Inter - Cagliari

[Hammoudi]

I was just predicting. How about setting some bets now. I say if Veron succeeds with us next year - tough to define success but we can work out something - I will do whatever you want, something reasonable though And vice versa.

I just don't get what you see in Veron??? I bet Cambaisso Stankovic in the middle is much better.

 

[snake]

but i thing he is ALERADY a success. our opinions differ, it wont work. i think this year his already been good, u think oppisote. i bet next year it'll be the sme lol.

 

[Ari]

my final statement for him: Zemat, Frisko and all other Veron believers, dont argue no more, because the only thing that matters is that Mancini agrees with us and continues to play him

Amen. :star:

 

[CafeCordoba]

I just don't get what you see in Veron??? I bet Cambaisso Stankovic in the middle is much better.

I agree with you so much. He's too slow to play Italian soccer. He's bad in defence. With pro-Veron guys, I agree that Veron has very good passes and "game view" (don't know the English word, "pelinäkemys" "pelisilmä") but they aren't enough in team like Inter novadays, when those things mentioned first are missing.

Stankovic isn't maybe so defensive either, but he's so much more dynamic and active. And he's offensive play in the center is very good (seen that hardly at all this season) and he's real threat in attack for the opponents.

 

[The Count of Anti-Milan]

I am truly dumbfounded by this declaration that Veron is great. Maybe I am missing something

Nothing much, just about the whole Inter season.

 

[Handoyo]

See, the funny yet sad thing about football is that at the end of the season, it seems that the first 10-20 games of the season didn't exist. Yes, I admit that Veron has been good as of late. But do you forget his first game against Chievo? Inter 2-2 Parma? Lecce 2-2 Inter & Inter 2-0 Roma, especially in which he was practically as active on the ball as the referee. Inter 1-1 Lazio? And of course, the grandest stage of the all, EuroDerby II 2nd leg where he single-handedly destroyed, slowed down and cancelled almost all of our offensive moves? To rub salt on the wound, Roberto Mancini, somehow someway, experimented with a 4-3-3 formation just to give Veron his preferred role in the middle. Yes, that formation was used before in the previous game in Bologna 0-1 Inter but HELLO!? This is the biggest game of the season yet he went to do it, just for Veron, just to allow number 14 in his preferred role. An experiment. Yup, against Milan in the 2nd leg of the EuroDerby II.

My point is, Inter is building a long term project. What has Veron shown before this to justify his role in the team as the leader of our offense? Why was he chosen instead of the other players in the team, or even those available in the market before he joined? As much as Milos will disagree with me, there is only one word and that is favouritism. You can deny it but Moratti has always had an erection in every interview in which Veron's name was mentioned, before he joined us. And Mancini, I don't think I need to go on further details.

To be honest, I don't really have Juan Sebastian Veron that much, but it is the fact that he keeps on getting his unfair chances ahead of the other players in the club that just make me sick. If you want to read a more detailed comment by me on Veron, please visit Jimmy's website and read the article that I wrote him in the summer.

Oh yes, speaking about Veron bet, sorry Tim if you are offended when I reveal this, me & Tim did have a bet on Veron when he first came to Inter. The wager was a restaurant meal and the duration of the bet...I kinda forget but I think it was to the end of the season. Tim is one of the pro-Veron who was happy that he joined us. Believe it or not, he has since forfeited it. If you want an unbiased prove, I can't give no more than a fellow poster that is Timothy "The Great One" Jonathan.


Handyo


PS: I've taken my avatar down out of respect to guys like Ziyad & Ari but I just wanna say it feels D@MN good wearing & creating it.

 

[Hammoudi]

Mancini has seen first hand how great Veron is. He was with him in that unbelievable seaon that he had, and he helped Mancio score some goals. Mancio still thinks that Veron is the same, well, he isn't. As I said, that Veron is somewhere in England.

Also, Stan is better as an overall CM than Veron. Veron has better passes, but Stan dribbles better and defends much much much better. Veron has great shots, but so does Stan. And Stan has a knack to scoring goals, more than Veron.

 

[Frisko]

my final statement for him: Zemat, Frisko and all other Veron believers, dont argue no more, because the only thing that matters is that Mancini agrees with us and continues to play him

You're damn right brother

Anyway, that damn Handoyo guy managed to jimk La Brujita who is not out of the Gobbi game! Grrrr!!

Oh well, at least that means I will see the Gladiators, Cuchu and Martello, dominate the gobbi midfield

 

[Ziyad]

Too bad we will miss Veron at a time where we need him alot taking into consideration that Stan and Emre are just coming back...

I wonder what Mancini will do.Could it be 2 dm and Kily and ZeMaria on the wings????

Whatever it is i hope to see one of Emre and Stan in this one...

