José "The Special One" Mourinho

[marchs10]

nice article!

 

[Ziyad]

I am abit worried about Jose especially now that we lost soo many points. With such an encounter against Chelsea coming i cant help but remember the two games against Barca.The first a fantastic display of effort and team work,the second a calamity.I am hoping that scenario isnt repeated with Chelsea.

 

[mario.santon]

we are approaching this chelski games differently that we did against barca....
but still can not be overconfident

 

[vitomins]

I know this may spark another Mancini vs. Mourinho battle, but I just thought of something interesting.

In Mancini's 4 seasons with Inter, he only lost 2 games in the Serie A by more than 1 goal.

2004-05: None
2005-06: at Juventus (0-2)
2006-07: Roma (1-3)
2007-08: None

In his 1 3/4 years with Inter, Mourinho has already managed to lose 2 matches in the Serie A by more than 1 goal.

2008-09: at Atalanta (1-3)
2009-10: at Catania (1-3)


Mourinho's losses are to much weaker opponents, and I found it interesting that in 4 years with the club, Mancini never lost to a bottom half club by more than a goal, while Mourinho has already managed to do it twice.

If we factor in Coppa Italia, both managers would add another game to their list...Mancini had a 6-2 loss to Roma and Mourinho had a 3-0 loss to Sampdoria.

Lets look at the two in Champions League...

Mancini had 4 losses by more than 1 goal, all to very respectable opponents, with the weakest one being Porto.

2004-05: at Milan (0-2) [will not count the forfeited match]
2005-06: at Porto (0-2)
2006-07: Bayern Munich (0-2)
2007-08: at Liverpool (0-2)


Mourinho also has a loss by more than 1 goal each year so far, and they are also against very respectable opponents, so in Champions League, the managers are about even so far in terms of losses.

2008-09: at Manchester United (0-2)
2009-10: at Barcelona (0-2)



This post is probably very meaningless, I was just bored and wanted to investigate our losses under both managers...

 

[Luka]

Jose didn't loose at home in the league while Mancini did

Those arguments have very broad spectrum

 

[vitomins]

Jose didn't loose at home in the league while Mancini did

Those arguments have very broad spectrum

Who cares about losing at home?? Clearly, losses to Atalanta (finished 11th) and Catania (currently 15th) are much worse than Juventus (won the league before the scandal) and Roma (finished 2nd)....right??

 

[Jimmy Page]

I hope you know what you are doing in the Balotelli case José......

 

[vitomins]

Question: "Obviously you cannot put Chivu on the same level with Baloteli, Chivu just came back from a bad injury. Was there a probelm between you and Balotelli."

Answer: "Balotelli will not play, so I will not talk about him, its simple."

 

[Luka]

Who cares about losing at home?? Clearly, losses to Atalanta (finished 11th) and Catania (currently 15th) are much worse than Juventus (won the league before the scandal) and Roma (finished 2nd)....right??

I'm just saying, that it's like chasing ghosts. I wouldn't look much into it. What matters ultimetly is to win the league.

And some might even say, it's better to loose to 20th team, than to second, because a defeat to a 20th team was in 90% probability a complecency issue, while loosing to a 2nd, or 3rd team is mostly, because the team wasn't good enough, and it's always a better proof of how strong team is, if they win versus the second team, or 20th.

But I'm going off the topic, and Jose did loose to JuBe. The point is... you admited "This post is probably very meaningless", and yet you answered aggresively towards my very light post, so maybe it wasn't as meaningless to you, as you wanted it to be

 

[vitomins]

I'm just saying, that it's like chasing ghosts. I wouldn't look much into it. What matters ultimetly is to win the league.

And some might even say, it's better to loose to 20th team, than to second, because a defeat to a 20th team was in 90% probability a complecency issue, while loosing to a 2nd, or 3rd team is mostly, because the team wasn't good enough, and it's always a better proof of how strong team is, if they win versus the second team, or 20th.

But I'm going off the topic, and Jose did loose to JuBe. The point is... you admited "This post is probably very meaningless", and yet you answered aggresively towards my very light post, so maybe it wasn't as meaningless to you, as you wanted it to be

Because no matter what anyone does, you always feel that Mourinho does no wrong. By putting in the meaningless part, I thought it would keep you away, but you still couldn't resist.

