Inter - Napoli (26 Dec 18) [1-0]

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I'm more interested what will be the punishment for those involved in racial abuse. Is there a life-time ban in Serie A? Can Inter on there own ban someone from attenting their home games?

What I'd like to read is "200 peeople banned from attending Serie A games for 20 years" but nooooo let's close the stadium for everyone.

Those who partake in racist chants are nothing more than a human garbage, and they should end up in a waste container.

There are stadium bans in Italy. They are handed by authorities and as far as I know, normally include this requirement of having to register to police station when there are matches going on (so one can't slip to the stadium anyway).

Dunno would the clubs do it. Guess it would be easy in that way that these people are not let in when going to the stadium. Though not sure do you need to have IDs with you and how the gate control works.
 

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Hope our club gets more strict and decisive about dealing with this sort of behavior from our fans. We have to take care of these matters in house in addition to the punishments being handed down from FIGC. We can't stand for racism in any form as a fanbase, as it's indecent and denigrates the integrity of the sport. I understand there will always be some dickheads present at the stadium, but we have to take it upon ourselves to deal with them as it won't work itself out unfortunately.

Forza Inter. Forza Koulibaly
 

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There are stadium bans in Italy. They are handed by authorities and as far as I know, normally include this requirement of having to register to police station when there are matches going on (so one can't slip to the stadium anyway).

Dunno would the clubs do it. Guess it would be easy in that way that these people are not let in when going to the stadium. Though not sure do you need to have IDs with you and how the gate control works.

They do ID Check and make sure the name on the ticket is the same but this will not prevent those banned people from entering if they can get a ticket on their hands. The banned people should not be able to purchase a ticket.
 

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It happened because Napoli fans killer an Inter fan before the game.

The Curva Nord sung more anti-Napoli chants than their whole life combined. Koulibaly just took some of that vent as he was an 'easy' target.

Lol you're so thick. Way to justify why koulibaly was racially abused. "Koulibaly just took some of the vent". Your also hilariously ignorant. "NAPOLI FANS KILLED INTER FAN" so read carefully and educate yourself before spreading lies and hatred

According to prosecutor statement in a press conference "About 100 inter ultras attacked Napoli fans busses, they attacked with metal rods and bars and that resulted in a stampede and an inter fan was hit as a result of that" . How does that translate to "oh Napoli fans killed inter fan and that's the reason why koulibaly got racially abused because the ultras we JUST venting"
I have no love for Napoli scum, I prefer inter to be our rivals, or Roma or Milan. But people like you are as scum as Napoli trying to create hatred with a uneducated statement.
 

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Yeah it's not like Napoli fans where the culprits here. It's quite opposite, these far-right groups (Inter, Varese and Nice) were there to ambush the Napoli fans. They made all that shit happen. And it was actually the Varese fan which died, not Inter fan. Capo of this group named Blood Honor (or Blood & Honor?)
 

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Racism is always a hot garbage to discuss.

Everyone in this world is racist, just in different levels. Everyone does stereotyping people based on gender and race. This is always an easy insult to annoy others. Even in this forum we've seen many comments stereotyping races. It's not right but it's a selective nature of a human being.

I do not support this and I hate it as I am a victim of racism throughout my life living in 6 different countries.

However, I do not think closing the door for other inter fans or fines for the club is the right answer. It doesn't affect anything to the culprit. Even if they get banned from stadium, I'm sure they could find their way back into the stadium.

I would propose an idea where fans chanting racist slur, the team will have to concede 1 goal. These people have to be made responsible of their actions and seeing their team lost because of their action will shut them up for 90 minutes.
 

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Sorry for a noob question. Why did it happen to Napoli players mostly? There are so many black players in other teams. Why didn’t it happen in Inter vs Juventus? Is it because of Northern cities versus Southern?

rather than North vs South, i'd say it's specifically a strong aversion towards the city of naples and neapolitans. i live far south of naples and i never experienced "territorial discrimination", as they now call it.

there used to be discrimination towards people from southern italy, but nowadays it's rare. it's just specifically a thing with neapolitans, not just by some "supporters" of Inter by the way but also of many other teams.

neapolitans are often regarded as people who disrespect the law and love to play the victim. and napoli supporters are considered to be among the most undisciplined.

i want to point out that in no way i justify or condone certain behaviours, but if i have to answer to your question: "Why did it happen to Napoli players mostly?", then that's why.
 

