Defenders for the summer market

[Ziyad]

Kaka must mean some form of shit in almost every language but Porteguese...

 

[Hammoudi]

Kaka must mean some form of shit in almost every language but Porteguese...

True, it's almost universal, specially with kids.

I wish someone could tell us what it means in Portuguese.

 

[Javier Zanetti]

I think it's a nickname for Ricardo , but anyway that's very offtopic.

 

[Mikkel]

Kaka must mean some form of shit in almost every language but Porteguese...

True, it's almost universal, specially with kids.

I wish someone could tell us what it means in Portuguese.

it's good that you said almoste, cause in Denmark it dosen't mean anything. It's nothing els but a name.

 

[Wittmann]

Yeah..just make fun of Ricardo..

Ricardo Izecson dos Santos Leite - Kaka..

he will be balon d'or in a few years ttime.. :star:

 

[Hammoudi]

he will be balon d'or in a few years ttime.. :star:

I know what will happen if few years time:

He will be walking saying "Just call me Ricardo!" :cry2:

 

[scutzon]

'Izecson' sounds cool! Kaka should be called 'Izecson' instead!

 

[catanha]

Defenders in the summer transfer market?
You can rule out Andrade, due to his and Deportivo's recent run of form, they've been brillant with Andrade and Collocini in the centre of defence.

Luisao? Hmm...there's a bloke he plays next to at Benfica who's a little better with the name of Ricardo Rocha, and it seems as if he's on the way out, most likely to Chelsea, I'd keep a tap on things.
But Luisao is done, and a good job in getting him too.
A must for Inter is Cristian Chivu, who was in heaven last season but ever since Sheva ran riot on him, he hasn't recovered- injury wise especially, he is a awesome player, Inter learnt their lesson in not signing him start of last season, when a deal was almost done- learn from your errors...don't let him get away.

If Chivu comes, I'd give Potenza another season on-loan and call him back afterwards when Favalli's contract runs out.

Right backs- Zanetti and Ze Maria.
Left backs- Chivu, Favalli and Coco.
Centre halfs- Cordoba, Luisao, Materazzi, Burdisso and Chivu.

One can dream, but that ^ can realistically happen.

 

[Hammoudi]

This is the best thing that goal.com has ever come up with, I really love this article and it really taught me alot.


Deciphering Brazilian Footballers’ Names: Know Your Ronaldinhos From Your Ronaldãos
3/12/2005 1:22:00 AM
Aaron Marcus rips up the famous names in Brazilian football for Goal.com readers to see the hidden meanings behind players’ names. Find out why Little Richard is currently helping Little Robin to top-scorer status in the Paulista. See that a certain low-rise lisping Carioca star has Rosa and Mario for parents. Will Bob Charles be leaving Madrid? Who does Big Phil coach? When will Little Junior From São Paulo adapt to Celtic? All this – and more.
Those who remember ‘Pulp Fiction’ may recall Bruce Willis’ boxer telling his Colombian cab driver “I’m American. Our names don’t mean shit, honey”. Here in Brazil it’s exactly the opposite; names strain under the weight of meaning. This little guide will give you all the tools to decipher the majority of repetitive names in Brazilian football.

To pseudo-intellectualise things I’ve pigeonholed the common names into the following categories;

1. Prefixes & Suffixes

 Prefixes
 Suffixes
 Size suffixes
 Other suffixes

2. Regions

3. Nicknames & Abbreviations

4. Assorted Curiosities

 Anglo-Saxonisms
 The Lord & Epics
 V or W?
 Creative Spelling
 Fauna
 Foodstuffs

5. A league of their own


1. Prefixes & Suffixes

These allow for a taste-free bolt-on of maternal and paternal first names, resulting in names of mirror-shattering ugliness.

Prefixes

 Ev- Evanilson, Evandro, Evair (Mother’s name = Eva)

 Ed- Edmilson, Edmar, (Mother’s name = Edna)

 Od- Odair, Odvan (Mother’s name = Odette)

 Ro- Romario, Rosinei (Mother’s name = Rosa)

 El- Elber, Elder, Elano (Mother’s name = Elba)


Suffixes

Size suffixes

It really does matter. With a two letter suffix plain old Ronaldo can swell up to Ronaldão (Big Ron) – as Madrid fans have seen – or with four letters can shrink to Ronaldinho (Little Ron)

 -ão Felipão (Big Phil), Betão (Big Bob – ‘Beto’ being short for Roberto), Luis(z)ão (Big Lou).

