José "The Special One" Mourinho

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Montolivo has alot of talent, but he is abit inconsistent for sure, kinda the same as Aquilani. Fiorentina would demand a huge fee for him as well.

Deco would have been the ideal player, he has everything we miss in midfield.

Not full-heartedly going for him because we thought Lampard was in the bag has turned out to be an even bigger mistake than i initially thought.
 

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Prior to Jose's arrival, I doubted whether he could succeed with a 4-3-3 formation in Italy. Even after acquiring Mancini and Quaresma I had my doubts as defences and tacticians in Italy are a great deal more intelligent than in England. At the time of posting my concerns, I recall posts that said Jose was intelligent enough to realise when something was not working and that if necessary, he would change our formation if things were not working. That time has come and there has been no such move. For some reason, I have a terrible feeling that we are only going to go backwards this season.
 

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At some point you guys have to stop just repeating some bull shit that some members say.
4-3-3, lemme see. How many teams use 4-3-3 in Italy. Lazio, Udinese, Fiorentina, Torino, Catania etc etc. How can it not be a system for Italy, if if the most commonly used formation in Italy?

The only difference is that none of these teams have two flashy wingers supporting a "support striker" upfront.
For Fiorentina, Santana is a pure winger, and then Mutu plays as a second striker, with Gilardino the center forward.

I just find it so funny. Two months ago, every one was so desperately trying to suck Mourinho dicks, that there wasnt an empty spot left on his small penis. Now suddenly, we are wishing that Mancini would be back? Or Mancini would give advice to Mourinho since technically he is still employed by us? Wasn't he the most technically inept manager in the world? :dielaugh: . I was probably the only one, not thrilled by Mourinho. But the whole point of, "If Mourinho plays 10 strikers, we should let him, cause he is a genius" or "can some one pls already put Mourinho in La Grande Inter" to Mourinho is a dumbass, and should stop his 4-3-3 formations, just because some geniuses dont think that 4-3-3 works in Italy.

Its the beginning of the campaign, and no team wins the league by getting 114 points. Plus with the league so tough this year, I expect the winning team to get round about 80 points.

We do have a problem in scoring. A huge problem. The Werder game, Anorthosis, Genoa, we have shown our inability to score. Firoentina game, I wont mind. The have a pretty strong team, and there are not many teams that can go to Florence and get a point. I dont think there is anything wrong with our system. The static midfield point is seriously getting boring. Mourinho just needs to sort out the front 3, with out favourtism. We can really really use Adriano, otherwise a very inconsistent Mancini or 'I am still adapting to the league" Quaresma, will never really work with Ibra. Quite honestly, I hate saying it, we really need Adriano.
 

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Well, it's been said here since summer by couple of members that 4-3-3 with two wingers doesn't work. There needs to be the second forward (Ibra) along with a pure center forward.

The scoring problem you mentioned is heavily related to the static midfield point. With a good, dynamic midfield one can create more chances than we are creating at the moment. If we have to score in every scoring chance we get, we won't win Scudetto. Zlatan can't finish every chance and he plays the most. Midfield needs to support offensive play better. Of course it's hard because we have Zanetti, Cambiasso, Stankovic, Dacourt there.
 

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A midfield of Vieira, Muntari and Cambiasso would work just fine. Too bad they are all injured.

We need either one of the two wingers Manicni/Quaresma to step up their game, play Ibra as a second forward and Adriano (yes freakin Adriano), to play the center forward role.
Right now both our wingers are shitting themselves, and with Ibra in an advanced role, we are having trouble creating chances.

Switching to 4-4-2 doesnt solve anything. It would just allow Ibra to back track a little bit more, but there will still be two crappy wingers
who wont be able to do anything. Having a target man in a 4-4-2 doesnt make any sense, because we are not having problems in finishing our chances, we are haivng problems in creating these chances.

I just found it hilarious reading the comments that 4-3-3 never works in Italy, by 50 different members after the Viola game. 4-3-3 is by far the most commonly used formation in Italy.
 

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Its not Cambiasso's fault. Cambiasso gives a lot of stability and balance to the midfield. Mourinho even had the confidence to play Quaresma as the 3rd mid in some game recently just because he knew the defensive work will be done by Muntari and El cuchu.

I seriously think we are lacking a midfield leader, not in the sense of providing attacking passes, just the physical dirty aspect of it. Deki cant do it without a Viera or a Cambiasso. Whenever Vieira or Cambiasso played, we have always done well. Vieira also makes Maicon play better, it shows. The 4-3-3 with 2 wingers doesnt give us strength in the middle if Ibra has 5 players marking him.
 

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Shahz, the main two problems we're having now with 4-3-3 is that our midfield isn't supporting the attack well, JZ-Chivu-Stankovic aren't really the best ball providers.

