Italian Serie A 2021/2022

[wera]

He can't even properly speak english

But yeah, Kane & Son are naturally a great combo. Especially Kane's passing and vision is top tier, while Son is always on the prowl. If only we had Kane & Son instead of Lautaro & Džeko, we'd be winning this year's scudetto for sure. Those two were meant to be at a bigger club than Tottenham, winning titles, but on the other hand, I love it when great players stay at one club for a long time and at least make them somewhat competitive. Same with Zaha in Crystal Palace or Di Natale in Udinese.

 

[brehme1989]

The entire regimes are completely different. The level of professionalism in Italy across all boards is only met by a handful of PL clubs. It's much easier being a PL player than it is being a Serie A player. They have less pressure, less work, less micromanagement and less face-to-face interaction with fans (of a more hostile nature).

The current generation of snowflakes loves the PL scene. Lots of them wouldn't be able to survive Serie A and it's a complete cultural shock for them. There's only a handful of PL clubs that are extremely professional and those are your current top 3 plus a couple more (Leicester and Leeds come to mind now).


The other thing that's very different is when these teams hit form.
Italians focus a lot in the early stages of the season and by February/March they're gassed, only to regain form at the latter stages of the season.
English clubs focus to be at their peak in the December-March period. This allows them to overcome R16 opposition more frequently, in terms of fitness at least.

Then there's Manchester City who doesn't even care since they can field 2 different lineups. But they're not a standard example of a PL side as much as people love to extrapolate them into one.

 

[thatdude]

As expected season will start very early next season. Weekend of 13/14 August

Serie A 2022-2023, definite le date: si inizia prima di Ferragosto, ultima giornata a giugno

Il Consiglio di Lega tenutosi ieri ha chiarito le date della prossima Serie A, che a novembre lascerà spazio al Mondiale

www.fcinter1908.it

Isn’t that like normal start time for premier league?

 

[brehme1989]

Isn’t that like normal start time for premier league?

Typically yes, but Serie A (and La Liga) have more midweek matches in the first half of the year. The PL only catches up after Christmas.

It's also a weather thing. Most summer games are very difficult, evening ones included.


Overall, 2022-23 will be a scheduling nightmare due to the World Cup.

 

[Glass box]

Inter just played their 2nd best team and lost, now if you wanna argue we aren't the best in our league at the moment in form, Milan comes to mind next, and you know what, they lost to the English 2nd best team too and twice (but back in December once and once earlier).

Atalanta got eliminated in the same group where Man United progressed with two games between them really close. Juventus finished 1st in the same group where Chelsea finished second but got battered badly in London, I'm not sure which criteria do we use here?

Napoli knocked out Leicester so fair play to them.

 

[Stefan]

Isn’t that like normal start time for premier league?

Yes but italy is usually last week of August. We still have to see the dates the EPL uses. Season is also 6 June compared to 22 may.

They haven't decided on the resumption after the wc.

 

[brehme1989]

Atalanta got eliminated in the same group where Man United progressed with two games between them really close.

Atalanta's B team

I'm not sure which criteria do we use here?

There's no such criteria. Focusing on random matchups between two leagues' teams isn't an argument.


Faroe beat Greece twice when Ranieri was coaching us, doesn't make them better, their players superior or their coaches better.

 

[Ethor]

West Coast Deadheads are better than East Coast Deadheads

 

[kurt0411]

The entire regimes are completely different. The level of professionalism in Italy across all boards is only met by a handful of PL clubs. It's much easier being a PL player than it is being a Serie A player. They have less pressure, less work, less micromanagement and less face-to-face interaction with fans (of a more hostile nature).

The current generation of snowflakes loves the PL scene. Lots of them wouldn't be able to survive Serie A and it's a complete cultural shock for them. There's only a handful of PL clubs that are extremely professional and those are your current top 3 plus a couple more (Leicester and Leeds come to mind now).


