Italian Serie A 2015/2016

[thatdude]

fabrizio castori sacked by carpi... ridiculous decision. sack the guy who knows the squad best and won serie b last year b/c of bad early results in the first month of the season. genius reasoning. i mean, didn't they draw against napoli and barely lost against us?

unless the replacement pulls off something remarkable and they're insanely lucky, i'd say that carpi have taken a dump on any chance they had of staying up. judging the relegation race in September is beyond stupid. sassuolo did the same stupid thing with di Francesco when they were at the bottom of the table in january two years ago.

I agree that was a dumb panicky move by Carpi. Let's be honest they were always favorites to go down anyways they don't even have a stadium that meets Serie a requirements, they're one of the smallest clubs to ever play in this league. Now what will happen is they'll probably bring in a Serie A "proven" coach, who's really just a journeymen. He will play all the oldest players in the squad and try to park the bus against 90% of the teams in the league. They will have slight uptick in form and crash after the honeymoon period.

But wait Di Francesco was sacked and brought back? Why don't I remember this?

 

[JJM]

They did come second in the Trofeo Tim...

well fuckokerface:

 

[bandiera]

I agree that was a dumb panicky move by Carpi. Let's be honest they were always favorites to go down anyways they don't even have a stadium that meets Serie a requirements, they're one of the smallest clubs to ever play in this league. Now was will happen is they'll probably bring in a Serie A "proven" coach, who's really just a journeymen. He will play all the oldest players in the squad and try to park the bus against 90% of the teams in the league. They will have slight uptick in form and crash after the honeymoon period.

But wait Di Francesco was sacked and brought back? Why don't I remember this?

Disagree that Carpi were favorites to go down. its wrong to judge them because of things like their reputation, stadium, after all they won serie b. all the teams that have won Serie B over the past few years have easily been good enough to stay safe. Palermo with Dybala and Vazquez, Sassuolo, Zeman's Pescara, Atalanta...

 

[thatdude]

For me all those teams have more resources than little Carpi. Especially Palermo and Atalanta who are regularly in Serie A these days. Sassuolo also has a pretty good owner who at least is willing to dump some club into the money through shirt sponsorship deals.

 

[Shaun]

Sassuolo is a very well run club. They even own their stadium.


I definitely think Carpi were favourites to go down. Especially given the amount of money spent by Bologna to stay up (although they look terrible thus far). Carpi and Frosinone are definitely the weakest teams on paper in the league.

 

[bandiera]

empoli, frosinone, and bologna were my personal favourites for relegation before castori's dismissal. i dont see how any of those teams and udinese for that matter looked better than carpi. empoli have a squad adapted to sarri's tactics and have looked really bad so far, frosinone are the worst team in the league, and bologna are a total mess.

 

[Shaun]

I agree that Frosinone are easily the worst team in the league. Bologna on paper are pretty decent side, but on the park they've been awful thus far. If anyone should have chanced coach it should have been them, I think they will eventually and the replacement will decide their fate. On the other hand I feel Empoli's fate is pretty much in the hands of Soponara and Tonelli who are both quality players capable of keeping them in Serie A. Carpi don't have any players on the level of those two and I believe their chances of survival was dependent more on team unity more than anything, and now they've changed coach I think things are looking bleak.

Udinese will stay up. They always do. I think they'll also get buoyed by their stadium once completed. Not to mention that they have something all the other relegation contenders don't have - a quality striker (Zapata)

 

[thatdude]

I'm not convinced by Udinese. We shall see but I have that feeling they might get the drop this year.

Speaking of Udinese where is the talent? Where are the new Asamoah's, Sanchez's, Cuadrado's, etc. Pozzo's too busy making sure they secure that EPL pay day?

 

[Vincenzi]

This might be an unpopular opinion, but I feel like the failings of some of the bigger teams has less to do with their recession and more to do with the lower table clubs' resurgence. I'm not saying that juve, Napoli and Roma aren't playing worse than last year, but nonetheless I feel some credit should be given to some of the well performing mid table clubs like Sassuolo, Torino, Chievo, and even Atalanta. All of them have been playing pretty well against stronger opposition, and I don't relish playing them in the future. The top teams might all seem weaker, but their failings can't entirely be pinned on their ineptitude; I wanna give a little credit to the little guys

Except Milan, they suck straight up because their team is garbage tier.

 

[AvantiRagazzi]

Who do people view as the scudetto favourites right now? No team is really standing out.

 

[Shaun]

The best two sides in Italy are Roma and Juventus, and Fiorentina are currently the most in-form team. The fact that Roma and Juve haven't accumulated more points is weird, and largely down to bad luck. Especially Juventus. I think if you look at the usual key stats:

Shots attempted per game - Shots conceded per game

Possession percentage:

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I think this shows that Fiorentina are very solid. It also shows that Juventus hasn't been nearly as bad as their points total suggests. They've just not finished their chances. I think it also shows that we're going to battling pretty hard with Napoli and Fioretina for that third spot in all likelyhood.