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Erm, I'm pretty sure you won't witness such recurring episodes in the EPL. There is obviously a way if there's a will..

Not true. You see that shit all the times, if you know where to look. But the "problem" they face is that the clubs participating have an irrelevant hooligan scene, so these events are more minor nowadays as big firms don't meet very often and away fans are driven away from stadiums. You see regional and local rivalries explode though.

Arsenal is pretty much a non-factor and clubs like Fulham do nothing.

Crystal Palace is a very dangerous area to be in, even in CCTV London (it's not that city anymore with all the budget cuts) you were highly likely to be robbed, carjacked or ambushed. Now imagine being part of a football fanbase against a self proclaimed notorious group that Crystal Palace pretends to be. Even an unaware pedestrian is at risk.

I've personally witnessed 3 West Ham vs Chelsea clashes, all at random, and I hear that it gets bloody when Tottenham is involved with either two.

It just doesn't get out that much because there aren't any deaths usually. People end up in hospital a lot. And the media always finds a way to be silent about it as it doesn't happen in the stadium.

Do you even know how far from the stadium last night's clashes were? In England, no one would have reported a similar incident if it was that far from the stadium if it stopped at the stabbings without a life being taken.

So diverting the "action" away from the stadiums gives a blissful ignorance to some fans, but it doesn't rid of a (societal) problem. Just rest assured that you will hear about these if they happen anywhere in Italy.

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The numbers in Italy probably are significantly higher, but that is because there are far more intense rivalries and it also doesn't disprove the fact that there are a lot of people banned from English stadiums for hooliganism, considering the reputation of "safety" and "non-violence". Those numbers should read closer to 0 than the 1000s, no?
 
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Yeah it's not like Napoli fans where the culprits here. It's quite opposite, these far-right groups (Inter, Varese and Nice) were there to ambush the Napoli fans. They made all that shit happen. And it was actually the Varese fan which died, not Inter fan. Capo of this group named Blood Honor (or Blood & Honor?)

Woot, really? That is amazing. Respect for Napoli fans; going up.

Each time I hear about them I'm always impressed. Then we have our retards from our curva whom are nothing short of a disgrace. See this is why this club is so hard to like for a neutral, the fans and the football have been a joke for eons now.
 

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You've never had racist remarks thrown at you have you? It's not something you just shrug off. Especially when it's consistently happening every fucking game.

I haven't but that's because I don't consider 'racist' remarks or insults actual racism, like I don't see how people even distinguish between racial insults and just regular insults, are insults racist when you're compared with animals?


I mean, is it really that complicated to just identify the racists and ban them from the stadium forever? Why should we mix what these idiots do with the rest? Just pinpoint them with the cameras and make them watch the match from home

Exactly. With the amount of HD cameras in the stadium, surely it should be possible to spot the racists making the monkey sounds? And print their faces in the papers the next day.

It's just bewildering how retarded can people be that they can't see how this totalitarian shit can be so easily turned against them.


Sorry for a noob question. Why did it happen to Napoli players mostly? There are so many black players in other teams. Why didn’t it happen in Inter vs Juventus? Is it because of Northern cities versus Southern?

It's because Koulibaly is really fucking good, maybe Napoli's best player and best CB in the world IMO.

It really pays off to take him out of his game.


I don't want to state the obvious and repeat the points made by others as how bad booing is, etc.-this was already covered by previous posters numerous times.

What I wanted to cover is Sala's (Milano mayor) proposal to give captain's armband to Asamoah for next match. The interracial and multicultural relationship topic is extremely delicate, as is the subject of immigrants and refugees. I've never lived in Europe so can't experience the day-to-day issues of cohabitation of different people with different culture,language, historical background, etc.etc.hence I can't judge anyone. Personally I've been raised in multicultural bilingual community and haven't ever experienced any racial tensions in my country, actually the first time I've ever seen people treated differently because of their race or skin colour was in US.

