Inter - Chievo Verona (13 Jan 14)

[JJM]

Honest question to everyone saying referees are fucking us over: given how we are playing, do you think we should be higher than 5th?

We should be treated fairly from the refs...that's what I'm talking about not where do we stand on the table but talking about where we would be without the refs fuck ups is fu stupid anyway so no we are rightfully in 5th place although we could have had 8 points more but if,buts and maybes don't count and won't help us if we don't help ourselves.So we should start concentrating on our play to do better ourselves and not wait for the refs to help us(even when it's fu logical they should penalize the opponent)because they clearly won't.

And refs fucked us over even in the treble year but they didn't cause us to much harme because we were fu superior.Now we have less quality and when the refs decide to fuck us it shows even more sadly.

So let's try to improve the play and then we can say fu you refs we are good enough on our own!!!

but but...

our moral is weak as it is me thinks and the ref decisions make it even worse!
In the treble year Mou took care of that beautifully and it showed on the pitch were the players didn't quit for nothing!GOOD fu times those were.Mou was unique.

 

[Wings]

We should be treated fairly from the refs...that's what I'm talking about not where do we stand on the table but talking about where we would be without the refs fuck ups is fu stupid anyway so no we are rightfully in 5th place although we could have had 8 points more but if,buts and maybes don't count and won't help us if we don't help ourselves.So we should start concentrating on our play to do better ourselves and not wait for the refs to help us(even when it's fu logical they should penalize the opponent)because they clearly won't.

And refs fucked us over even in the treble year but they didn't cause us to much harme because we were fu superior.Now we have less quality and when the refs decide to fuck us it shows even more sadly.

So let's try to improve the play and then we can say fu you refs we are good enough on our own!!!

but but...

our moral is weak as it is me thinks and the ref decisions make it even worse!
In the treble year Mou took care of that beautifully and it showed on the pitch were the players didn't quit for nothing!GOOD fu times those were.Mou was unique.

I'm not saying that refs have not made bad decisions, but are we really 'targeted?' I'm sure other teams get poor decisions too.

 

[wera]

We should be next to Milan right now, we play the same way as before, just don't get results.

 

[Karamja]

Regardless if you play good or bad the referees should ideally be fair to you. If we go visit this ideal world where referees never make any mistakes we would definitely have at the very least 5 more points, and I think we can all agree on that (except for Nyall and wera who says we are shit so it doesn’t matter if the refs fuck us over match after match).

If we deserve it based on our play? Well lately the answer is probably more close to no, but just because we don’t play very well doesn’t mean the refs should fuck us over. As a supporter it’s normal to be angry when a ref misjudges your team. However if it’s just one game you should probably calm down because during a whole season things tends to even out. But for us it has now been in game after game for almost the whole first half of the season. Obviously it’s time to be concerned and I think it’s good that players and management question the referees. (And for the record, our management doesn’t even cry half as much (far from it) as Galliani sometimes does, like at the time when Muntari’s goal was disallowed. In fact, come to think of it, I think our management should put more pressure on the referees. Thohir is even saying Italy has the best referees in the world ).


But then again, and here I agree with Nyall, does this mean:

• We can use this as an excuse for our bad display? No, we need to improve or we’ll even miss out on the so sought after Europa League qualification.

• We should start conspiracies about Calciopoli all over again? No.

• 
  Mazzarri can use this as an excuse for our position in the league? No, we should be a top team and top teams should win even with a call against you.

• We should flame the refs for page after page? No, and to be fair, against Chievo, yes Yuto was 1 meter onside but he was running in full speed into offside position while the last Chievo defender was running in the opposite direction. Less than half a second after Jonathan(?) passed the ball Naga was probably one meter offside instead, which makes it hard for the linesman to get it right. And although it probably was penalty for Botta, it was hardly very much contact, and you don’t really expect any ref to blow for that kind of situation (especially not in the 94th minute), except if it’s Balotelli.

