Gian Piero Gasperini

[NeonBlade]

can anyone remeber the last time the business end of a club had to interject with its views on tactics being used by their coach...........I THINK NOT!

weak sauce MM should have been done behind closed doors.

Moratti should've called him on the sidelines after the referee blew the whistle and told him don't bother coming back to Milan with team.

 

[n4l]

can anyone remeber the last time the business end of a club had to interject with its views on tactics being used by their coach...........I THINK NOT!

weak sauce MM should have been done behind closed doors.

As for your view on the formation...i dont know man. i mean it cant be classified as "regression" if its going to win us titles...right?

What titles we're going to win with it? Certainly not serie A, since Milan have the better players at doing it now. They can sit 3 destroyers in the middle because fuckin Boateng will run all day long.
And certainly we will not win CL, since all those teams will spread us out like a fucking whore.

Let's be real here. In all Gasp's comments so far, he is DEAD ON in terms of what is happening wrong tactically, so clearly, he knows wtf is going on and is not clueless. Tweaks have to be made. But not to go back to a 4-3-1-2. As I've said before, I'd prefer a 4-3-3 since it will be easier for us to transition to, but the 3-4-3 is not the end of the world.

Let's not kid ourselves either. Gasp is 100% correct in his assessment of Wes. He is no fucking midfielder. He is a forward/ss now. He doesn't defend and track back. Putting him at the top of a 4-3-1-2 means it is just a 4-3-3, but with a bigger gap between forward line and midfield line. Also, once Zarate came off, the forward movements could clearly be seen and with practice (notice, first game with Forlan, Yuto + Jonathan), the movements will be better. Forlan and Wes were drifting into spaces in the middle and were free as a bird. Wes was fuckin 8055 in his movements and was free to create and or shoot.

Management has lost the plot completely. I think Branca should try coaching since he wants to discuss tactics.

 

[Fitzy]

Moratti should've called him on the sidelines after the referee blew the whistle and told him don't bother coming back to Milan with team.

:yawn:

 

[blackmore]

What titles we're going to win with it? Certainly not serie A, since Milan have the better players at doing it now. They can sit 3 destroyers in the middle because fuckin Boateng will run all day long.
And certainly we will not win CL, since all those teams will spread us out like a fucking whore.

Let's be real here. In all Gasp's comments so far, he is DEAD ON in terms of what is happening wrong tactically, so clearly, he knows wtf is going on and is not clueless. Tweaks have to be made. But not to go back to a 4-3-1-2. As I've said before, I'd prefer a 4-3-3 since it will be easier for us to transition to, but the 3-4-3 is not the end of the world.

Let's not kid ourselves either. Gasp is 100% correct in his assessment of Wes. He is no fucking midfielder. He is a forward/ss now. He doesn't defend and track back. Putting him at the top of a 4-3-1-2 means it is just a 4-3-3, but with a bigger gap between forward line and midfield line. Also, once Zarate came off, the forward movements could clearly be seen and with practice (notice, first game with Forlan, Yuto + Jonathan), the movements will be better. Forlan and Wes were drifting into spaces in the middle and were free as a bird. Wes was fuckin 8055 in his movements and was free to create and or shoot.

Management has lost the plot completely. I think Branca should try coaching since he wants to discuss tactics.

Our squad is just as good as milans, the scudetto is not entirely impossible. Im not sure why so many ppl think milans squad is so great. FACT....They didnt win the title last year, we lost it. We still have the squad to be competitive locally.

Also how did Gasp all of a sudden revolutionise Wesleys position.?? The only reason Wes has all of a sudden become a "forward" player is because Gasp cant fit him in his formation any other way....its plain as day!

Its funny cause hes the only one who thinks wes ISNT a MF....dont believe me ask VAN Mar Wink.Sorry, the problem has nothing to do with wes or what he can/cannot play, Gasp is just fishing for excuses. WESLEY SNEIJDER ISNT A FORWARD! 2 years ago he won the "best MF award in europe". Nothing has changed...well nothing besides the coach. Its obvious Gasp said what he said to give reason to play wes out of position, if only to accomodate his own formation. He doesnt defend and track back.....well he sure as well did for Jose, and he sure does for Holland.