You have now even went to the length of saying losing to the 20th team is better than losing to the 2nd team...lol jesus christ man, I like Mourinho too, but obsession is dangerous...

 

[Luka]

Because no matter what anyone does, you always feel that Mourinho does no wrong.

That is not correct, and simply shows that you don't read me enough over here, when I talk about Jose.

You have now even went to the length of saying losing to the 20th team is better than losing to the 2nd team..

So if let's say we loose 6 games in the season, and we still win the league in the end, for you it's better if we loose all 6 to Roma, JuBe, Milan (home and away), than to Catania, Livorno and say Sienia, while we win the other 6 games against our strongest rivals ?

I also fail to see why you think I only said it because of Jose. I would say it no matter the coach, if it was Mancini, Jose or Cuper.

And even if I say this, you (and couple others) will still ignore it (or simply forget it) and 3 weeks from now I will hear it again, about how I deffend Jose all the time blah blah blah...

 

[vitomins]

That is not correct, and simply shows that you don't read me enough over here, when I talk about Jose.


So if let's say we loose 6 games in the season, and we still win the league in the end, for you it's better if we loose all 6 to Roma, JuBe, Milan (home and away), than to Catania, Livorno and say Sienia, while we win the other 6 games against our strongest rivals ?

I also fail to see why you think I only said it because of Jose. I would say it no matter the coach, if it was Mancini, Jose or Cuper.

And even if I say this, you (and couple others) will still ignore it (or simply forget it) and 3 weeks from now I will hear it again, about how I deffend Jose all the time blah blah blah...

The point I was making is that in 4 years, Mancini never lost to a bottom half team by more than a goal. In Mourinho's two years, he has already managed to do it twice.

I am just laying out the facts, you may feel it means nothing, but other may feel it is a good piece of information. To each his own...

Emotionally a loss to Juventus or Roma is worse, but speaking strictly from a footballing sense, Catania and Atalanta are much worse losses than Juve and Roma. Losing to Juventus or Roma by more than a goal can happen, because they are strong teams, or they were at the time, but in my opinion, we should not be losing to bottom half teams to begin with let alone by more than a goal.

You can blame it on Muntari, but the fact is, if you go into halftime, 0-0 away form home, you are treading dangerous water.

 

[Luka]

Lets not stretch the topic.

As far as the "statistics" I think there's nothing more to say.

As for the games lost (which is kinda interesting ), I will give you an example:

You have 2 teams
- team A losses 6 games against a bottom sides, but wins all other games and wins the league ultimetly
- team B losses 6 games against three teams that finished 2nd, 3rd and 4th, but wins all other games and wins the league ultimetly

Which of these teams would you consider stronger, by simply that one piece of information. Which team would have a better shot to win say CL, Team A or team B ? :shades:

 

[BigBoss]

Guys plz wait until Mou finishes his 4th year at Inter and you can make a comparison between him and other coaches. He is building a team and we will see what bring in the future. I bet my money on a better team which has good chance to win the CL.


It is not easy to compare in a fair manner, taking all factors into account. And the discussion will be endless. For example, you should consider Mou has more difficulties in Italy than Mancini. He has been banned unfairly when Inter lost the last match.

As long as he win the league, I do not care about the lost matches?

 

[vitomins]

Guys plz wait until Mou finishes his 4th year at Inter and you can make a comparison between him and other coaches. He is building a team and we will see what bring in the future. I bet my money on a better team which has good chance to win the CL.


It is not easy to compare in a fair manner, taking all factors into account. And the discussion will be endless. For example, you should consider Mou has more difficulties in Italy than Mancini. He has been banned unfairly when Inter lost the last match.

As long as he win the league, I do not care about the lost matches?

Haha, you still believe Mourinho will be here for 2 more years after Real Madrid was bumped form CL...God Bless your heart! I also hope for the same thing, but do not see that happening.

 

[vitomins]

Lets not stretch the topic.

As far as the "statistics" I think there's nothing more to say.

As for the games lost (which is kinda interesting ), I will give you an example:

You have 2 teams
- team A losses 6 games against a bottom sides, but wins all other games and wins the league ultimetly
- team B losses 6 games against three teams that finished 2nd, 3rd and 4th, but wins all other games and wins the league ultimetly

Which of these teams would you consider stronger, by simply that one piece of information. Which team would have a better shot to win say CL, Team A or team B ? :shades:

Neither team is stronger...I never said that we were stronger under Mancini, I only said that Mourinho has lost by more than 1 goal to much weaker opponents than Mancini. That is all! You are the one bending this whole thing and now are even stretching it to who has a better shot in CL???

