Geoffrey Kondogbia

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[thatdude]

Like I said at the beginning of the season, I'm willing to give him even a full season to adjust to Serie A and Inter. Should he be showing more now? That's debatable and I think all angles of that argument have been covered. I lean more towards the side of patience. We spent a lot on K-dog but I think we all knew that was partially for ability now and partially for future potential. So many players take a while to settle into a club and then start performing, I'm certainly not worried now because he has shown it in flashes.

 

[rfU]

He's a DM, best suited to seating deep in a 4-2-3-1 formation.

When and where did he play as a DM? He's a box to box CM. He doesn't look to have the positional sense or discipline to play as DM. I agree he needs to play alongside a creative midfielder to excel in midfield.

 

[Pimpin]

he doesn't need a creative midfielder per se, he needs another midfielder than when passed the ball doesn't act like the ball is a hot potato.

dude's only thing he can do is either fucking run through the attack/lose the ball/dangerous pass to static strikers.


the fuck do people expect from him in these settings is beyond me

 

[surripere]

When and where did he play as a DM? He's a box to box CM. He doesn't look to have the positional sense or discipline to play as DM. I agree he needs to play alongside a creative midfielder to excel in midfield.

Ehh...for most of his career so far he's played primarily as a DM, besides DMs can play box to box too. Yes he's positional sense has been poor (but that shall improve with experience) but he's whole games been poor, apart from some good driving runs from deep. He's yet to have a good game as a CM in our three man midfield.

 

[rfU]

Ehh...for most of his career so far he's played primarily as a DM, besides DMs can play box to box too. Yes he's positional sense has been poor (but that shall improve with experience) but he's whole games been poor, apart from some good driving runs from deep. He's yet to have a good game as a CM in our three man midfield.

In Sevilla he played alongside Medel and at Monaco alongside Toulalan. When was he ever a DM?

 

[surripere]

Why do all the online football sources say he's a DM so? Anyway he's neither one nor the other, but both. Happy now? :troll:

 

[Zoro]

Always thought DM was a position not a role, and there are different ways to be a DM - Destroyer, B2B and DLP no? I thought where you were positionally on the pitch i.e. further back the field what determined if you were a DM and if someone didn't have the defensive capabilities to be that far back they were considered CM

 

[thatdude]

Always thought DM was a position not a role, and there are different ways to be a DM - Destroyer, B2B and DLP no? I thought where you were positionally on the pitch i.e. further back the field what determined if you were a DM and if someone didn't have the defensive capabilities to be that far back they were considered CM

What you're referring to is really a holding midfielder, which can be a DLP, DM, etc. However for me DM implies that his primary function is defending the back 4 and destroying opposition moves.

 

[RubItAppianoGentile]

Kondogbia is far from being a defensive midfielder. One thing that characterizes a defensive midfielder is his capability of dispossessing a player with the ball, be it with a tackle or good anticipation.

I haven't seen this from Kdog in a single match till now in Inter. He has helped in defense putting pressure to the opposition and dispossessing sometimes but it is FAR from being one of his main qualities.

What I have seen till now is that he is a potential box to box midfielder and I say potential, because he still lacks stamina (he jogs a lot during matches). However, he has a LOT of potential character going forward and running past opponents, he has a good shooting technique, and knows how to pass when he has smart passers alongside him. So IMO, he has all the qualities (bar stamina) to be a great box to box midfielder.

 

[Ronin]

I'd like to see him as AM if we ever have the chance. He has a good vision and his passing isn't bad either, though it does need some more work.

 

[Pharaoh]

I'd like to see him as AM if we ever have the chance. He has a good vision and his passing isn't bad either, though it does need some more work.

Only if it is a cup game. Never want to see this kind of experimentation in the league.

 

[rfU]

Kondogbia is far from being a defensive midfielder. One thing that characterizes a defensive midfielder is his capability of dispossessing a player with the ball, be it with a tackle or good anticipation.

I haven't seen this from Kdog in a single match till now in Inter.

he did so quite a lot with monaco and sevilla. not clean tackles but the ball was one fairly. Anticipation was on point. Its his positioning that was a problem.

I'd like to see him as AM if we ever have the chance. He has a good vision and his passing isn't bad either, though it does need some more work.

his ball control isn't god enough, he'll get crowded out and dispossessed too easily. You need a quick, sharp player like D Silva to be effective in an AMF role these days.

 

[cuckooc]

There is one thing that I don't understand. Why do people call him as new Vieira? I don't think they have similarities besides they both have long legs and play as midfielder. Kondogbia is just too soft compared with Vieiraa and does not have strong presence in the midfield.

 

[Javier'sSon]

There is one thing that I don't understand. Why do people call him as new Vieira? I don't think they have similarities besides they both have long legs and play as midfielder. Kondogbia is just too soft compared with Vieiraa and does not have strong presence in the midfield.

Possibly, but was Viera the same player we know when he was 22?

 

[thatdude]

Viera failed at Milan let's not forget that.

 

[Sqnalkel]

When and where did he play as a DM? He's a box to box CM. He doesn't look to have the positional sense or discipline to play as DM. I agree he needs to play alongside a creative midfielder to excel in midfield.

Kondogbia started his professional career as a DM, his best assets are his defense capabilities, yes he can play as CM because of his good passing and dribbling, but he plays best in front of defense.

Right Now
DM: 56
CM: 49
AM: 1

Before Inter
DM: 55
CM: 38
AM: 1

Kondogbia is far from being a defensive midfielder. One thing that characterizes a defensive midfielder is his capability of dispossessing a player with the ball, be it with a tackle or good anticipation.

I haven't seen this from Kdog in a single match till now in Inter. He has helped in defense putting pressure to the opposition and dispossessing sometimes but it is FAR from being one of his main qualities.

What I have seen till now is that he is a potential box to box midfielder and I say potential, because he still lacks stamina (he jogs a lot during matches). However, he has a LOT of potential character going forward and running past opponents, he has a good shooting technique, and knows how to pass when he has smart passers alongside him. So IMO, he has all the qualities (bar stamina) to be a great box to box midfielder.

He has better defensive capabilities than all our other MFs, including Medel.

Last Season (2014-2015)

Player	Tackles	Tackling Success %	Interceptions	Blocks
Kondogbia	3,34	71,72%	2,68	1,84
Medel	2,38	59,40%	3,01	1,41

 

[cuckooc]

Possibly, but was Viera the same player we know when he was 22?

Of course when people are saying new Vieira, they are referring the best Vieira in his career, not the 12 years old, or 22 years old Vieira.
Who would compared a baby Vieira to a professional footballer? When people saying someone is a new Messi, do they intent to say they are referring a 12 years old Messi?

 

[Javier'sSon]

I'm just saying that even the beast Viera was not very beastly at the age of 22 and it seems odd to compare a player's peak time with another player who's still developing.

 

[cuckooc]

I'm just saying that even the beast Viera was not very beastly at the age of 22 and it seems odd to compare a player's peak time with another player who's still developing.

When we say someone is new Vieira or new Messi, we are not saying the player is as good as Vieira or Messi or at the same level as Messi. When people dub the player as new Messi, usually this player must be very good at dribbling or has very good technical skill.

So what Is the similarities in the playing style between Vieira and Kondogbia?

Vieira is very physical and strong, a warrior in the midfield. Kondogbia does not go body to body, but his dribbling is better. I really don't see their playing style are similar.