Personally id like to see a 433/4231 formation.
I think it would suit us well. I also think Gasp could add his own "touch" to it. Its obvious he is a decent coach. He dares to play attacking football, and shows that hes willing to make changes if needed. I strongly believe that if we play a decent formation that plays to the strengths of our players....MILAN FUCK OFF ZERO TIULI!

As for management....well im in agreeance. Ive been saying it since they started thinking about selling our whole team AKA Samuel Eto'o.

 

[DIN011]

He just confirmed that he will use a 4-3-3 tomorrow. He said he will use a 4-man def against teams who use 1 forward, and a 3 man def against teams that use 2.

 

[NeonBlade]

Nerazzurri4life just posted a bunch of SHIT. I'm surprised you even tried to respond to a post so full of ignorance Blackmore. I saw it and decided its not worth my time, because he is a FOOL. Anyone that thanked him needs to be thrown in the bin with him and the post. The absolute most idiotic post I have seen on FIF.

Here Blackmore.

J.Zanetti our moderator posted this in the Palermo-Inter thread, read it if you want intelligence. http://www.zonalmarking.net/2011/09/12/palermo-4-3-inter-gasperini-3-4-3-tactics/

This is an excerpt from the article I just posted via J.Zanetti.

"Sneijder

That helped Inter, because Sneijder’s natural game was to come deeper, pick up possession and thread balls through to the forwards. Until then, they’d lacked any kind of link whatsoever between the seven defensive-minded players and the three attackers. The Dutchman played some brilliant incisive passes – most notably to Forlan, first for a chance that (eventually, after a handball shout and a corner) resulted in Samuel winning a penalty, and then to the same player in the final minute, for a consolation goal. Even at this early stage, Gasperini finds himself in something of a difficult situation – Inter have depended for so long upon Sneijder as a central creator and really do need his invention, yet Sneijder’s natural home is not in a 3-4-3" .

 

[Ronaldo]

So i hear Gasp is going to change to 4-man defense. About fucking time!!!

 

[n4l]

Our squad is just as good as milans, the scudetto is not entirely impossible. Im not sure why so many ppl think milans squad is so great. FACT....They didnt win the title last year, we lost it. We still have the squad to be competitive locally.

We lost it because Milan beat us. Their 4-3-1-2 beat ours. They may not have a "better" squad (whatever the hell that means), but their 4-3-1-2 trumps ours. Their players are better suited. Speed, strength, skill and workrate in the critical positions.

Also how did Gasp all of a sudden revolutionise Wesleys position.?? The only reason Wes has all of a sudden become a "forward" player is because Gasp cant fit him in his formation any other way....its plain as day!

The last time Wes played as a true MF was at Real. Jose used him in 4-3-1-2 and 4-2-3-1 and even then, his defensive duties were next to none. At most, he'd be putting pressure on the opponents DM/backline, but that is it. When our team is on defensive transition, Wes is jogging around like a forward. When our team is in a set defensive phase, Wes is still jogging around or walking around, high up the pitch just like a forward. What games have you been watching man? That is not what a real MF does. Compare what Wes does to Iniesta. It is not even close. Iniesta is tracking back and putting in tackles. Wes does not do that.

Its funny cause hes the only one who thinks wes ISNT a MF....dont believe me ask VAN Mar Wink.Sorry, the problem has nothing to do with wes or what he can/cannot play, Gasp is just fishing for excuses. WESLEY SNEIJDER ISNT A FORWARD! 2 years ago he won the "best MF award in europe". Nothing has changed...well nothing besides the coach. Its obvious Gasp said what he said to give reason to play wes out of position, if only to accomodate his own formation. He doesnt defend and track back.....well he sure as well did for Jose, and he sure does for Holland.

What's the last game you've seen Holland play? Wes does not track back and defend. Furthermore, let us really define what is a midfielder. Because I sense that people are looking at a formation setup and then assume that is what he is. In form and function, Wes plays like an SS. Just like Kaka.