Go and compare Mancini's wins/losses to Mourinho's in CL...Mancini has as good or better results than Mourinho is Champions League. So to answer your question, I guess the team that loses to Juve or Roma has a better shot to win Champions League than the team that loses to Catania or Atalanta.

In reality, you cannot base the strength on loses, I merely stated that Mourinho has worse losses than Mancini had...I never meant to turn this into a CL discussion...

 

[Luka]

You didn't understand me. For me, the "statistics" talk was over. I was just trying to discuss this "is it better to loose versus bottom team, or top team" topic, but I see you have no interest in that. I just thought it was interesting.

If you don't want to, fine with me. (It had nothing to do with Mancini or Mourinho)

 

[BigBoss]

Haha, you still believe Mourinho will be here for 2 more years after Real Madrid was bumped form CL...God Bless your heart! I also hope for the same thing, but do not see that happening.

ok, see whether it happens or not. Personally I see him stay with us for another 2 years. Hope that I am right. If he go to Madrid, he must be very tough guy

 

[For-Real]

Be For Real Mr.Hidden Agenda.

I know this may spark another Mancini vs. Mourinho battle, but I just thought of something interesting.

In Mancini's 4 seasons with Inter, he only lost 2 games in the Serie A by more than 1 goal.

2004-05: None
2005-06: at Juventus (0-2)
2006-07: Roma (1-3)
2007-08: None

In his 1 3/4 years with Inter, Mourinho has already managed to lose 2 matches in the Serie A by more than 1 goal.

2008-09: at Atalanta (1-3)
2009-10: at Catania (1-3)


Mourinho's losses are to much weaker opponents, and I found it interesting that in 4 years with the club, Mancini never lost to a bottom half club by more than a goal, while Mourinho has already managed to do it twice.

If we factor in Coppa Italia, both managers would add another game to their list...Mancini had a 6-2 loss to Roma and Mourinho had a 3-0 loss to Sampdoria.

Lets look at the two in Champions League...

Mancini had 4 losses by more than 1 goal, all to very respectable opponents, with the weakest one being Porto.

2004-05: at Milan (0-2) [will not count the forfeited match]
2005-06: at Porto (0-2)
2006-07: Bayern Munich (0-2)
2007-08: at Liverpool (0-2)


Mourinho also has a loss by more than 1 goal each year so far, and they are also against very respectable opponents, so in Champions League, the managers are about even so far in terms of losses.

2008-09: at Manchester United (0-2)
2009-10: at Barcelona (0-2)



This post is probably very meaningless, I was just bored and wanted to investigate our losses under both managers...

" Haha, you still believe Mourinho will be here for 2 more years after Real Madrid was bumped form CL...God Bless your heart! I also hope for the same thing, but do not see that happening. "
Did you award Mourinho his contract ? , are you Morratti if so please let us know !

"I never said that we were stronger under Mancini, " What do you take the readers on this board for ?.

"I am just laying out the facts, you may feel it means nothing, but other may feel it is a good piece of information. To each his own...
"
You dig out this information without anything in mind ?. Please Vitomins :nono:

O.k Sum all this up and tell us all once and for all what you are implying ?
Am very interested in knowing were you really stand for or vise versa , this isn't your first " I am just laying out the facts " .

" but in my opinion, we should not be losing to bottom half teams to begin with let alone by more than a goal. "
In other words you are sure if Mancini was still in charge we wouldn't be loosing to bottom teams , do you know which year is this ?

If you wouldn't come up and be For Real i would be for you , you always dig out information of how better we were under Mancini and how sloppy we have being under Mourinho , right ? if wrong give me a post or comment you made were by you did a research in favor of Mourinho .
You believe we were better under Mancini than Mourinho , but you have clearly not come out to say this straight but u use your research to bowl your hidden agenda ,right ? If wrong tell me which of your comment or post says otherwise .
Be For Real , they call you Mr. Optimist but i say you are Mr. Hidden Agenda.

 

[BigBoss]

I share with be-for-real,
what ever statistic one can provide, please make the statement or claim something clear.
Statistics is to support the claim, not for floating in the air.