So, the proposal to give Asamoah's armband because of how Koulibaly was treated really stinks, for me it shows that Sala is a covert racist himself. What's the point of doing that? "Black Economic Empowerment","Affirmative action, like in post-apartheid South Africa? We want to promote a society where everyone is treated equally regardless of their age, sex, race,etc. and yet after a player with black skin was booed we want to give captain's armband to another black player? Thus effectively proving that skin colour matters and is a way of how people distinguish from each other?

I also can understand why BEE was established in South Africa and that's a benevolent deed in a nutshell, cause it was established to help redress all the inequalities of previous political regime. I don't want to cover cases when social background actually became the most important factor instead of qualification and experience now.(hence cases when people with white skin were disavantaged when considered by a potential employer). The thing is, the idea was to mitigate all the inequalities of the past.

But Asamoah's case is different. He became a player of a top clubs like Juve and Inter purely because of his skills, his tenacity. He wasn't negatively discriminated because he was black and so worse midfielders played instead of him, nor he was positively discriminated, as if he had shit skills but was bought by Juve because they had to have specified number of African descendants in their squad. He made successfull career because he is a good player, simple as that,regardless of skin, white,yellow, black, or gray-brown-crimson. And now covert racist Sala wants to give armband to him because he is African and black hence we need to please him. No, we need to have a society of equal opportunities and treatment. Giving armband to person because he is black is not acceptable way to treat this problem. In my opinion this is a huge insult of Asamoah.

Sala probably proposed that with emotions and he isn't a racist himself but his subsonciousness is clearly racist, he just can't acknowledge that.

Re what forzainter said, I was always amused how foreigners most of the time treat a person with epicanthic fold as a Chinese. In Turkey people think I am Chinese, even in Russia some people think so too, whereas I can (9 out of 10 cases) distinguish Kazakh, Uzbek or other Central Asian person from Chinese one. In Italy I was greeted with "Ni hao" almost everywhere,same in Spain or France.

All those initiatives are retarded and solve nothing, in fact they can end horribly like it's actually happening in South Africa and it's probably gonna be a lot worst.

And it's pretty well-known that most people have a harder time distinguishing people outside their race or related races, it's probably an evolutionary trait: it pays off to distinguish people inside your tribe while it doesn't matter for foreigners or even it's better that you seem them as a monolithic other since they were usually a threat to you and your tribe.


My personal take on racism is that Italians aren't racist per se, but are driven into racism by politicians who see it at their advantage: if Italians are angry at the strangers, or even black italians, then they won't be angry at the politicians who rob us every day. So racists are twice stupid: because they are racist and because they are so easily manipulated.

I actually think most people are actually innately racist, if you visit countries where political correctness isn't a thing you realize pretty quickly that it is pretty universal. And political correctness doesn't even eliminates racism it just hides it, in-group preference is just a very strong human trait.

What I find fascinating is the people that are very clearly racist that really think they aren't.
 

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Woot, really? That is amazing. Respect for Napoli fans; going up.

Each time I hear about them I'm always impressed. Then we have our retards from our curva whom are nothing short of a disgrace. See this is why this club is so hard to like for a neutral, the fans and the football have been a joke for eons now.

Someone seems very happy that a person died....
 

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See this is why this club is so hard to like for a neutral, the fans and the football have been a joke for eons now.
You over-reacting little bit with this statement. Racism is not only an Inter thing.
 

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Let's not forget it is actually a very small minority of people who support the club. And this stuff doesn't just happen with us. Just to mention a fairly recent episode, last february during the Turin derby, inside the stadium, a Torino and a juventus supporters were fighting and one of them fell off from the balustrade and it was merely a matter of luck that he didn't die.

Yesterday, a guy was ran over. It happened as a consequence of the clashes, but it wasn't intentional.

So sometimes fate makes the difference.