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Nerazzurri4life just posted a bunch of SHIT. I'm surprised you even tried to respond to a post so full of ignorance Blackmore. I saw it and decided its not worth my time, because he is a FOOL. Anyone that thanked him needs to be thrown in the bin with him and the post. The absolute most idiotic post I have seen on FIF.

Here Blackmore.

J.Zanetti our moderator posted this in the Palermo-Inter thread, read it if you want intelligence. http://www.zonalmarking.net/2011/09/12/palermo-4-3-inter-gasperini-3-4-3-tactics/

This is an excerpt from the article I just posted via J.Zanetti.

"Sneijder

That helped Inter, because Sneijder’s natural game was to come deeper, pick up possession and thread balls through to the forwards. Until then, they’d lacked any kind of link whatsoever between the seven defensive-minded players and the three attackers. The Dutchman played some brilliant incisive passes – most notably to Forlan, first for a chance that (eventually, after a handball shout and a corner) resulted in Samuel winning a penalty, and then to the same player in the final minute, for a consolation goal. Even at this early stage, Gasperini finds himself in something of a difficult situation – Inter have depended for so long upon Sneijder as a central creator and really do need his invention, yet Sneijder’s natural home is not in a 3-4-3" .

Nice way to call it a shit post without any counter argument.

And at that zonalmarking dude. He wishes football can be explained as simply as drawings on a chalkboard. Clearly, no depth of actual knowledge of the game.

How can you explain Wes' performance against Palermo then?

 

[NeonBlade]

How can you explain Wes' performance against Palermo then?

Oh my God. he just DID by highlighting that although the bumbling idiot coach we have tried to deploy him on the wing, Sneijder is a smart boy with a football brain and he tried, he works and he sees where he is needed, and he forced himself to drift deeper into the pocket to play his Trequista role!

And I don't have to counteract that post because your own post does it for me. It is filled with fucking HOGWASH!

I don't even want to go into the blasphemy of you saying Milan have a better team that is, it is a God damned LIE! No one on Milans team is technically superior to any of our players. NONE!

We lost to them because of Benitez and Leo.

 

[n4l]

Oh my God. he just DID by highlighting that although the bumbling idiot coach we have tried to deploy him on the wing, Sneijder is a smart boy with a football brain and he tried, he works and he sees where he is needed, and he forced himself to drift deeper into the pocket to play his Trequista role!

wow

Now I see the type of poster I am discussing things with. Do you really think a 3-4-3 must function exactly like it looks on paper?
Do you also believe formation = tactics?


If you believe wes decided on his own to drift to the middle, then you do that. But even the zonalmarking dude is not that much of an idiot. Please read his post again.

I guess when the coach mentioned before the game that that was his vision for wes, it meant nothing to you.
I guess when the coach brought on wes, moved him to left, pushed nagatomo up more, and moved forlan to the right, that the result was "lucky" and not something thought about by the coach

 

[blackmore]

The last time Wes played as a true MF was at Real. Jose used him in 4-3-1-2 and 4-2-3-1 and even then, his defensive duties were next to none. At most, he'd be putting pressure on the opponents DM/backline, but that is it. When our team is on defensive transition, Wes is jogging around like a forward. When our team is in a set defensive phase, Wes is still jogging around or walking around, high up the pitch just like a forward. What games have you been watching man? That is not what a real MF does. Compare what Wes does to Iniesta. It is not even close. Iniesta is tracking back and putting in tackles. Wes does not do that.

