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Honestly the biggest plus of Eriksen is that he frees up Brozo it was easy to lock down Inter when other teams used to just man mark Brozo. Eriksen may not be spectacular (because he has to sacrifice and run more) but he's fundamental to our play, making us better as a result.
 

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He just can’t do anything ever to justify the wages we are paying him. 2nd weakest starter. If Sensi stops playing fortnite for 2 weeks and doesn’t get injured. You know this 10 million wage player is going back to eating bench for 6 months.

Like he isn’t awful but not worth what he is getting and is a luxury we just can’t handle in this financial environment
 

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Spurs fans said he'd been in decline for 18 months before he left for us.

Im not sure were this nonsense has originated. Probably from spurs fans who were angered because he wanted to leave? Its obviously false though.

In 18/19 he had 10 goals and 17 assists total, how is that a bad season? Show me an inter midfielder in like 50 years who can match those stats?

In the CL he had crucial goals against Inter and crucial assists against City.

In the EPL he had assists against United, Liverpool (2), Chelsea (2), Leicester (goal as well), Arsenal etc etc. So its not like he failed in the big games. Im not sure how he had been poor in 18 months before joining Inter, what an utterly ignorant comment.

Its pretty hilarious how some of the haters here, accuse him of not being decisive at Inter and then bring up a supposedly terrible season in 18/19 as some kinda evidence that they are right, when he was pretty decisive in 18/19.

Mourinho didnt play him much, because he was dead set in leaving. Everyone knew it and Mourinho wont start anyone who isnt there for long the term, whats the point. Mourinho even said that himself. Why play a player who wants to leave.

Eriksen is not performing like he did for spurs and ajax because of how Conte wants him to play. Conte wants Robots, who does exactly like he wants them to do and nothing else, much like Cassano has said. Conte is a control freak and Eriksen has adapted to exactly that. You can argue its a waste of his ability, but Conte is happy with him, the italian media praises him. Yet certain fan dont understand this and expects something to happen that Eriksen is not instructed to do.
 

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Lol the myth of Eriksen's decline perpetuates.

The only "decline" occurred in the last 3-4 months there because he told them he wants out no matter what and they just benched him and used him whenever they were in dire need.

Tottenham fans were pissed for seeing him want out and later or for not replacing him properly.
 

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Im not sure were this nonsense has originated. Probably from spurs fans who were angered because he wanted to leave? Its obviously false though.

In 18/19 he had 10 goals and 17 assists total, how is that a bad season? Show me an inter midfielder in like 50 years who can match those stats?

In the CL he had crucial goals against Inter and crucial assists against City.

In the EPL he had assists against United, Liverpool (2), Chelsea (2), Leicester (goal as well), Arsenal etc etc. So its not like he failed in the big games. Im not sure how he had been poor in 18 months before joining Inter, what an utterly ignorant comment.

Its pretty hilarious how some of the haters here, accuse him of not being decisive at Inter and then bring up a supposedly terrible season in 18/19 as some kinda evidence that they are right, when he was pretty decisive in 18/19.

Mourinho didnt play him much, because he was dead set in leaving. Everyone knew it and Mourinho wont start anyone who isnt there for long the term, whats the point. Mourinho even said that himself. Why play a player who wants to leave.

Eriksen is not performing like he did for spurs and ajax because of how Conte wants him to play. Conte wants Robots, who does exactly like he wants them to do and nothing else, much like Cassano has said. Conte is a control freak and Eriksen has adapted to exactly that. You can argue its a waste of his ability, but Conte is happy with him, the italian media praises him. Yet certain fan dont understand this and expects something to happen that Eriksen is not instructed to do.

Well yes, it was from spurs fans. I don't watch spurs at all really so I'm taking their words for it.

The mourinho one is an excuse. Sure there were rumours vertonghen had slept with his wife which is why he was unhappy and playing poorly too. He came here and his level has been the same as it was when he played for us. In the spurs documentary on amazon spurs tried to keep him. If he was so vital they wouldn't have "punished" him by benching him whilst asking him to stay.

I linked a report from Denmark of the press there attacking his performances for the national team as well. Its clear he's in decline and its not ONLY conte's management of him.
 

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This debate is tiresome. At the end of the day, there is no one in this squad capable of playing in Eriksen's position at a higher level than him. A healthy Vidal offers some nice complementary skills, but can't be counted on to regularly start. Sensi had his magical run in 2019 and has since proven he is incapable of staying fit.