Which doesn't justify anything of course but it's the reason because today we are talking about this accident and not another one happened elsewhere
 

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Lol you're so thick. Way to justify why koulibaly was racially abused. "Koulibaly just took some of the vent". Your also hilariously ignorant. "NAPOLI FANS KILLED INTER FAN" so read carefully and educate yourself before spreading lies and hatred.

How many Serie A games have you actually been to? I’m guessing the answer is zero.

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neapolitans are often regarded as people who disrespect the law and love to play the victim. and napoli supporters are considered to be among the most undisciplined.

It’s a bit more intense but not totally dissimilar to the City of Liverpool and Liverpool F.C. in an English context.
 

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This is kind of evidence, there was someone mimicking monkey voice from this tribune.
1:42 - the person is right next to the vlogger.
1:45 - 1:46 it seems the dude is the one that wearing a white jacket and grey beanie in the left.
[YOUTUBE]ZZCgqYWojUQ[/YOUTUBE]

I repeat almost 50 times and i'm sure the dude is the one that wearing a white jacket and grey beanie.
Just fucking kill that guy.
 

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Inter, together with lazio and hellas verona are known for their far right supporters.... I never understood why Inter (internazionale) attracted the far right, racist groups.
 

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Inter, together with lazio and hellas verona are known for their far right supporters.... I never understood why Inter (internazionale) attracted the far right, racist groups.

The far left fractions aren't any better. Extremists on both sides are morons.
 

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Pathetic isn't even the word for everything that has happened. Clashing in the streets causing injuries and death, chanting racial abuse at a man who has done absolutely nothing to these people. I've always been sickened and honestly confused to see Inter "supporters" shouting racial abuse at a player considering what this club is supposed to stand for.

Hooliganism is clearly as bad as ever in this sport and I don't even know how they go about tackling it because the current punishments just don't work. Close the stadium for 2 games, they'll be back in three games. Points deduction, they don't care, they're interested in causing shit, results don't bother them. Ban the cunts and other scumbags will take their place.

It's not football anymore and what should have been a great result for our season is just a black spot in our history. It's not football anymore.
 

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This is kind of evidence, there was someone mimicking monkey voice from this tribune.
1:42 - the person is right next to the vlogger.
1:45 - 1:46 it seems the dude is the one that wearing a white jacket and grey beanie in the left.
[YOUTUBE]ZZCgqYWojUQ[/YOUTUBE]

I repeat almost 50 times and i'm sure the dude is the one that wearing a white jacket and grey beanie.
Just fucking kill that guy.

dont know but looks like the vlogger was making the same noise at 1:43, or not?

edit: no seems like he said "fanculo" (that translated is like "fuck"). But before fanculo he also said "pezzo di merda" (piece of shit). But im not 100% sure, it was really too loud in the stadium.

at 1:20 anyway you can see that a lot of people are making this noise, not only the guy with the white jacket.
 

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Racism is bad and all this and that but losing 3-4 millions potential revenues because a minority of assholes shouted racial crap at a player?

Remind me if I'm wrong, juBe fans did the same awhile ago and jube were only fined 10k euros and case was closed, so what the actual fuck?

Well why don't we hire some mercenaries to attend our rival's games and shout racist crap at the black players of their opponents? I mean nobody is gona stop them thinking they are truthful fans, this should be interesting to force the FIGC giving them similar punishments and lose millions just because of few fucken assholes that there is no evidence that they're true fans. What makes you sure that nobody would do it? I'm not saying that this happened but obviously if the punishments for such actions are so severe and causes heavy casualties to the financial health if the club so it might be used as a tool to fuck things up, The mafia have got a curva leader ""commit suicide"" to hide evidence of black market ticket sales scandal, so in comparison this is a piece of cake.

All I'm saying that this is not a solution, it's also unfair for the club of respectful figures, players, managers and millions of fans who are not part of this mockery, I think this should trigger more incidents in the future as well because believe it or not, these sort of racist assholes do not give a damn about the club or the true fans or about losing money, these are scum bags with fucken issues who have no consideration for jackshit.
 
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