Ivan Zamorano

[Ajesh]

Era doesn't matter. Your performance either put you as la grande inter or not. His performances doesn't merit la grande status.

So you mean to say that Performance is the lone criteria ? So that makes the case of Ronaldo to be put very strong. 59 Goals in 99 Matches.. Very good Performance.

Even if you take performance as the lone criteria, none of us has the right here to judge Bam-Bam's in Black and White because none of us has seen Inter that much during those times. Who knows how effective he must have been? Maybe our Mid-field sucked hard for him to get those chances.

The only evidences are the You Tube Videos. Looking at them he scored some Classy Goals for us, He was the Man of the Match in the Cup Final against Lazio, scored against Madrid etc. And finally when he gets a reception like that you wonder what he meant for the Club and its supporters.
For me, all these things are more relevant than plainly looking at the statistics without even knowing the Inter of those times.

 

[Stefan]

So you mean to say that Performance is the lone criteria ? So that makes the case of Ronaldo to be put very strong. 59 Goals in 99 Matches.. Very good Performance.

Even if you take performance as the lone criteria, none of us has the right here to judge Bam-Bam's in Black and White because none of us has seen Inter that much during those times. Who knows how effective he must have been? Maybe our Mid-field sucked hard for him to get those chances.

The only evidences are the You Tube Videos. Looking at them he scored some Classy Goals for us, He was the Man of the Match in the Cup Final against Lazio, scored against Madrid etc. And finally when he gets a reception like that you wonder what he meant for the Club and its supporters.
For me, all these things are more relevant than plainly looking at the statistics without even knowing the Inter of those times.

Attitude and actions can take your spot away. That's why ronaldo isn't la grande inter. Attitude and actions can't make you la grande inter you need performances on the pitch.

We have zamorona's stat's and his goal ratio doesn't put him in the la grande status. He wasn't a support striker either so he gets judged on goals scored.

For the record I saw all his inter performances starting with season 1997/1998.

 

[Ajesh]

We have zamorona's stat's and his goal ratio doesn't put him in the la grande status. He wasn't a support striker either so he gets judged on goals scored.

Its your personal decision if you want to take Goal Scoring ratio's as the only criteria but for me its half the performance on the pitch and half how much he showed passion for the Club.

Such personalities bring people to the Club and gives fond memories to people who already are fans of the Club. And the reactions of the fans in the stadium mean much than the Goal Scoring ratio being 2.23467 instead of 3.78.

20 years down the line what are you going to remember as ? Bam Bam bein a devoted Interista or his Goal Scoring Ratio FFS.

And anyway for the record people who think he should be in LGI are more than who think not.

PS: How are you going to Judge Cambiasso later? Number of Kilometers ran during his Entire Inter Career?

 

[Stefan]

That's because most people are judging this based on emotions that's their choice but I won't agree with them.

I don't judge players on emotions and I couldn't care less what the fans though about bam bam. That doesn't make la grande for me.

Cambiasso was a defensive midfielder so he gets judged on the cover he provided and how he played. Its much harder to judge them than strikers or creative players. But cambiasso has been our best defensive midfielder for the last 4 season. That puts him in la grande.

 

[Ajesh]

Now this has really got me cracked.

On one hand you say you dont like to judge people based on emotions and Era doesnt matter etc and then you say Cambiasso has to be put in La Grande.

So are you saying Cambiasso is in the Class of Fachetti, Bergomi, Matthaus etc?

The Best of Cambiasso wont even reach their average level. But wouldn't we all will agree that Cambiasso has to be put in La Grande when the time comes ?

Hope you get the drift.

 

[Stefan]

Now this has really got me cracked.

On one hand you say you dont like to judge people based on emotions and Era doesnt matter etc and then you say Cambiasso has to be put in La Grande.

So are you saying Cambiasso is in the Class of Fachetti, Bergomi, Matthaus etc?

The Best of Cambiasso wont even reach their average level. But wouldn't we all will agree that Cambiasso has to be put in La Grande when the time comes ?

Hope you get the drift.

Cambiasso has been one of the best dmc's in the world at his time at inter. His play has merited la grande inter. The same goes for maicon and zlatan. Zamorano never performed at that level.

I never said the players needs to be as good as those you mention to be in la grande inter but they need to produce a certain level. 41 in 149 games is not the level I find acceptable for a striker.

 

[Ajesh]

Cambiasso has been one of the best dmc's in the world at his time at inter. His play has merited la grande inter. The same goes for maicon and zlatan. Zamorano never performed at that level.