The other thing that's very different is when these teams hit form.
Italians focus a lot in the early stages of the season and by February/March they're gassed, only to regain form at the latter stages of the season.
English clubs focus to be at their peak in the December-March period. This allows them to overcome R16 opposition more frequently, in terms of fitness at least.

Then there's Manchester City who doesn't even care since they can field 2 different lineups. But they're not a standard example of a PL side as much as people love to extrapolate them into one.

Biggest load of shit I’ve read

 

[brehme1989]

Biggest load of shit I’ve read

In your line of work, pushing some buttons feels the same no matter what team you pick, so from your point of view it may look like crap.
In mine and the real world, it's as described in that post.

 

[kurt0411]

In your line of work, pushing some buttons feels the same no matter what team you pick, so from your point of view it may look like crap.
In mine and the real world, it's as described in that post.

Nah you’re absolutely spot on: English teams wouldn’t be able to survive Serie A. Forget about the fact that every English team won their European game and only 1 Italian team did including an English team beating the best Italian team at their own stadium without allowing them a shot on target. I guess it’s down to English teams peaking around this time like you said!!!

 

[wicked wizard]

Nah you’re absolutely spot on: English teams wouldn’t be able to survive Serie A. Forget about the fact that every English team won their European game and only 1 Italian team did including an English team beating the best Italian team at their own stadium without allowing them a shot on target. I guess it’s down to English teams peaking around this time like you said!!!

Sassuolo beat inter way more convincing than Liverpool at home, so I guess Sassuolo> Liverpool then? These arguments are stupid and only go one way. When England ,the national team, gets outplayed by every single good side since I can remember everybody still calls these players the best in the world.

 

[brehme1989]

Nah you’re absolutely spot on: English teams wouldn’t be able to survive Serie A. Forget about the fact that every English team won their European game and only 1 Italian team did including an English team beating the best Italian team at their own stadium without allowing them a shot on target. I guess it’s down to English teams peaking around this time like you said!!!

Read your post again and then read what you're trying to reply to.
I'll even help you out.

As for "not allowing" a shot on target, how naive can you be? Hakan's attempt was "off target" just because of a technicality, so now you're parading it as some sort of argument that we were outplayed despite being out of form against the most in form and experienced English team?


Concentrating on a result between two teams is the silliest thing you could do, but I wouldn't expect no less. It's not a measurement of quality, it's only a measurement of coming on top that particular night. It was not some 6-0 game that highlights a significant difference in quality where you'd expect that team to come on top 10/10 times.

 

[brehme1989]

I mean if you know your football it’s not really complicated to know which were the better leagues at the time:

1985-2006: Serie A
2007-2011: Premier League
2012-2017: La Liga
2018-Now: Premier League

Unless a Super League develops Premier League will easily dominate for the same amount of time Serie A did and much longer

That's a very big time span for Serie A. And you're completely inconsisetnt since you're basing this on European/CL success.

Italian football was struggling to get results in the early 2000s, which was the first attempt to create the current CL setup, though we had 2 group stages.

From 1999-2000, where the top leagues had 3 teams in the tournament (later 3+1), until 2005-6 which you've selected purely due to Calciopoli, we had the following # of participants in the quarters:
Spain 16
England 13
Italy 11
Germany 5
France 4
Portugal 3
Netherlands 2
Greece 1
Turkey 1

Results are a bit misleading here as early 2000s were poorer than mid-to-late 2000s for Serie A teams. Including post-Calciopoli years.
From 2000 to 2004: 5 (3 of which in a single season)
From 2005 to 2009: 9


Uefa Cup was the only other tournament during this time as the CwC had its last edition in 1998-1999.

Same concept, quarters participants from 1999-2000 to 2005-2006:
Spain 12
England 7
Italy 5
Netherlands 5
France 4
Germany 4
Portugal 4
Czechia 2
Romania 2
Russia 2
Scotland 2
Turkey 2
Austria 1
Bulgaria 1
Greece 1
Israel 1
Switzerland 1



So, did this matter back then or not?
Because what I see is Italy ranking 3rd in European Final 8 participation, which is typically the argument against Italian clubs these days.