 -inho Ricardinho (Little Richard – no kidding), Marcinho (Little Marcio), Marcelinho (Little Marcel), Juninho (Little Junior – about as diminutive as it gets) and Agostinho (Little August)

Other suffixes

 -son Adoption of the Anglo-Saxon-Scandinavian form; largely reflecting the British who first brought the game to Brazil. Vary from the traditional Anderson, Jef(f)erson and Robson to the more Brazilian Jobson, Athirson, Gerson, Liedson and Jadson - including the frankly eye-watering Nadson.

 -(v)aldo Rivaldo, Nivaldo, Vivaldo, Everaldo, Edivaldo Clodoaldo, Reinaldo (Father’s name = Valdo / Waldo)

 - mar Gilmar, Nilmar, Lucimar (Lucio – Bayern Munich), Jucilmar, Josimar, Itamar, Kalmar (Mother’s name = Maria)

 -ton Another Anglicism that ranges from the conventional Wellington, Washington and Clay(i)ton to the ludicrous Jefton, Adailton, Welton, Antonieliton (Marítimo, Portugal), Elivélton (Bahia, Brazil)

 -ey The same as above; Wesley and Sidney from the old school and Warley, Ederley and Jomarley from the special needs school.

 -ei The phonetical spelling gives that milk-curdling finish to Wanderlei, Derlei, Ueslei, Rosinei and Valnei with the pointlessly unpronounceable Danrlei worthy of special mention.

 -andro Evandro and Leandro show the father was Sandro.

 -val Dorival and Sinval use –val instead of –valdo (see above)

 -air Aldair, Odair (Father’s name = Jair)

 -gol A gem of pure tackiness, this self-appointed moniker shows you’re a Really Good Striker, Thiagol and Robgol wandering shamelessly into cheeseball territory.


2. Regions

Given the vast territorial spread, the popularity of certain names and regional pride it’s common practice to differentiate players by adding their state of origin to their first name.

 Carioca The player is from Rio de Janeiro e.g. Marcelinho Carioca (Brasiliense, Brazil)

 Paulista The player is from São Paulo e.g. Juninho Paulista (Celtic, Scotland)

 Mineiro The player is from Minas Gerais e.g. Mineiro (São Paulo, Brazil)

 Gaúcho The player is from Rio Grande do Sul e.g. Ronaldinho Gaúcho (FCBarcelona, Spain)

 Pernambucano The player is from Pernambuco e.g. Juninho Pernambucano (O. Lyon, France)

 Cearense The player is from Ceara e.g. Dudu Cearense (Rennes, France)


3. Nicknames & Abbreviations

These often find their way onto the back of shirts, mercifully replacing lumbering full birth names

 Kaká / Cacá Short for Carlos or Caio. Don’t sniggeringly think this is scatological; there’s no link to faeces at all, but; Tip for the top; if you visit Brazil you can make this slip when ordering a thirst-quenching coconut water. This is a Coco (emphasis on the first syllable), whilst putting the stress on the end literally turns it to shit; Cocô. Important for those who prefer their water unrusty.

 Deco Short for Andre.

 T(h)iago Short for Santiago, which in turn is St. James in English. (The Spanish use ‘Santi’ e.g. Santi Cañizares, Valencia’s very own bottle blond)

 Zé Short for Jose e.g. Zé Maria (Inter, Italy), Zé Roberto (Bayern, Germ.)  Mané Short for Manoel

 Zé Mané Combines the two innocuous names above to come up with a synonym for ‘jerk’. As would be expected, very few Jose Manoels use the full abbreviated form in Brazil.

 Dudu, Didi, Dada, Dede, Dodo Dudu = Eduardo, Dede = Andre (like Deco), Dada (Daniel), Didi (Dirceu), Dodo (Doriva, Dorival)

 Guga Short for Gustavo

 Juca Short for João Carlos or Joaquim

 Nenê Means ‘baby’ or ‘babe’.


4. Assorted Curiosities

Anglo-Saxonisms

Apart from the British railway workers that brought the game over (formalised by a certain Charles Miller), many Americans fled the civil war to establish themselves in rural São Paulo. Although the Yanks lacked the enthusiasm for soccer shown by the Limeys, they did provide names; strangely ‘W’ based:

 Washington, Wellington, Walker, Williams, Wilson

The golden age of Liverpool’s arch-rival resulted in the common use of:

 Ev(w)erton e.g. Ewerton, Borrussia Dortmund, Ger.)

Thankfully this doesn’t extend to other teams or we’d be dealing with Dunfermline da Silva, Portsmouth Oliveira or even Queens Park Rangers Nazario and Preston North End Ferreira. Phew.