 

[thatdude]

I'm not sure if Roma will climb the table. I just see too much mental fragility under Garcia. I wouldn't be surprised to see them finish outside the top 3 if he stays the whole year.

 

[AvantiRagazzi]

The best two sides in Italy are Roma and Juventus, and Fiorentina are currently the most in-form team. The fact that Roma and Juve haven't accumulated more points is weird, and largely down to bad luck. Especially Juventus. I think if you look at the usual key stats:

Shots attempted per game - Shots conceded per game

Possession percentage:

[​

I think this shows that Fiorentina are very solid. It also shows that Juventus hasn't been nearly as bad as their points total suggests. They've just not finished their chances. I think it also shows that we're going to battling pretty hard with Napoli and Fioretina for that third spot in all likelyhood.

Looking at the same stats from last season indicates that they give a pretty bad prediction of how *good* a team is.

Possession 14/15:
1. Inter
2. Roma
3. Fiorentina
4. Juve
...

Shots conceded per game:
1. Lazio
2. Napoli
3. Roma
4. Juventus
5. Inter


Shots per game:
1. Juventus
2. Lazio
3. Inter
4. Roma
5. Fiorentina


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Looking at those stats you'd never think Inter finished 8th.

 

[Ronin]

Are those just shots or shots on goal?

 

[TheNetworkZ]

I'm not sure if Roma will climb the table. I just see too much mental fragility under Garcia. I wouldn't be surprised to see them finish outside the top 3 if he stays the whole year.

Garca will get sacked this season probably. If I were Roma I would be after Ancelotti.

 

[Shaun]

Looking at the same stats from last season indicates that they give a pretty bad prediction of how *good* a team is.

Possession 14/15:
1. Inter
2. Roma
3. Fiorentina
4. Juve
...

Shots conceded per game:
1. Lazio
2. Napoli
3. Roma
4. Juventus
5. Inter


Shots per game:
1. Juventus
2. Lazio
3. Inter
4. Roma
5. Fiorentina


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Looking at those stats you'd never think Inter finished 8th.

I was using stats as a rough indication of who the best teams are. Obviously you could break it down further with shots from inside/outside the box, and clearly there are always teams which perform or don't despite what the stats stay.

 

[ADRossi]

Sassuolo is a very well run club. They even own their stadium.

Sassuolo are everything that is right about Italian football, minus their dick of a president/owner. We need more clubs to adapt their model. I don't want to give Sassuolo too much credit though. Their owner bought the stadium when no one else wanted it (the club was essentially a dumpster fire) and thus no on cared. Inter or Lazio could never do that because there's an actual value for our stadiums. Also, isn't their owner putting 20 million a year into the club just through shirt sponsorship? As great as that is, it's probably unrealistic for Italian teams.

I'm not convinced by Udinese. We shall see but I have that feeling they might get the drop this year.

Speaking of Udinese where is the talent? Where are the new Asamoah's, Sanchez's, Cuadrado's, etc. Pozzo's too busy making sure they secure that EPL pay day?

I view Udinese as one of the three worst teams in Serie A. Not necessarily on paper, but watching them play is painful. There are NO redeeming qualities about them.

The best two sides in Italy are Roma and Juventus, and Fiorentina are currently the most in-form team. The fact that Roma and Juve haven't accumulated more points is weird, and largely down to bad luck. Especially Juventus. I think if you look at the usual key stats:

I think this shows that Fiorentina are very solid. It also shows that Juventus hasn't been nearly as bad as their points total suggests. They've just not finished their chances. I think it also shows that we're going to battling pretty hard with Napoli and Fioretina for that third spot in all likelyhood.

While I tend to agree with you that Juventus are not nearly as poor as their point total suggests, I'm not convinced we will witness a rapid improvement for Roma. Roma's attacking style and over-reliance on wing play seems to leave their defense more exposed than most in Serie A. Their defense is also not very good, and De Rossi is quickly becoming useless as a CDM.

I would say the two best teams in the league are Juventus and Napoli (despite their obvious defensive shortcomings). Fiorentina will in all likelihood not keep this up, and end up fighting for an EL spot.

 

[Universe]

I view Udinese as one of the three worst teams in Serie A. Not necessarily on paper, but watching them play is painful. There are NO redeeming qualities about them.

I imagine we're one of the remaining two.

 

[victor_inter]

Sassuolo's insane president(Bbilanista who hates Inter) said that we were just lucky to win those games and then Fiora came and trolled us, and that now Sassuolo will target the Scudo this season

Dint we decimate sassuolo like 7-0 last season lel.

 

[Wobblz]

Dint we decimate sassuolo like 7-0 last season lel.

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