This was definately the curse of Han

 

[scutzon]

Damn you, Han! :frustrat:

 

[Granit]

The Best Ones Of The Serie A so far
From Gazzetta dello Sport
Makinwa-----------6.55
Corini---------------6.52
Emerson-----------6.52
Pagliuca------------6.52
Shevchenko-------6.48
Veron----------6.45
Camoranesi-------6.44
Totti-----------------6.41
Meghni-------------6.41

The Ratings For Our Players
Veron 6.45
Cambiasso 6.38
Adriano 6.23
Vieri 6.23
Toldo 6.2
Zanetti 6.18
Materazzi 6.09
Zanetti 6.07
Cordoba 6.04
Recoba 6.0
Martins 5.98
Mihajlovic 5.87
Cruz 5.86
Ze' Maria 5.85
Stankovic 5.84
Favalli 5.8
Davids 5.77
Van Der Meyde 5.77
Emre 5.59

Veron
1^ Giornata Chievo-Inter 2-2 7.5
2^ Giornata Inter-Palermo 1-1 6.5
4^ Giornata Inter-Parma 2-2 5.5
5^ Giornata Roma-Inter 3-3 6.5
6^ Giornata Inter-Udinese 3-1 6.5
7^ Giornata Milan-Inter 0-0 6.5
8^ Giornata Lecce-Inter 2-2 6.5
9^ Giornata Inter-Lazio 1-1 5.5
11^ Giornata Inter-Bologna 2-2 s.v.
20^ Giornata Inter-Chievo 1-1 5.5
21^ Giornata Palermo-Inter 0-2 6.5
22^ Giornata Inter-Atalanta 1-0 6.5
23^ Giornata Parma-Inter 2-2 6.5
24^ Giornata Inter-Roma 2-0 5.5
25^ Giornata Udinese-Inter 1-1 7.0
26^ Giornata Inter-Milan 0-1 6.5
27^ Giornata Inter-Lecce 2-1 7.0
28^ Giornata Lazio-Inter 1-1 6.5
29^ Giornata Inter-Fiorentina 3-2 8.0
31^ Giornata Inter-Cagliari 2-0 6.0

Say what...?????????????????????
HE'S DONE REALLY GOOOOOOD!

 

[Granit]

The Best Ones Of The Serie A so far
From Gazzetta dello Sport
Makinwa-----------6.55
Corini---------------6.52
Emerson-----------6.52
Pagliuca------------6.52
Shevchenko-------6.48
Veron----------6.45
Camoranesi-------6.44
Totti-----------------6.41
Meghni-------------6.41

The Ratings For Our Players
Veron 6.45
Cambiasso 6.38
Adriano 6.23
Vieri 6.23
Toldo 6.2
C.Zanetti 6.18
Materazzi 6.09
J.Zanetti 6.07
Cordoba 6.04
Recoba 6.0
Martins 5.98
Mihajlovic 5.87
Cruz 5.86
Ze' Maria 5.85
Stankovic 5.84
Favalli 5.8
Davids 5.77
Van Der Meyde 5.77
Emre 5.59

Veron
1^ Giornata Chievo-Inter 2-2 7.5
2^ Giornata Inter-Palermo 1-1 6.5
4^ Giornata Inter-Parma 2-2 5.5
5^ Giornata Roma-Inter 3-3 6.5
6^ Giornata Inter-Udinese 3-1 6.5
7^ Giornata Milan-Inter 0-0 6.5
8^ Giornata Lecce-Inter 2-2 6.5
9^ Giornata Inter-Lazio 1-1 5.5
11^ Giornata Inter-Bologna 2-2 s.v.
20^ Giornata Inter-Chievo 1-1 5.5
21^ Giornata Palermo-Inter 0-2 6.5
22^ Giornata Inter-Atalanta 1-0 6.5
23^ Giornata Parma-Inter 2-2 6.5
24^ Giornata Inter-Roma 2-0 5.5
25^ Giornata Udinese-Inter 1-1 7.0
26^ Giornata Inter-Milan 0-1 6.5
27^ Giornata Inter-Lecce 2-1 7.0
28^ Giornata Lazio-Inter 1-1 6.5
29^ Giornata Inter-Fiorentina 3-2 8.0
31^ Giornata Inter-Cagliari 2-0 6.0

Say what...?????????????????????
HE'S DONE REALLY GOOOOOOD!

 

[Ari]

Great sherlocking KoSoVa. :thumbsup:

 

[Pravesh]

I am with Handoyo and Hamed on this. I am not going against Veron for this season, but I don't want him in Inter for next season. Coz I think that Stankovic should be playing there, or ?? Pizarro isn't bad as well. After all, I thought Inter's porject was a long term one.

Thanx Veron for doing kinda well this season, but I wann say g'bye to him.

 

[snake]

lol at Sherlocking.


Prav im with u. Veron cant be a long term solution, unless every season u must accept he will get a serious injury during it at least once.