You posted alot...but i think ill just concentrate on this point here, since i think our main converstaional point is about Sneijder. Firstly the term MF is very vast. There are many different roles that a MF can play...he is not bound to one. Thus there is no such term as a "true midfielder"....its just not possible. Sneijders role in this team is to link up play, thats what he was brought in to do. Secondly, you casnnot compare him to Iniesta....they both play totally different MF roles. If wes was to play much more deeper in a 433 ala Iniesta, them he too would be putting in tackles. You said he puts pressure on DMs and the backline....well in his role thats what hes meant to do. Theres a reason why many managers dont ask him to tackle to often, hes fucking terrible at it sometimes. It doesnt matter if hes jogging around when the team is in defensive transition...like i said, there are many MF roles. Not all of them require to track back and defend like defenders. Football is all about quadrants, and where youre supposed to be in relation to where the other team has the ball. If everyone ran around like headless chickens, what use would there be to have a manager on the team. Thats why we use tactics. The sooner ppl figure that out the better.


Wesley Sneijder a forward.................okerface:

 

[NeonBlade]

wow

Now I see the type of poster I am discussing things with. Do you really think a 3-4-3 must function exactly like it looks on paper?
Do you also believe formation = tactics?


If you believe wes decided on his own to drift to the middle, then you do that. But even the zonalmarking dude is not that much of an idiot. Please read his post again.

I guess when the coach mentioned before the game that that was his vision for wes, it meant nothing to you.
I guess when the coach brought on wes, moved him to left, pushed nagatomo up more, and moved forlan to the right, that the result was "lucky" and not something thought about by the coach

I actually do believe Wesley got a feel for the game and did this on his own. Assperini was clueless all game, and if it was what was intended why did he leave Wesley on the bench? To conserve him for Trabzonspor? We should win with our 2nd string squad against them, he was needed against Palermo! That is the sort of idiot coach we hired, because trust me if he had thought about the results Sneijder would've brought he wouldn't have him languishing next to Pazzini who should've also started.

The two of them must have been cursing this idiot when they were on the bench, because they were deep in discussion.

 

[n4l]

You posted alot...but i think ill just concentrate on this point here, since i think our main converstaional point is about Sneijder. Firstly the term MF is very vast. There are many different roles that a MF can play...he is not bound to one. Thus there is no such term as a "true midfielder"....its just not possible. Sneijders role in this team is to link up play, thats what he was brought in to do. Secondly, you casnnot compare him to Iniesta....they both play totally different MF roles. If wes was to play much more deeper in a 433 ala Iniesta, them he too would be putting in tackles. You said he puts pressure on DMs and the backline....well in his role thats what hes meant to do. Theres a reason why many managers dont ask him to tackle to often, hes fucking terrible at it sometimes. It doesnt matter if hes jogging around when the team is in defensive transition...like i said, there are many MF roles. Not all of them require to track back and defend like defenders. Football is all about quadrants, and where youre supposed to be in relation to where the other team has the ball. If everyone ran around like headless chickens, what use would there be to have a manager on the team. Thats why we use tactics. The sooner ppl figure that out the better.


Wesley Sneijder a forward.................okerface:

Ok Black.

I hope you can see that you have quite an "expansive" view of the role of a MF, yet you have a narrow view of the role of a "forward".

So, iyo, a player who plays very high up, pressures only the opponents defensive players, does not track back on the defensive transition, and still does not track back on set defensive phase can be considered a midfielder.

So, my question to you is, why NOT consider that player a forward?

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I actually do believe Wesley got a feel for the game and did this on his own. Assperini was clueless all game, and if it was what was intended why did he leave Wesley on the bench? To conserve him for Trabzonspor? We should win with our 2nd string squad against them, he was needed against Palermo! That is the sort of idiot coach we hired, because trust me if he had thought about the results Sneijder would've brought he wouldn't have him languishing next to Pazzini who should've also started.

The two of them must have been cursing this idiot when they were on the bench, because they were deep in discussion.

/end discussion with this 'poster'.

 

[Johnny Ludlow]

Oh shit. The one time I thank n4l, I deserve to be thrown into a bin or something. Very unlucky.

 

[bibonzo]

He just confirmed that he will use a 4-3-3 tomorrow. He said he will use a 4-man def against teams who use 1 forward, and a 3 man def against teams that use 2.