Nevertheless, to sum it up, refs have been shit but so have we – both we and the refs need to improve Don’t try to make it a war between those who are angry at the referees and those who are angry because we play shit, you are both right.

 

[Wings]

I'm not saying that the refs have been completely fair, I'm just saying that over the long run, other teams also get unfair decisions (except Juve, seemingly). So sure, we might deserve to have 5 more points, but that will probably be true of a lot of other teams too. So at the end of the day these refereeing errors don't mean much.

 

[Karamja]

I'm not saying that the refs have been completely fair, I'm just saying that over the long run, other teams also get unfair decisions (except Juve, seemingly).

I agree with you, mostly this is the case and I said exactly that in my post. But are you really saying we haven't got way more decisions against us than other teams this season? Over how long run? It's been half a season and we've had referees call decisive decisions against us in so many games. Are we gonna sit here and say it's all okay because we've played shit? Today Alvarez said "We only ask that things are whistled correctly" when asked to comment about the refereeing. Is he wrong to say that? Aren't we allowed to put some pressure on referees so that next time we should have a penalty, we actually get it... I'm not saying we are "targeted", that the referees does it to us on purpose or that Juve is behind all this or any other shit. I'm just saying it's right to question them because we want good and fair refereeing, not bad which very much has been the case for us lately.

So sure, we might deserve to have 5 more points, but that will probably be true of a lot of other teams too.

I didn't say we deserved them and based on our play I even said we probably didn't deserve them. Anyways, I don't think that is true to other teams as no other team have missed out on so many decisive decisions as we have. Deserved them based on our play or not, we should of had plenty of penalties in the league this season. And how many did we get? None.

So at the end of the day these refereeing errors don't mean much.

Yeah sure, I do agree, believe me. Especially in a league campaign an error here and there to a team here and there tend to even out after 38 games. But we are halfways through now and we have clearly been very unlucky with the referees. I'm just surprised to see people actually arguing against this on an Inter forum. I mean sure we have missed out on way more points thanks to not playing good enough which is much more important, but does that mean you guys don't care if we miss out on every single penalty we should have for the next half of the season too?

 

[Wings]

But are you really saying we haven't got way more decisions against us than other teams this season? Over how long run? It's been half a season and we've had referees call decisive decisions against us in so many games. Are we gonna sit here and say it's all okay because we've played shit? Today Alvarez said "We only ask that things are whistled correctly" when asked to comment about the refereeing. Is he wrong to say that? Aren't we allowed to put some pressure on referees so that next time we should have a penalty, we actually get it... I'm not saying we are "targeted", that the referees does it to us on purpose or that Juve is behind all this or any other shit. I'm just saying it's right to question them because we want good and fair refereeing, not bad which very much has been the case for us lately.

The standard of refereeing has been pretty poor, I agree. I'm just saying that to all the people who are saying we are getting fucked over the most (basically the bold in the quote above), you can't say that for sure unless you've watched pretty much every Serie A game. (where are you pencilpal?)

If we were getting shitty decisions and our league position was much lower than I think we deserved (like say 10th), then I might think we are getting more unfair decisions than others. But we are still 5th, and that tells me that the bad calls are more spread out in the league than some here might like to think.

I didn't say we deserved them and based on our play I even said we probably didn't deserve them. Anyways, I don't think that is true to other teams as no other team have missed out on so many decisive decisions as we have. Deserved them based on our play or not, we should of had plenty of penalties in the league this season. And how many did we get? None.

I meant deserved as based on fair play, not on the quality of our play. And Shaun explained in another post why our style of play isn't leading to many penalties.

And can you say no other team has missed out on so many decisive decisions as we have if you haven't seen them play? I don't know the answer to that. I suspect some referees might be biased against us because many Italians hate us. But enough to make us by far the biggest victim? I doubt it.

 

[Armes]

Are we gonna sit here and say it's all okay because we've played shit? Today Alvarez said "We only ask that things are whistled correctly" when asked to comment about the refereeing. Is he wrong to say that? Aren't we allowed to put some pressure on referees so that next time we should have a penalty, we actually get it... I'm not saying we are "targeted", that the referees does it to us on purpose or that Juve is behind all this or any other shit. I'm just saying it's right to question them because we want good and fair refereeing, not bad which very much has been the case for us lately.