 

[kurt0411]

That's a very big time span for Serie A. And you're completely inconsisetnt since you're basing this on European/CL success.

Italian football was struggling to get results in the early 2000s, which was the first attempt to create the current CL setup, though we had 2 group stages.

From 1999-2000, where the top leagues had 3 teams in the tournament (later 3+1), until 2005-6 which you've selected purely due to Calciopoli, we had the following # of participants in the quarters:
Spain 16
England 13
Italy 11
Germany 5
France 4
Portugal 3
Netherlands 2
Greece 1
Turkey 1

Results are a bit misleading here as early 2000s were poorer than mid-to-late 2000s for Serie A teams. Including post-Calciopoli years.
From 2000 to 2004: 5 (3 of which in a single season)
From 2005 to 2009: 9


Uefa Cup was the only other tournament during this time as the CwC had its last edition in 1998-1999.

Same concept, quarters participants from 1999-2000 to 2005-2006:
Spain 12
England 7
Italy 5
Netherlands 5
France 4
Germany 4
Portugal 4
Czechia 2
Romania 2
Russia 2
Scotland 2
Turkey 2
Austria 1
Bulgaria 1
Greece 1
Israel 1
Switzerland 1



So, did this matter back then or not?
Because what I see is Italy ranking 3rd in European Final 8 participation, which is typically the argument against Italian clubs these days.

I don’t give a shit about your numbers. I have a pair of eyes that I use to watch the matches and therefore can make my own judgement. You only used 1 criteria: teams placement in European competitions. I also factor the strength of the overall league and the players that played in the league at the the time

 

[brehme1989]

I don’t give a shit about your numbers. I have a pair of eyes that I use to watch the matches and therefore can make my own judgement. You only used 1 criteria: teams placement in European competitions. I also factor the strength of the overall league and the players that played in the league at the the time

They're not "my" numbers, they are the numbers. And I didn't' use any criteria, I didn't even say anything about "best leagues". I'm just trying to figure out how you came up with that.

As for your factoring, if you think that the PL had the best players in the late 2000s until 2011 I don't even know why I keep responding here.

They don't even have the best players now where the situation is actually pretty similar with the late 2000s (most of the money was with top heavy PL, Spanish/Italian giants were in crisis).

What exactly are your factors?

Because what you posted looks like a version of yourself expressing:
Period A: "What my parents told me"
Period B: "What propaganda instructed me to believe"
Period C: "What my rebel side grew to believe"
Period D: "What the last couple of CL/EL seasons are telling me to believe"

So should you want to back up how Italy had a 20 year period of being "the best" and how you came up with PL late 2000s and late 2010s, I guess this sentiment will be floating above your reasoning from people reading your post, whether they bother to reply or not.


P.S: If you think that Serie A wasn't better in the early 1980s than it was in the mid 80s I don't know what to say. Maybe your parents aren't old enough...

 

[Universe]

Biggest load of shit I’ve read

Keep it civil. Last warning.

 

[Candreva Crosses]

Sassuolo beat inter way more convincing than Liverpool at home, so I guess Sassuolo> Liverpool then? These arguments are stupid and only go one way. When England ,the national team, gets outplayed by every single good side since I can remember everybody still calls these players the best in the world.

How I love the anti-falcao

 

[interista4]

How I love the anti-falcao

Lol

 

[interista4]

Sassuolo beat inter way more convincing than Liverpool at home, so I guess Sassuolo> Liverpool then? These arguments are stupid and only go one way. When England ,the national team, gets outplayed by every single good side since I can remember everybody still calls these players the best in the world.

PL is the best league in the world because of the foreign players and coaches quality, not due to some overrated English players