I never said the players needs to be as good as those you mention to be in la grande inter but they need to produce a certain level. 41 in 149 games is not the level I find acceptable for a striker.

You really love Statistics. Don't you?

You can call Cambiasso what you want, but for me a more accurate judgement for him would be one of the best Inter Player in the past years. "Best dmc's".......Blah Blah.. Crap.. Dud...... That's called Gross over rating.

Anyways the point being you are now calling a player La Grande Inter essentially based on this current era and its circumstances ( You can put any facade for your argument as you want. What was that again? Best Defensive....) but for Bam-Bam you choose to pick out Statistics and compare with all the great players of the Past.

Your First Argument was " Era Doesnt Matter" and now you are saying " They dont need to be as good as .......".

Anyways, whether Bam-Bam was good or Bad, i dont give a fuck to any statistics. All i care is that how good Inter was during those times and how Bam Bam was during those times at Inter. And he was good during those times, he gave us some special memories during the final against Lazio in a competition that is not quite the Mickey Mouse trophy that it is today.
Moreover he showed Passion for the Club. It merits an LGI in my eyes, its pleasing to see Majority also shares the belief and its re-affirming to see that kind of reception given to him at Meazza. If that doesnt merit La Grande, i dont know what does.....

In your perspective, what you are saying that Kepler Wessels cannot be Called a SA great because he doesnt have the statistics of Grahem Smith.But to the supporter with proper perspective he is a SA great.

Anyway i am done with the arguments as you are so stuck up with the Statistics.

 

[Stefan]

Kepler Wessels can't, he never played enough. Graeme smith is a better player than wessels was. Averages a lot more than wessels ever managed in tests and .30 more at first class level. So really that's a pretty bad example to pick.

Cambiasso is the top 10 dmc's in world football. I never said he was the best I said he is one of the best. That's a common acknowledge ment.

Era doesn't matter. If you go through inter's history as far as dmc's goes than cambiasso compares quite well with the others like oriali,ect. All the players you mentioned the likes of bergomi,zanetti,fachetti,lother didn't play the same position as cambi so its not really a comparison. Zamorano doesn't compare very well with the likes of meazza,mazzola,zlatan,vieri,ect. This is comparing oranges and apples.

 

[Ajesh]

Kepler Wessels can't, he never played enough. Graeme smith is a better player than wessels was. Averages a lot more than wessels ever managed in tests and .30 more at first class level. So really that's a pretty bad example to pick.

I really dont how much you have followed your own cricket. He was your captain and your team needed a solid leader after their coming back. I honestly thought you would know all these. Now i have realized what i have gotten into.

Era doesn't matter. If you go through inter's history as far as dmc's goes than cambiasso compares quite well with the others like oriali,ect. All the players you mentioned the likes of bergomi,zanetti,fachetti,lother didn't play the same position as cambi so its not really a comparison. Zamorano doesn't compare very well with the likes of meazza,mazzola,zlatan,vieri,ect. This is comparing oranges and apples.

I can sense a sudden shift in the criteria to comparing counterparts from the La Grande Inter. Has it not occurred to you, how would the first person in the LGI have been selected, I am giving this example because by look of things you really like all the rules set up.

If you really want to go so deep then you should know that Cambiasso is not a typical DM anyways. So comparing him to anybody doesnt make any sense. Anyways i am really really curious to know why Cambiasso shouldnt be compared with Lother and compared with Orialli in the framework which you have provided. Since you have given out the name i expect you to know that Orialli is a DM who specialised in breaking up play and is not really comparable to Cambiasso.

Anyways i dont intend to compare Zamorano with anybody because i said Era does matter and it was my first argument.

 

[Principe]

Attitude and actions can take your spot away. That's why ronaldo isn't la grande inter. Attitude and actions can't make you la grande inter you need performances on the pitch.

We have zamorona's stat's and his goal ratio doesn't put him in the la grande status. He wasn't a support striker either so he gets judged on goals scored.

For the record I saw all his inter performances starting with season 1997/1998.

Those are double standards that you go by...

For example when judging a project and whether or not to invest in it you check out things such as the economic factor, but also you give weight to the non economical factors such as if you were to go and buy a car it might be much more expensive than others that are in the same class however it would offer you more comfort or has the seat warming option which you happen to rate very highly......so sometimes even though the economical factor is negative but the non economical factor is positive you'd still invest and vice versa if the project was positive but the non economical factors were negative you might choose not to invest...

I see someone going into la grande Inter or not is the same (ofcourse this whole thing is pointless because it's not like we'll give them awards or money or anything) but for the same of debate, If Ronaldo's actions caused him not to be part of La Grande Inter then someone's actions if good enough should place them in La Grande Inter (if their performance is decent enough)...

