English Premier League 2021/2022

[Il Drago]

Marcelo Bielsa was fired by Leeds. Jesse Marsh, former Salzburg and Leipzig coach, is expected to replace him. Perhaps EPL is a better place for him to succeed. His Bundesliga stint was a disaster.

 

[brehme1989]

Bielsa should go to a small Italian team and pull a Zeman.

 

[Il Drago]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1499021660321685511

https://twitter.com/x/status/1498962678290989056

 

[Ethor]

Moreover, Abramovich is purported to be selling his real estate in London according to the Guardian.

 

[Jusef]

So it appears Lukaku was his last big purchase.

CFC has to make it work now with Lukaku.

 

[Harpsabu]

Delighted. Back to nothingness

 

[brehme1989]

Delighted. Back to nothingness

They ruined football 20 years ago when they approved him to buy Chelsea.. it's not nothingness. It's now called the Premier League.

 

[Harpsabu]

They ruined football 20 years ago when they approved him to buy Chelsea.. it's not nothingness. It's now called the Premier League.

I mean nothingness for Chelsea. Whoever comes in owes Roman like 1.5b apparently in loan's.

 

[brehme1989]

I mean nothingness for Chelsea. Whoever comes in owes Roman like 1.5b apparently in loan's.

Nope. Whoever comes has to pay over 2bn which gives Abramovich at least 500m profit.

 

[Harpsabu]

Nope. Whoever comes has to pay over 2bn which gives Abramovich at least 500m profit.

Are you sure? I've seen reports that the club itself is valued around 2bn, and that doesn't include the loan?
Makes more sense if it does include the loan though tbf.

 

[brehme1989]

Are you sure? I've seen reports that the club itself is valued around 2bn, and that doesn't include the loan?
Makes more sense if it does include the loan though tbf.

It's irrelevant whether some valuation includes it or not.

No one is buying Chelsea with a 1.5bn debt to its previous owner.

So for the time being Chelsea is worth 0 pounds and has 1.5bn pounds in debt.
To break even, you need 1.5bn. Anything above that is...plusvalenza for Abramovich

 

[SiamoNoi]

But what I do find awkward for PL fans is that despite a long tradition and history, the number of derbies per month, let alone per matchday, is freaking limited.
There are times where we have Inter vs Milan and Roma vs Lazio on the same matchday, and then the next matchday will have Genoa vs Sampdoria and Juventus vs Torino. It's rare to find a matchday in Italy without a proper derby, with the correct sense and not the silly PR nonsense that "other" leagues took and every big game regarding the table is a "derby" (Greece does this a lot, Cyprus even more, there's like 3 teams but 25 games classified as derbies by the media).

Manchester City vs Chelsea is a big game, you can call it a Sugardaddy derby but it's really not a derby.

10 games in the league, not one derby, just one 'big' game.

Serie A has Atalanta vs Inter, which is a Lombardia derby and a relatively big game nowadays, which makes it a relatively weak matchday.

Next week we have Napoli vs Salernitana, huge historic affair for both sets of fans, we have Spezia vs Sampdoria, a Ligurian derby and Milan vs Juventus which isn't really a derby but it's considered a 'classico' in Italy. And of course it's a big game.
The following matchday there's just the Inter vs Milan, but damn...

PL next week has the biggest London derby (Chelsea vs Tottenham) and that's about it. Following matchday? Nothing. Matchday after? Still nothing. The next has Man City vs Spurs which is a relatively big game these days but not a derby (an equivalent of Inter vs Lazio from last week), whereas Italy even has a rivalry with the Verona vs Udinese game from the week after the Madonnina on top of a few big games (Napoli vs Inter and Atalanta vs Juventus), followed by a matchday that has Juventus vs Torino.

It's quite incredible how the PL lacks this, and there's like 6 clubs in London usually in the league so more cross-town games should be expected.


edit: Just realized that there was also Tottenham vs Arsenal but it's postponed, so I missed that. This was actually a highlight week for the PL, with two "big" games, one of them an actual derby.

This is probably because many of their "derby clubs" are in different division this days. Newcastle-Sunderland just one of many examples.

 

[brehme1989]

This is probably because many of their "derby clubs" are in different division this days. Newcastle-Sunderland just one of many examples.

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If you check this, you would see that most teams missing from their more historic ones wouldn't really add that much.

Newcastle v Sunderland actually is one of their hottest affairs, lots of hooliganism involved but it's always shushed. Like several London games.


Their derbies are just dull. And very limited. The only decent ones are between Manchester and Liverpool ones, plus the crosstown games and 1-2 London games (Chelsea vs Tottenham and West Ham vs Chelsea maybe)

 

[SiamoNoi]

Leeds-Manchester United is another derby.

 

[Bergpavian]

But who cares about Juventus vs. Torino? I don't care what happens in Turin, it's boring for everybody else - Torino won one derby in the last 25 years ... Samp vs. Genoa ... When was the last time this game mattered? Maybe in relegation battle. Napoli vs. Salernitana, Spezia vs. Sampdoria ... Who cares about this games today?

 

[brightbackground]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1499021660321685511

https://twitter.com/x/status/1498962678290989056

Maybe if China invades Taiwan then Suning will be forced to sell us quick.

 

[brehme1989]

But who cares about Juventus vs. Torino? I don't care what happens in Turin, it's boring for everybody else - Torino won one derby in the last 25 years ... Samp vs. Genoa ... When was the last time this game mattered? Maybe in relegation battle. Napoli vs. Salernitana, Spezia vs. Sampdoria ... Who cares about this games today?

the fans of those teams and fans of football in general.

 

[Bergpavian]

the fans of those teams and fans of football in general.

The fans of this teams for sure. But the fans of the club from my village also consider the game against the club from my neighbour village as biggest game of the year.

Fans of football in general? I doubt you find five people here who care about Spezia vs. Sampdoria. Or do you consider "fans of football in general" as people who also watch Norwich vs. Brentford just because they wanna see a game? (Well, at least this teams already played against each other before Sampdoria was even founded ...)

 

[brehme1989]

The fans of this teams for sure. But the fans of the club from my village also consider the game against the club from my neighbour village as biggest game of the year.

Fans of football in general? I doubt you find five people here who care about Spezia vs. Sampdoria. Or do you consider "fans of football in general" as people who also watch Norwich vs. Brentford just because they wanna see a game? (Well, at least this teams already played against each other before Sampdoria was even founded ...)

I mean fans of football, like the fans who appreciate and like football as a sport. Not talking about football television consumers. Those want whatever is marketed at them.

 

[Bergpavian]

I mean fans of football, like the fans who appreciate and like football as a sport. Not talking about football television consumers. Those want whatever is marketed at them.

I bet most of the Premier league clubs played against each other before half of the Serie A teams were even founded. No derbies in the Premier league? Many "big" games in Serie A? In what world have games like Napoli vs. Salernitana or Spezia vs. Sampdoria some relevance? For the fans of the club, yes. But beside them? Or the Derby della Mole ... In the last 25 years Torino was able to win one from 34 games. As a neutral spectator or fan who "appreciate and like football as a sport": Why should I care about this when I don't have time to watch 4, 5 games each weekend? I'd prefer to turn in Man City vs. Spurs (or watch the local team from my village).