According to the post of the year of FIF, yes. You sit there and you better fucking say it's okay. You should shut the fuck up, because you're playing like "shit". So even if the refs have a threesome on you, you just shut the fuck up, because you're not good enough to even mention, let alone complain about bad ref calls.

I didn't say we deserved them and based on our play I even said we probably didn't deserve them. Anyways, I don't think that is true to other teams as no other team have missed out on so many decisive decisions as we have. Deserved them based on our play or not, we should of had plenty of penalties in the league this season. And how many did we get? None.

Again... it doesn't fucking matter, because omg you hypocrite... you're playing like shit. You shouldn't even whisper such things.

Yeah sure, I do agree, believe me. Especially in a league campaign an error here and there to a team here and there tend to even out after 38 games. But we are halfways through now and we have clearly been very unlucky with the referees. I'm just surprised to see people actually arguing against this on an Inter forum. I mean sure we have missed out on way more points thanks to not playing good enough which is much more important, but does that mean you guys don't care if we miss out on every single penalty we should have for the next half of the season too?

Hey hypocrite, enough with this bullshit. We play like shit, so shut your mouth and gimme some thanks before I raid your ass with youtube videos.

 

[Karamja]

The standard of refereeing has been pretty poor, I agree. I'm just saying that to all the people who are saying we are getting fucked over the most (basically the bold in the quote above), you can't say that for sure unless you've watched pretty much every Serie A game. (where are you pencilpal?)

We should of had plenty of penalties but were given none. If that's not enough for saying "the refs have fucked us over" or saying it's been worse than just "pretty poor" then ok. But let's go back to your original question for a moment.

Honest question to everyone saying referees are fucking us over: given how we are playing, do you think we should be higher than 5th?

With my first reply I just wanted to answer and make the point that the referees have fucked us over (or just been pretty poor in your case then...), but given how we have been playing we still shouldn't be higher than 5th.

If we were getting shitty decisions and our league position was much lower than I think we deserved (like say 10th), then I might think we are getting more unfair decisions than others. But we are still 5th, and that tells me that the bad calls are more spread out in the league than some here might like to think.

C'mon we haven't played that bad. I mean it's far from Inter standard but we find Genoa on 10th place. Looking at the whole season and remembering our good start don't tell me we have played as bad as Genoa standard. Being 5th with as many points as Hellas on 6th is bad enough, especially with Milan nowhere to been seen in the top.

I meant deserved as based on fair play, not on the quality of our play. And Shaun explained in another post why our style of play isn't leading to many penalties.

I'm sure Shaun made tons of brilliant points on why our play leads to no penalties. That's a different discussion though and nevertheless, fact still remains, whether our play leads to it or not; we have missed out on plenty of penalties this season.

And can you say no other team has missed out on so many decisive decisions as we have if you haven't seen them play? I don't know the answer to that.

Well how about we use some common sense? Being denied every single penalty is no biggie or what? I mean it's no problem if that trend happened to continue throughout the whole season, right? This is all normal and happens to every team. We play like shit so who cares if we miss out on a penalty or two... or ten.


Finally, it may look like I'm super worried or upset on the refs so I just want to it make clear that I think the way we play is way more worrying, and the fact that we didn't get a single shot on goal in the second half against Chievo is just terrible. However, us playing bad has nothing to do with not getting penalties when we are supposed to, which was what your first question was implying.

Honest question to everyone saying referees are fucking us over: given how we are playing, do you think we should be higher than 5th?

I'm not saying we are playing good, far from it, I'm not saying we "should" be higher than shared 5th place, but despite that I still think the bad luck we've had with the referees' decisions has been out of the ordinary. Fair enough?

 

[Nyall]

Funny how this ignored my reply to him yet implicitly still refers to me... Such cowardice. I guess he must be French Canadian. Man the fuck up.