Are his wages higher than we would like? Yes. Does it matter? Not particularly, as he's not the reason our club is underwater financially.

Everyone here would like us to sign another midfielder this summer, but we have no money to spend and positions of higher priority.
 

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Im not sure were this nonsense has originated. Probably from spurs fans who were angered because he wanted to leave? Its obviously false though.

In 18/19 he had 10 goals and 17 assists total, how is that a bad season? Show me an inter midfielder in like 50 years who can match those stats?
Did you consistently watch Eriksen during the 18/19 season or are you just reading off his stats sheet? Because it's not nonsense. Remember that was a world cup year 2018, and season previous he played a ridiculous amount games and then that 2018/19 season he played another 50 or so games. When he was in form he was brilliant. And then he would suffer long periods of inconsistency. I don't remember the particular moment/game but 2018-19 was definitely the season when the decline set in. Even with those stats why do you think no else showed a serious interest in him?

Mourinho didnt play him much, because he was dead set in leaving.

Ozil, in his book, on Mourinho:

I’ve had enough now. ‘What do you actually want from me?’ I snap back at him.

‘I want you to play as well as you can,’ Mourinho yells. ‘I want you to go into tackles like a man. Do you know what it looks like when you tackle? No? Let me show you.’

Mourinho stands on tiptoes, thrusts his arms down by his sides, purses his lips and minces around the dressing room. ‘That’s how you tackle. Ooh, I mustn’t get hurt. And absolutely mustn’t get dirty,’ he shouts while repeating his Ozil tackle parody.


From this short and amusing exchange I think we can gauge what Mourinho thought of Eriksen and his play style.

Eriksen is not performing like he did for spurs and ajax because of how Conte wants him to play. Conte wants Robots, who does exactly like he wants them to do and nothing else.
Can you name a single midfielder in world football who has this free/trequartista role in midfield, particularly centrally? Last 5 years or so the game has transitioned from fantasy to physical and hard running, tackling etc. Similarly Brandt of Dortmund (similarly soft as poo) has been benched indefinitely with rumors that he is to be transfer listed at end of the season. Even Fabregas, a world cup winner, had to conform to Conte style of play, and he did so with aplomb, so what's Eriksen's excuse?

Its pretty hilarious how some of the haters here
I'm not a hater, I'm just tired of Eriksen's laxity / lack of fight and FIFs indifference to it. I reckon reason for Conte's treatment was to get a reaction out of Eriksen. No one wants to be benched, so ideally Eriksen would double or even triple his efforts in training to win a first team place. But so far all he's done is enough to get ahead of Gags in the pecking order and do his part to beat bottom of the table Cagliari. To me that ain't enough. Remember Ballack yellow in the 2002 WC semi-final versus S Korea that led to him missing the final? Eriksen said he wanted to win trophies. Well that kind of effort and sacrifice is what it takes.

Are his wages higher than we would like? Yes. Does it matter? Not particularly

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It does matters because his wages make it hard for us to sell and replace him.

Anyway it's the principle. Just like how we're pissed at Nainggolan for taking our money and pissing off on holiday to Sardinia, I feel we should be pissed at Eriksen for not putting in 200% effort and improving his game (just like older and slower Fabregas did in a 2 man midfield).
 

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Eriksen has adapted, that's why he's starting, you talk like he hasn't contributed anything this season.
 

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Eriksen has adapted, that's why he's starting, you talk like he hasn't contributed anything this season.

Feels more like Conte caved than Eriksen adapting (Vidal and Gagliardini being off, Vecino and Sensi injured). Not saying Eriksen did not have to adjust his style, but it's not a 50-50 issue here. It was always on Conte and he flat out refused to integrate Eriksen in the team and this role.

Eriksen also had issues when he played with Young on the left side. But when he had Perisic it all looked smoother. And Inter hasn't lost a game since this duo was starting iirc.
 

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I started to write looong post about his last full season in Spurs, but then deleted it all and said fuck it. Can't do it again and again :D
 

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I started to write looong post about his last full season in Spurs, but then deleted it all and said fuck it. Can't do it again and again :D

Aren't those auto-saved sometimes?
 

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Feels more like Conte caved than Eriksen adapting (Vidal and Gagliardini being off, Vecino and Sensi injured). Not saying Eriksen did not have to adjust his style, but it's not a 50-50 issue here. It was always on Conte and he flat out refused to integrate Eriksen in the team and this role.