The Lord & Epics

With the kneeling circle of clasped hands after the 2002 World Cup victory the outside world was given a glimpse of Brazil’s devotion or obsession – depending on your point of view. Milan games frequently see Kaká with an ‘I belong to Jesus’ t-shirt, a practice also in vogue with other religious players. Some already show their beliefs in their names:

 Moises, Gabriel, Gideon, Jesus, Santos (The latter could also be a homage to Pelé, the living God as easily as to the Saints)

The secular side exhibits clear Greco-Romano influences:

 Hermes, Socrates, Adonis, Julio Cesar, Marco Aurelio, Cicero, Laerte


V or W?

The German pronunciation is something reflected in the spelling, the ‘W’ being replaced by ‘V’s.

 Valter, Vagner, Vanderley


Creative Spelling

To add more variety to William (first name), there are wild fluctuations in the use of a single or double ‘L’, ‘N’ or ‘M’ dallying, final ‘S’ confusion as well as the V or W debate:

 William, Williams, Wiliam, Wiliams, Villiam, Villiams, Willian, Willians

Dennis suffers fewer mutations:

 Denis, Dennis, Dennys, Denys


Fauna

Metaphors usually side with more aggressive creatures, although the ‘almost-Pelé’ Mané Garrincha showed greater sensitivity:

 Falcão (hawk) and the self-explanatory Pitbull e.g. Claudio Pitbull (PSG, France), Garrincha (songbird)


Foodstuffs

Brazilians show their culinary respect by adopting various ingredients as nicknames:

 Feijao (Beans), Dill (Dill weed), Batata (Spud – very ‘Trainspotting’)


5. A league of their own

A select few names dodge classification:

 Tostão (Red Cent), Roberto Dinamite (Bob Dynamite) and Careca (Baldy) are randomly odd, while Escurinho (Little Dark One), Meia Noite (Midnight) and Petróleo (Gasoline) are all bordering on racism but slightly balanced by Branco (Honky).

You should now be able to understand those weird names that most Brazilian footballers have and even invent credible names for non-existent players. If you wish to take it a stage further and pronounce real players’ names to the jealous astonishment of your friends, here’s a couple of hints on Brazilian pronunciation.


A Couple Of Hints On Brazilian Pronunciation

 -ão Pronounced ‘Ow!’, e.g. Sow Pow Low = São Paulo. The more nasal the better. Try it with a heavy cold, sinusitis or deviated septum.

 R / rr Pronounced like an ‘H’ at the start of the word, so the correct sound should be; Homario, Honaldo, Honaldjinho, Hivaldo. The double ‘R’ in the middle of a word receives the same treatment; Brazil’s coach is Pah – hair-ah (Parreira)

Good luck with your translating and domestic commentary, or simply have a laugh at some of the names and T.V. commentators appalling mistakes. Oh, and don’t forget that coconut pronunciation.

 

[scutzon]

I read that article too. It's quite informative. I didn't know some player's name was based on where they were born. Cool stuff. :thumbsup:

 

[Frisko]

Thanks Hamed, that was very interesting!

Gosh you can tell how much they value family in Brasil, that's just wonderful :star:

 

[InterMilan31]

Kompany, Bonera, Bovo, Perea, or Dede are the ones I want.

Would love to see Kompany here. Dede would be perfect on the left.

 

[snake]

lately ive been watching PSV play. and im watchin them right now, man Alex is a star!

 

[Vic]

lately ive been watching PSV play. and im watchin them right now, man Alex is a star!

He is a secrete weapon at the back. When refering to his freekicks and long balls.

 

[Ziyad]

My eyes will be on the Chivu who will be tested against Milan...This test will determine if he has the right stuff once again and my decision if we really NEED him here and should get him

 

[Frisko]

My eyes will be on the Chivu who will be tested against Milan...This test will determine if he has the right stuff once again and my decision if we really NEED him here and should get him

Yeah, I'll be doing the same.

 

[Ari]

Well I actually haven't seen Chivu too much. I want your opinion guys. Is he suitable to play with Cafe?

 

[Wittmann]

Well I actually haven't seen Chivu too much. I want your opinion guys. Is he suitable to play with Cafe?

I would like to have him in Milan after Maldini retires..

 

[Jony]

Well I actually haven't seen Chivu too much. I want your opinion guys. Is he suitable to play with Cafe?

I would like to have him in Milan after Maldini retires..

Then you have to wait for awhile as Maldini has extended his contract with Milan until 2007.

 

[Wittmann]

Yes..our legend..

If he continue playing like this, I don't mind seeing him in AC's jersey till he's 50..

What I wanted to say is he is an excellent defender who would bring good to every club that gets him..