Where did you get that? If anything he repeated its not a formation problem.

http://www.inter.it/aas/news/reader?N=37483&L=en

I dont think the problem will go away even if he reverts the formation because its something he never done at Genoa successfully. He switched between 3-4-3 and 4-3-3 and they continued losing in there last season. Our mercato was poor and the team is limited and slow so his romantic/attacking ideas will never catch properly. Unfortunately his destined to fail IMO. Just hope we dont fall to far behind before he gets the boot.

 

[SpecialOne]

We recive 4 goals from Palermo.. How many will we recive when we meet Milan, Juventus or Napoli...Barca,Real,Chelsea..
Play 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 or GTFO from our club!!

 

[Johnny Ludlow]

4-3-3 is the way to go and in this formation it's better to have Wes as a forward than as a midfielder. He can make room to other players with his very intelligent movement, play some deadly combinations and shoot with both feet. Against Palermo, from around 55. to 85. minute, we looked very good offensively. I haven't seen Inter play with such fluidity in a long time. It's not surprising, since Milito, Forlan and Sneijder are all intelligent players. While Wesley obviously is a great passer, it's better to have him further up so he can use all of his best attributes to maximum effect. I really don't care if you want to call the formation 4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2, but the bottom line is, that Sneijder should play in a very advanced position. Maybe 4-3-3 is more accurate on paper; he is not there merely to feed the strikers by playing behind them. He is there to combine with them.

 

[Universe]

He just confirmed that he will use a 4-3-3 tomorrow.

I wouldn't go so far as to say he confirms that he will use a 4 man defensive line. From the news I read, it seems more like he's openly discussing the possibility of it, but not guaranteeing that it will happen, not against Trabzonspor at least.

I think it's 50-50% chance he'll use a 3 back or 4 back system. In Gasperini's eyes, this match could be another chance to try the 3-4-3 but under less pressure and against 'weaker' opposition.

 

[Tanel]

This guy has absolutely no understanding of anything.

We are Inter, one of the biggest teams in Europe, definitely among the two best in Italy... we find the playing style that is strongest for us. And teams adapt to us, we don't go to fucking Palermo and adapt to how Palermo plays (and utterly get it wrong to make things worse).

I apologize for supporting the appointment of him. I thought he was far more intelligent manager.

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4-3-3 is the way to go and in this formation it's better to have Wes as a forward than as a midfielder. He can make room to other players with his very intelligent movement, play some deadly combinations and shoot with both feet. Against Palermo, from around 55. to 85. minute, we looked very good offensively. I haven't seen Inter play with such fluidity in a long time. It's not surprising, since Milito, Forlan and Sneijder are all intelligent players. While Wesley obviously is a great passer, it's better to have him further up so he can use all of his best attributes to maximum effect. I really don't care if you want to call the formation 4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2, but the bottom line is, that Sneijder should play in a very advanced position. Maybe 4-3-3 is more accurate on paper; he is not there merely to feed the strikers by playing behind them. He is there to combine with them.

Why not 4-2-3-1?

Why do we have to stay a 10 years behind rest of Europe and play with only 3 attacking players (one of them sitting behind forwards to make it even less narrow). Okay in Serie A, but why go embarass us again with impotent play in Europe as we cannot keep the ball due to lack of width, let alone create chances... as soon as Inter switched to 4-2-3-1 we played like a true top team of Europe. 4-3-3 of Mou's first season wouldn't work tho since we don't have mobile enough central midfielders so I feel it's much better to let 2 central midfielders stay far back and have one properly attacking one pulling the strings in attack.

 

[Johnny Ludlow]

Ah, my initial post disappeared. God, I can't use this forum.

Anyway Tanel, first and second part of that post are seriously contradicting each other.

First you say Gasperini doesn't understand anything because he is making adjustments. This in itself is a strange thing to say. Then you talk about Mourinho's tactics, about how we played like a real European team. This tactic was an adjustment to our opponents and nothing else. It was employed to wreck attacking teams, it was not objectively the best way for us to play (of course, there isn't such thing, since every game is played against a real opponent, not in a vacuum). With this formation we were really impotent in Serie A againts teams that decided to sit back. It's pointless to glorify Inter of 2009-2010 like that.