Eriksen also had issues when he played with Young on the left side. But when he had Perisic it all looked smoother. And Inter hasn't lost a game since this duo was starting iirc.

Yeah, it's not black and white I think both guys found a compromise and the fact that Eriksen finally learnt Italian helped him a lot.

Don't think Gaglia was ever out for long this year so Conte could've still doubled down on him.
 

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Did you consistently watch Eriksen during the 18/19 season or are you just reading off his stats sheet? Because it's not nonsense. Remember that was a world cup year 2018, and season previous he played a ridiculous amount games and then that 2018/19 season he played another 50 or so games. When he was in form he was brilliant. And then he would suffer long periods of inconsistency. I don't remember the particular moment/game but 2018-19 was definitely the season when the decline set in. Even with those stats why do you think no else showed a serious interest in him?

You dont make 10 goals and 17 assists in 4200 minutes combined in the best league in the world and the best cup tournament in the world, while at the same time also declining to some kinda Guarin-esque comicbook character, lets not be silly here. To add to the absurdness of your statement, is that he actually had his weakest period in the first 2-3 months of the 18/19 season and got alot more decisive from mid-october and onwards.

And again, YOU are the one who who time and time again in this very thread have highlighted how eriksen have failed to be decisive for Inter, while a the same time using his 18/19 season for Spurs as some kinda evidence to support your claim that he is a has-been and cant be decisive anymore, yet statistics shows that was quite decisive in many games in 18/19. Its completely illogical.

As far as being interested at the time, im sure plenty of clubs were waiting until end of season to offer him a contract. Inter paying 20 (almost 30m with agent fee's and what not) was quite absurd tbh for a player who had 6 months left.


Ozil, in his book, on Mourinho:

I’ve had enough now. ‘What do you actually want from me?’ I snap back at him.

‘I want you to play as well as you can,’ Mourinho yells. ‘I want you to go into tackles like a man. Do you know what it looks like when you tackle? No? Let me show you.’

Mourinho stands on tiptoes, thrusts his arms down by his sides, purses his lips and minces around the dressing room. ‘That’s how you tackle. Ooh, I mustn’t get hurt. And absolutely mustn’t get dirty,’ he shouts while repeating his Ozil tackle parody.


From this short and amusing exchange I think we can gauge what Mourinho thought of Eriksen and his play style.

Wait a minute, Özil? I thought this was about Eriksen. Pretty sure much of the criticism about Özil was due to his attitude, unprofessionalism and lack of workrate. Marotta and Cunte have specifically mentioned Eriksen being a great professional and working hard in training despite not playing and that the attitude of the player was never in doubt. So again here you are way off in your comparison.

As far as Mourinho goes, its common knowledge that Eriksen wanted to leave spurs before Mourinho even joined and nobody has any interest in playing a player who wants to leave and has little motivation, the link below outlines it pretty well Mourinhos thoughts.

https://talksport.com/football/664079/christian-eriksen-jose-mourinho-tottenham/

And here what Eriksen thought and what happened.

https://www.football.london/tottenham-hotspur-fc/christian-eriksen-reveals-what-jose-17692516

*On how Mourinho handled the situation, Eriksen added: "When the window is not open, there can only be talk. There cannot be anything concrete. I think Mourinho did well. He could have said 'he wants to leave, so he is not going to play any more'. He didn't do that.

"After I told him where my feelings were and what I would like to do, he told me just to be happy and if I was needed I would play. I was needed in a few games where I did make a difference. It was more as an extra rather than in the starting XI of course."*

Says alot.

Can you name a single midfielder in world football who has this free/trequartista role in midfield, particularly centrally? Last 5 years or so the game has transitioned from fantasy to physical and hard running, tackling etc. Similarly Brandt of Dortmund (similarly soft as poo) has been benched indefinitely with rumors that he is to be transfer listed at end of the season. Even Fabregas, a world cup winner, had to conform to Conte style of play, and he did so with aplomb, so what's Eriksen's excuse?

Haha so you are basically saying Conte-ball is the top of the world now, thats pretty rich considering how incredibly bad Conte has been in europe and what a catastrophe his tactical approach in europe has turned out to be. You are basically saying technique is irrelevant in todays football, which is absolutely absurd, like the Madrid, Barca, Bayern, Liverpool front 3 etc etc that won the CL werent highly technical.

I not sure how this trequartista thing is relevant either, Eriksen has played AMC alot, which does not equal a trequartista by any means. But he has also played almost as much as LM and RM. The position itself is irrelevant, whats relevant is the level of freedom and the tactical approach of the team in general.