 

[Fapuccino]

I love how some people get heated up over internet forums.

 

[I4E]

According to the post of the year of FIF, yes. You sit there and you better fucking say it's okay. You should shut the fuck up, because you're playing like "shit". So even if the refs have a threesome on you, you just shut the fuck up, because you're not good enough to even mention, let alone complain about bad ref calls.





Again... it doesn't fucking matter, because omg you hypocrite... you're playing like shit. You shouldn't even whisper such things.





Hey hypocrite, enough with this bullshit. We play like shit, so shut your mouth and gimme some thanks before I raid your ass with youtube videos.

Calm down Armes.

 

[francesco]

Funny how this ignored my reply to him yet implicitly still refers to me... Such cowardice. I guess he must be French Canadian. Man the fuck up.

from quebec? no wonder he ignored you
tu dois parler francais avec lui :troll:

 

[Y&h]

I don't think anyone is being serious about this nor they are adopting it as a valid or any kind of argument except the guys who are replying to it. Some of the posts are merely post match outbursts so you can't treat them as reasonable. The same outburst that is making people pessimistic to the limit of losing sanity by saying our CL win was referee influenced. Different reactions, simple as that.

We are however saying that there has been an intentional media coverage in Italy that is insinuating for years that Inter had a dubious role in Calciopoli and was never punished. Hence why La Gazzeta once said, after a run of wrongful calls, that Inter is repaying for those years. This assessment by La Gazzeta wasn't based on facts or evidence but more so an observation of a possible outcome to that media campaign back then.

 

[Devious]

No worries guys. Usually when Nyal provoke someone here they end up showing each others dicks on pms then they become best friends.

 

[Nyall]

No worries guys. Usually when Nyal provoke someone here they end up showing each others dicks on pms then they become best friends.

I now see you're true intention Devy.

 

[Armes]

Funny how this ignored my reply to him yet implicitly still refers to me... Such cowardice. I guess he must be French Canadian. Man the fuck up.

Hey Nyall, like yourself, I'm in Toronto, just let me know the place and I'll gladly show you some real cowardice. That way you can tell me to man the fuck up face to face.

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Calm down Armes.

Noted. Got the infractions & I'm leaving it at that.
I won't reply to this thread anymore.

 

[Karamja]

Nyall, that Barcelona video you posted though… really, it’s kinda pathetic. I know you just did a quick search and all but do you think there might be a reason why both ratings and comments have been disabled on that video? lol. I’m just wondering, did you post that video solely to show that we also got decisions in our favor or do you seriously think we won 2010 Champions League with the help of referees?

And all this time I thought it was thanks to your thread making skills.





blivious:

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Also Nyall, I understand you have made the point that we should put our concern on our play instead of referees, and I agree, that’s much more important because we have lost way more points thanks to that than on referees (and also it doesn’t really help to flame the referees and make excuses). However, I still think, considering that our bad luck with referees really has been out of the ordinary, we should at least be able to, without making it an excuse to our bad play and without putting any primary focus on it, address the fact to FIGC or whatever that we are disappointed with the referees and we would like to see future decisive calls to be whistled correctly.

Do you agree on this or do you think our situation with referees this season has been all normal? And if we happened to go through also the second half of the season missing out on every single penalty that’s also no reason to bat an eye?


And btw, you should totally meet up with Armes. Despite different opinions I’m sure you two will be a great match

Don’t forget to take some pictures and post in Forza Inter picture album I’m sure Devious will end up right

 

[Nyall]

LOOOOOOOL I just got threatened on an Internet forum.

 

[Fapuccino]

Those refs really helped us out in CL. milito's offside goal was of course what got us through, unlike pique's offside goal. or milito's onside one on one with valdes that was disallowed during the first tie. clear one sided favoritism towards us.

Does anyone realize we still have 0 penalties this season along with Chievo?

But hey that's ok. Rube is playing better than us, so that justifies being denied 2 penalties and 1 onside goal within the space of 3 games, because mazzari is a whiny cunt.