 

[Handoyo]

I just know that one of you will use Gazzetta's rating to back Veron up. I may sound very Mourinho-esque here but their ratings on Veron is just absolute crap. If I'm not wrong, Veron were rated 7.5 in his first 2 Serie A games against Chievo & Palermo. Hah! Audaciously outrageous! Maybe it was Mancini who was rating him. But seriously, again I am not alone in saying this point. I remember clearly that Jimmy also has a disagreement with Veron's rating by Gazzetta. A simple look at the ratings just tell me that something is incredibly amiss when Materazzi is rated higher than Cordoba, although by a 0.05 margin only and that Vieri has been better than Recoba and Martins.

Now, I remember that someone mentioned that when Veron was injured in December, we missed him a lot and our plays become stagnant. Well, whoopee-diddly-doo!!! We won 2 of our games in December, with clean sheets accompanying all victories and drawing once only. Not THAT impressive, I know. But in January, when Veron was still injured, we also won against Livorno & Sampdoria but only managing a draw against Reggina. Seems like we really miss him. That is 6 matches, 4 wins and 2 draws, definitely a championship form. If we keep going at that rate from the first until the last game of the season, we would rake up 88-89 points at the end of the season. Record breaking, I think.

Now, I think a lot of people think that I am mad at Veron mainly because he threw Emre out of the squad. To tell you the truth, that is just one wild guess because all I want is the best for Inter. No Emre, no problem. Stankovic showed in the last few games of 03/04 that he is more than capable of being the general in the centre of midfield. So why wasn't he chosed then? Why do we need to get Veron? What has Veron did that made him deserve to replace Stankovic as the midfield maestro in the centre of the park?

This morning, I was incredibly sad that Veron is out of tonight's game. But it's only because I want us to lose to Juve and I just know that Veron will struggle against Blasi - Emerson. Now, we're likely to use C.Zanetti - Cambiasso, who'd obviously do better.

Anyways, enough rambling. It's obvious that our opinions on Veron are like oil & water. As much as I ramble, it would be useless if it does nothing to affect Veron's position on the team.


Handyo

 

[Granit]

Danm Han...you got good memory...!

I really don't care either, i just hope we soon can win something


FORZA INTER
FORZA ME

 

[snake]

Handoyo, its not just the results. But its how we played, without Veron in that 'period' we lacked big time.

but u might say who cares about how we play its results t hat count! true!

but when he didnt play we also struggled to get some results. lets see.....

Inter-Chievo. finished 1-1. that was quote

"inters worst game of the season" moratti and Mancini. apperently we 'lacked' something.
well Veron didnt play there(except as a sub, first game back after 2 months mind u) :stuckup:

but this is my point, also lets see Vs Reggina. OMG did u watch that game? where was the creativity, whom did we have? nobody, it was fkn dull, it reminded me of juves performances. But most those games, from Cagliari, to Brescia (1-0 victory cause ofa miha freekick) we lacked something.

also werder Bremen 1, inter 1. That game chances were few and far between, we barely did nothing.

so in the end, we might get some results. But without Veron its obvious our play takes a huge blow. and thats what were arguing.

 

[Ziyad]

I remember that Reggina game was our worst game of the year...Its the first time i think we really played worse than a draw.

 

[Handoyo]

Handoyo, its not just the results. But its how we played, without Veron in that 'period' we lacked big time.

but u might say who cares about how we play its results t hat count! true!

but when he didnt play we also struggled to get some results. lets see.....

Inter-Chievo. finished 1-1. that was quote

"inters worst game of the season" moratti and Mancini. apperently we 'lacked' something.
well Veron didnt play there(except as a sub, first game back after 2 months mind u) :stuckup:

but this is my point, also lets see Vs Reggina. OMG did u watch that game? where was the creativity, whom did we have? nobody, it was fkn dull, it reminded me of juves performances. But most those games, from Cagliari, to Brescia (1-0 victory cause ofa miha freekick) we lacked something.

also werder Bremen 1, inter 1. That game chances were few and far between, we barely did nothing.

so in the end, we might get some results. But without Veron its obvious our play takes a huge blow. and thats what were arguing.

I don't take notes of the CL games but a quickee I can pull off is Inter 3-0 Anderlecht. And I just remember, we got our first Serie A win 'coincidentally' when Veron missed his first Serie A game for Inter.

About our performances, I have never given a d@mn about how Inter play. I don't care if it was Cuper-esque or Wenger-esque. The most important thing is result. I disagree that if we play well we will win our games. Sometimes, no, a lot of times, playing badly win games too. Are you happy that we haven't scored against Milan yet even though we played better than them? Inter 1-0 Brescia was indeed boring, full of poor plays and was reminiscence of Cuper's era. But we won and we got a clean sheet. Hell, I think Livorno 0-2 Inter was a pretty bad game too. But hey, we won, so who cares? If you prefer entertainment than result, then this argument will definitely never find a light.


Handyo