Im not sure how you cannot understand that there is a huge difference in playing LM in Poch's 433 where there is a rather big level of freedom to playing LM in Contes 352, where there is NO freedom at all and Conte expects everyone behave like his personal remotecontrolled robots, he is pretty much the most rigid coach in the world tactcally, which makes him a total misfit for creative players who are used to freedom and thinking for themselves.

Expecting the same outcome for the player in both systems is simply ignorant.

I'm not a hater, I'm just tired of Eriksen's laxity / lack of fight and FIFs indifference to it. I reckon reason for Conte's treatment was to get a reaction out of Eriksen. No one wants to be benched, so ideally Eriksen would double or even triple his efforts in training to win a first team place. But so far all he's done is enough to get ahead of Gags in the pecking order and do his part to beat bottom of the table Cagliari. To me that ain't enough. Remember Ballack yellow in the 2002 WC semi-final versus S Korea that led to him missing the final? Eriksen said he wanted to win trophies. Well that kind of effort and sacrifice is what it takes.

Again, you are expecting the performance from the player of when he played in a completely different system, with more freedom and different responsibilities. Its illogical. Either way, Conte seems happy with him and the italian media praises him, so you are fairly alone here. He could be utilized better no doubt, but probably not in Contes system. But even if he could be sold him for 30m~ i doubt Inter could get a better replacement for that money, so unless money starts raining from the skies it wouldnt serve much purpose to sell him considering the financial trouble the club has. Its a fair bet that he will only get better next season.
 

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Again, you are expecting the performance from the player of when he played in a completely different system, with more freedom and different responsibilities. Its illogical.
Gave props for the detailed response and effort, but for the record, I disagree with almost everything in your post. In any case lets not make this an "us versus them" thing, we both want Eriksen to succeed at Inter and win us trophies. I just want Eriksen to show more fight and aggression. That's what I was alluding to with the Mou quote, because like Ozil, Eriksen will not go in with a convincing tackle to recover the ball/possession, whatever the circumstance (if you disagree I'd love to see proof of that). To use a war analogy, would you want Eriksen next you in the trenches in the heat of battle?
 

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I just want Eriksen to show more fight and aggression. That's what I was alluding to with the Mou quote, because like Ozil, Eriksen will not go in with a convincing tackle to recover the ball/possession, whatever the circumstance (if you disagree I'd love to see proof of that). To use a war analogy, would you want Eriksen next you in the trenches in the heat of battle?

rfU I'll gladly repeat myself again, you can as a player be of much value to your team EVEN if you don't tackle "the shit out" of opposing players or show much emotions.

Below is a list of players who either is or has done quite well in their football career without tackling "the shit out" of opposing players:

Player / number of games / red / yellow
Michael Laudrup 550 0 24
Ryan Giggs 930 0 48
Phillip Lahm 642 0 49
Iniesta 745 0 64
Michel Platini 259 0 4
Christian Eriksen 512 0 27
Karim Benzema 672 0 13

To stick with the war analogy, I would much rather prefer a cold-blooded sniper next to me in the trenches, rather than a gritty cannon-fodder soldier.
 
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Sell him to get SMS.

Didnt Lotito want 100M for him? also he never likes selling to Serie A teams and Rivals.

in a midfield 3 u have the 3 starters along with Sensi and Vidal who can be rotated in, i think that makes the midfield set to be honest, not to mention if Eriksen does end up staying maybe he improves even more in the summer as he get used to Inter and Serie A more. The only issue is that both these players are always injured so depends what happens in the summer with both.
 

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Below is a list of players who either is or has done quite well in their football career without tackling "the shit out" of opposing players:

Player / number of games / red / yellow
Michael Laudrup 550 0 24
Ryan Giggs 930 0 48
Phillip Lahm 642 0 49
Iniesta 745 0 64
Michel Platini 259 0 4
Christian Eriksen 512 0 27
Karim Benzema 672 0 13
Why are you bringing up players from decades ago when you know today's game has changed exponentially? Last 5 years midfielders are more physical and workmanlike, dynamic etc. Stop bullshitting, you know this.

And why bring up lahm, one of the goat tacklers:

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To stick with the war analogy, I would much rather prefer a cold-blooded sniper next to me in the trenches, rather than a gritty cannon-fodder soldier.
Sniper's are a safe distance away from the fight/battle, not next to you, so you're analogy doesn't work.
 
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