Also Era does play a factor in involving some players to the status of legends, because at times the team is so great that it's easier for a player to score 20+ goals than if his team was utter crap...Take many legends who I believe would not succeed in today's modern football because of the increase in pace and athleticism with respect to time...

 

[Stefan]

I really dont how much you have followed your own cricket. He was your captain and your team needed a solid leader after their coming back. I honestly thought you would know all these. Now i have realized what i have gotten into.



I can sense a sudden shift in the criteria to comparing counterparts from the La Grande Inter. Has it not occurred to you, how would the first person in the LGI have been selected, I am giving this example because by look of things you really like all the rules set up.

If you really want to go so deep then you should know that Cambiasso is not a typical DM anyways. So comparing him to anybody doesnt make any sense. Anyways i am really really curious to know why Cambiasso shouldnt be compared with Lother and compared with Orialli in the framework which you have provided. Since you have given out the name i expect you to know that Orialli is a DM who specialised in breaking up play and is not really comparable to Cambiasso.

Anyways i dont intend to compare Zamorano with anybody because i said Era does matter and it was my first argument.

I know all of these things but that doesn't make him a better player than Graeme Smith. Also Smith's record as captain is better. Only SA captain to win in aus,ect. Wessels did his job when we needed someone like him as a leader but he is in no way a better player or leader than Graeme Smith. Wessels would not make an all time best SA 11 Smith would. Also I didn't just include Wessels SA batting record if I did it would look even worse I looked at his total test career, while playing for aus as well.

Those are double standards that you go by...

For example when judging a project and whether or not to invest in it you check out things such as the economic factor, but also you give weight to the non economical factors such as if you were to go and buy a car it might be much more expensive than others that are in the same class however it would offer you more comfort or has the seat warming option which you happen to rate very highly......so sometimes even though the economical factor is negative but the non economical factor is positive you'd still invest and vice versa if the project was positive but the non economical factors were negative you might choose not to invest...

I see someone going into la grande Inter or not is the same (ofcourse this whole thing is pointless because it's not like we'll give them awards or money or anything) but for the same of debate, If Ronaldo's actions caused him not to be part of La Grande Inter then someone's actions if good enough should place them in La Grande Inter (if their performance is decent enough)...

Also Era does play a factor in involving some players to the status of legends, because at times the team is so great that it's easier for a player to score 20+ goals than if his team was utter crap...Take many legends who I believe would not succeed in today's modern football because of the increase in pace and athleticism with respect to time...

Like I explained before for me attitude and such can take status away but it can't earn a spot. I need above average performances and a decent attitude. For me bam bam's performances were good but not above average hence why I exclude him. I don't see it as double standards at all.

I do find it strange that some of you who are very pro including zamorano in la grande inter are opposed to Oba. To me they are very similar. Both with great attitudes and commitments but both who never quite delivered enough for inter.

 

[Handoyo]

We can all discuss about the criteria and such but then again, it all comes down to personal opinion. In the end, these things are actually no more than popularity contest. Not that that's a bad thing because that's the most democratic way.

 

[Adriano@10]

Fore me its the same with Ivan as with Martins both are great players with great character and they showed love for our club. Still also Zamorano did not preform on a constant level to be considered part of la grande inter in my books.

 

[Gasparroni]

so he gets judged on goals scored.

Adriano is our all time CL topscorer with 18 goals out of 35 matches. Will he earn a spot in La grande Inter now? That are statics that any striker ever can fight against.

 

[Stefan]

Adriano is our all time CL topscorer with 18 goals out of 35 matches. Will he earn a spot in La grande Inter now? That are statics that any striker ever can fight against.

No because I don't take one competition, I take all competitions. I also take the career as a whole and adriano hasn't done shit for the last 2 and a half years. Had he continued how he started he would be la grande, he didn't hence he failed in my eyes.

 

[NimAraya]

I think it's time for La Grande Inter to become more lighter. Zamorano had good times with inter but I doubt he deserves to be in la Grande Inter.

 

[Wallace]

His goal against Lazio in UEFA Cup was awesome, that's about it really...He's passionate about Inter and all that, but then we all are..

Therefore, sorry ..

 

[vitomins]

One day I hope to be in La Grande Inter...based on the way people vote on here, I should be a shoe in!

 

[Gasparroni]

Why do people even vote while they never have seen him playing? Perhaps they don't even know him.....

 

[vitomins]

I hope you are not directing that at me, because I've seen him play hundreds of times...