento (cartellino diviso anni di contratto) + l'ingaggio lordo = peso annuale a bilancio del calciatore. Faccio un esempio con Nainggolan: il suo peso annuale a bilancio è di circa 18 M (9.5 di ammortamento e 7.5 di lordo). Liberandoci di Nainggolan l'Inter si creerebbe uno spazio bello grande per un "top". Ad esempio Van de Beek: mettiamo caso che costi 60 M e gli venga fatto un contratto da 4 M netti (col decreto crescita diventano circa 6 lordi), il suo peso annuale sarebbe: 12 M (60÷5 anni di contratto) + 6 di lordo = 18 M...guarda caso il peso di Nainggolan. Così si calcolano i costi, puttana miseria"

 

[InterFCAustin]

Yo, italian bros of FIF, please translate this.

This one has high up vote in Inter FB group.


"Vedo che la maggior parte qui non sa come si calcolino i pesi annuali a bilancio di ogni singolo giocatore. Sento dire: "Vergogna!!! Vendendo Icardi e Nainggolan possiamo a mala pena permetterci Lukaku. Bravo Marotta!! Li hai svalutati!!". Non è così che si calcola. A bilancio non vanno inseriti i cartellini dei giocatori, bensì l'ammortamento (cartellino diviso anni di contratto) + l'ingaggio lordo = peso annuale a bilancio del calciatore. Faccio un esempio con Nainggolan: il suo peso annuale a bilancio è di circa 18 M (9.5 di ammortamento e 7.5 di lordo). Liberandoci di Nainggolan l'Inter si creerebbe uno spazio bello grande per un "top". Ad esempio Van de Beek: mettiamo caso che costi 60 M e gli venga fatto un contratto da 4 M netti (col decreto crescita diventano circa 6 lordi), il suo peso annuale sarebbe: 12 M (60÷5 anni di contratto) + 6 di lordo = 18 M...guarda caso il peso di Nainggolan. Così si calcolano i costi, puttana miseria"

He’s explaining how cost and balance works. And saying that people got it wrong.
Boring stuff

 

[forzainter257]

if you use google translate it says this, pretty understandable:

I see that most here do not know how each individual player's annual budget weights are calculated. I hear you say: "Shame !!! Selling Icardi and Nainggolan we can barely afford Lukaku. Bravo Marotta !! You've devalued them !!" This is not how it is calculated. The balance sheets do not include the players' cards, but the amortization (card divided by years of contract) + the gross salary = annual weight in the player's budget. I give an example with Nainggolan: its annual balance sheet weight is around 18 M (9.5 amortization and 7.5 gross). Getting rid of Inter Nainggolan would create a nice big space for a "top". For example, Van de Beek: let's say that it costs 60 M and a 4 M net contract is made (with the growth decree becoming roughly 6 gross), its annual weight would be: 12 M (60 ÷ 5 years contract) + 6 di gross = 18 M ... by chance the weight of Nainggolan. This is how the costs are calculated, bitches misery "

 

[Devious]

Yeap... this is FC Internazionale, not FC Icardi or FC Nainngolain!

Its about time someone take charge and give it as it lays!

Inter is a professional TEAM this day forward and its very clear what kind of attitude, professionalism, behaviour is expected if you play in black and blue shirt and have Inter logo on your hart! And if you dont honor Inter... it doesn’t matter if your name is fucking Messi or Maradona you will not be on Inter player next season, no matter if value of a player drops... YOU ARE OUT! This is the most powerfull message to any team at any sport what I have ever witnessed in my short and meaningless life!

I agree 100% BUT the point here is should we really always have to make a scene? A lot of big names has started troubles in their teams but we've barely heard about the details and the players ended up being sold for fair market prices just like any other player who didn't started problems for their teams. whatever happened to the concept of protecting your investments?

What's with being emotional and personal? Professionals who get paid to do their job and absolutely not to negatively affect the company's assets make sure to fix problems with the least possible losses, they're not getting paid to act emotional and naive like the fans and risk losing hundreds of millions for making problems personal on the account of the company's assets.

In this context I give Marotra based on the way he handled both Icardi and Nainggolan's cases since the beginning a score of 2/10. If he was any good he'd have handled this situation better not to cause us to lose 100m potential gains. When he goes on air declaring to the public that two of our most important assets are now our garbage and for the taking, what a fucken clueless idiot, what the fuck is he doing? He acts like we have a billion dollars to spend in the market, this is incredibly unbelievable!!

 

[forzainter257]

In this context I give Marotra based on the way he handled both Icardi and Nainggolan's cases since the beginning a score of 2/10. If he was any good he'd have handled this situation better not to cause us to lose 100m potential gains. When he goes on air declaring to the public that two of our most important assets are now our garbage and for the taking, what a fucken clueless idiot, what the fuck is he doing? He acts like we have a billion dollars to spend in the market, this is incredibly unbelievable!!

How people can be sure that Icardi's value was 100 mln+? Everyone knew how cancer he is, therefore no one was willing to buy him. He is not needed in his national team either. Only rube and napoli were showing some interest, probably to cause some pressure on us.

You blame Marotta as if Mauro was angelic before he came. Or was it Marotta who wrote his book? Maybe Marotta stole Maxi's wife for him?
Icardi once said if I score 200 goals I will give up playing, I won't be taking it too long like Javier Zanetti. Maybe Marotta suggested him to say this price devaluing words?

 

[YoramG]

YoramG -> comment below

You mean comment on why it couldn't have been done privately? To be honest, I don't know. It could be that Icardi+Nainggolan would hear that coming from Ausilio and Marotta face to face and go "yeah yeah, whatever", but saying it to the press could show that they truly mean it. It's also likely that they haven't even seen the players yet, as they're all still on holiday I think.

Regardless, I think we all knew we were in for a roller-coaster summer this year, let's try to enjoy it

 

[pazza moratti]

I was answerin to Cafe to why cant we tell Icardi and Radja privately that they are not needed. And I was thinking same as you that we likely have offers for both Icardi (Napoli) and Nainggolan (China) and going public is a way to push them to accept.

 

[ElDiego22]

Marotta being a boss :fuckyea: No more bullshit from players