Francesco Acerbi

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Are you talking about in Portuguese? There's two words for "black" in that language, "preto" and "negro". My rudimentary understanding of Portuguese is that "preto" tends to be used more to describe items being black, and that it's the more likely word to be used if someone's being racist, but just the other day someone told me that either word can hold racist connotations depending on how they're used (but that "preto" is more commonly used in a racist context).

Yes it’s contextual, it’s not like the germanic languages where the N word is always a stigmatic expression.

But in latin languages those words entirely depend on the context. Context is what makes them so. I think JJ mainly reacted because of the context not actually because of the N word itself, as in Portuguese it’s used for so many other things than just describing certain individuals, if he had said Preto he likely would have killed Acerbi.

Yes Preto can and is often used for that
 
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Acerbi grew up with a Paolo Negro jersey, he was just paying his respects to Juan Jesus for a fine game.

Case closed
 

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Acerbi grew up with a Paolo Negro jersey, he was just paying his respects to Juan Jesus for a fine game.

Case closed
I wonder how Liverani must have felt when people were calling Paolo Negro
 

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his comment make it look like he doesn't trust his teammate, which will lead to problems in the team.... I do agree with the part about leaving the pitch and thats what Juan Jesus should have done, if Acerbi was really shouting ''n*****'' at him.
I went ahead and edited this post.

We aren’t going to allow the N word to be freely posted here. Whether in quotations or not in quotations it isn’t going to be allowed.

This will be the warning to everyone on the forum. If you post it you will get a heavy infraction and/or ban.
 

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Yes, i remember, another black guy on the bench heard the 4th referee saying to the referee "negrul ala" "that black guy" and the guy on the bench got triggered as fuck, as he believed "negro" or "n*****" was spoken.
As in we leave in a super sensitive world, referee should have said "the number 9" or something, not referring to skin color.
I do understand Juan Jesus getting triggered by the word "nero" and his mind got clouded.
Its a stupid situation, really, in which from nobody will win.
Also, edit
This whole shitfest reminds me of a similar incident in my country. Some random black player swore at an opposing player. Ref then asked who exactly swore and the answer was "negru ala" which literally means "the black guy". In latin based languages the word for black is similar to negro/n***** or whatever else is perceived as a racial slur.
I think Acerbi in the heat of the moment just threw the "nero" in there which was really fucking stupid when he could have just used "cazzo" or "stronzo" and this whole ordeal would not exist.
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Reminder again to the forum we will not be tolerating use of slurs even if trying to make a “point” or being used in “context”
 

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Are you talking about in Portuguese? There's two words for "black" in that language, "preto" and "negro". My rudimentary understanding of Portuguese is that "preto" tends to be used more to describe items being black, and that it's the more likely word to be used if someone's being racist, but just the other day someone told me that either word can hold racist connotations depending on how they're used (but that "preto" is more commonly used in a racist context).
I meant in English. How you call in US people with black skin?
 

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I meant in English. How you call in US people with black skin?
Black guy or black girl. Certainly, not African American. Too freaking long.
 

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Black guy or black girl. Certainly, not African American. Too freaking long.
Is it considered offensive to refer to people with black skin as black people in the US?
In Iran, we refer to them as black people, and it's not considered offensive at all.
 

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Is it considered offensive to refer to people with black skin as black people in the US?
In Iran, we refer to them as black people, and it's not considered offensive at all.
It depends on the context, really. These days, people are not going around calling people black, but in a casual conversation, it's ok to mention black word. Don't forget we still have United Negro College Fund in USA.
 

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Is it considered offensive to refer to people with black skin as black people in the US?
In Iran, we refer to them as black people, and it's not considered offensive at all.

For rational people, it's not. If you're just describing someone's skin tone and they happen to be black, then there's no problem. How else are you going to do it? "African-American" is bullshit, especially because not every black person in the US is an American citizen, which would make calling them "[anything]-American" objectively incorrect. Of course you can use "black" as a way of being racist, but you can do that with literally any skin tone and ethnicity so there's nothing special there. Obviously slurs are their own issue and rooted in racism or xenophobia.
 

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It depends on the context, really. These days, people are not going around calling people black, but in a casual conversation, it's ok to mention black word. Don't forget we still have United Negro College Fund in USA.
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I don't fucking understand how can someone intentionally say even the word "nero" instead of n...., against someone who could misinterpret it.
And in the season we are having! The stupidest thing i've seen!!!! The subject has always sensitive enough, so why provoke it?!

Other than that, saying that you would beat someone up is fucking stupid too. He should get banned and his contract should be terminated for being stupid!
Stop relativize and be objective!
 

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I don't fucking understand how can someone intentionally say even the word "nero" instead of n...., against someone who could misinterpret it.
And in the season we are having! The stupidest thing i've seen!!!! The subject has always sensitive enough, so why provoke it?!

Other than that, saying that you would beat someone up is fucking stupid too. He should get banned and his contract should be terminated for being stupid!
Stop relativize and be objective!
ITalians are known for that shit 0 brain when it comes to racism
 

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I don't fucking understand how can someone intentionally say even the word "nero" instead of n...., against someone who could misinterpret it.
And in the season we are having! The stupidest thing i've seen!!!! The subject has always sensitive enough, so why provoke it?!

Other than that, saying that you would beat someone up is fucking stupid too. He should get banned and his contract should be terminated for being stupid!
Stop relativize and be objective!

Never been in Italy I reckon ?

I’ve been in Italy many times and frequent the country regularly. Daily and casual racism is unfortunately very widespread in Italy. It really should not shock or surprise anyone anymore.

Just look at serie a, you can hardly have a week pass by without some individual expressing their questionable views. We have a team in Lazio who are notoriously known for having crowds of a certain type. Acerbi came from said team, a team where racism is almost impregnated into every single layer of the club. It’s more shocking that there’re still players of colour who still want to play for them, especially as their crowds made monkey sounds for the 1001 time not long ago and it’s been going on for at least 50 odd years.
 

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Any color skin can be used in a sentence with a derogatory/racist meaning given the context. I personally never ever used someones skin color to insult them as I think its nonsense and also I am not bothered by it. I have been called gipsy ( not sure which words are allowed/not allowed on forum ) and got spat on and so on by our hungarian buddies even as a 13 year old playing in the first team with grown ups in friendlies.
I however consider it extremely stupid for a professional athlete to use racial slurs or using skin color derogatory given the spotlight and the whole "lets be politically correct" which I do consider extreme in lots of cases.
 
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