The other problem is that we're playing Zlatan as a target man, he has good finishing but he's not suited for playing in that role. He likes to move to the sides.

In my opinion 4-3-3 would work in this case.

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Maicon- Cordoba- Chivu - Maxwell
Vieira- Cambiasso - JZ/Muntari
Mancini/RQ- Adriano- Ibrahimovic

We'll have enough support to our attack as Vieira is a good ball passer and Cambiasso is a good ball passer as well. Ibra won't have 10 men on him because he won't be alone between the defenders.

Let's put our motions aside. I hate saying this but JZ isn't really the the best player in any of the positions he can play at RB/LB/CM.
 

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Maicon- Cordoba- Chivu - Maxwell
Vieira- Cambiasso - JZ/Muntari
Mancini/RQ- Adriano- Ibrahimovic

We'll have enough support to our attack as Vieira is a good ball passer and Cambiasso is a good ball passer as well. Ibra won't have 10 men on him because he won't be alone between the defenders.

Nice line-up very well but muntari is now the best passing guy in the team he has the best vision and passes of the team and cambiasso actually dont have a good pass accurasy he only passes to the back or near him not difficult passes to the front viera is better in that occasion but muntari is superior, but the injuries hurt us a lot so we have to change mostly every weekend our line-up it's time for a new viera.
 

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A midfield of Vieira, Muntari and Cambiasso would work just fine. Too bad they are all injured.

We need either one of the two wingers Manicni/Quaresma to step up their game, play Ibra as a second forward and Adriano (yes freakin Adriano), to play the center forward role.
Right now both our wingers are shitting themselves, and with Ibra in an advanced role, we are having trouble creating chances.

Switching to 4-4-2 doesnt solve anything. It would just allow Ibra to back track a little bit more, but there will still be two crappy wingers
who wont be able to do anything. Having a target man in a 4-4-2 doesnt make any sense, because we are not having problems in finishing our chances, we are haivng problems in creating these chances.

I just found it hilarious reading the comments that 4-3-3 never works in Italy, by 50 different members after the Viola game. 4-3-3 is by far the most commonly used formation in Italy.

Relying on Adriano shows how desperate we are. He will be transferred come January and until then he will be given very little playing time. The fact of the matter is that Mourinho was doing him a favour by allowing him a clean slate and to start afresh and he fucked everything up. It is okay to make mistakes but Adriano's problem is that he never learns from them and the worst part is that he had worked hard to get back in the team, had been re-selected for Brazil and then he goes and undoes all his hard work because he wants to go out. Lets be honest here, Mourinho has greater things to worry about than an immature striker who refuses to take responsibility for his actions. So in my view, Adriano can not be relied upon to make a contribution.

If anyone is to partner Ibrahimovic up front, it should be Cruz. They were excellent together last season and it is obvious that Crespo is not up to the task whilst Balotelli is too much in love with himself and the idea that he is a star to actually work hard and make a telling contribution.

But none of the above is really relevant because Mourinho is not going to change formation. I do not understand how you can say that changing to a 4-4-2 formation will have little to no difference to our game. First and foremost, Ibrahimovic will actually have a strike partner to help share the burden of scoring. At the moment, when Ibrahimovic fails to score, the whole team's game is off. Having a second frontman to support him would mean that there would be a second player, whether it be Cruz, Crespo or Balotelli to help Ibrahimovic.

With regards to your comments about our wingers, I agree. Mancini and Quaresma both need to step up their games. I believe a 4-4-2 would help them do this as they could better focus on attacking whilst Maicon and Maxwell (or whoever plays at left back) would have increased defensive responsibilities.

I note that you mentioned creativity to be a problem. In the matches that I have watched this season, the team has created a many chances but has failed to convert. Having said that, there are occasions when Ibrahimovic has been having a quiet game and it is in these games that our midfield has failed to create opportunities for him to score. It is my view that taking a player out of a frontline that is failing to score adding a a player into our midfield may help us in the middle of the pitch when we struggling in terms of creativity. But once again, there is the issue of Inter's lack of a creative player in midfield.

I note your amusement at the fact that 4-3-3 does not work well and that it is by far the most commonly used formation in Italy. Just because a handful of teams in the peninsula use the formation does not make it common practice. With regards to Inter, it would have been more accurate to state that a 4-3-3 formation does not suit Inter.

In my view, we can talk about this all we like but it is going to make little to no difference in the sense that Mourinho will not deviate from his beloved 4-3-3. Like I said earlier, it feels like we are going backwards.
 
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At some point you guys have to stop just repeating some bull shit that some members say.
4-3-3, lemme see. How many teams use 4-3-3 in Italy. Lazio, Udinese, Fiorentina, Torino, Catania etc etc. How can it not be a system for Italy, if if the most commonly used formation in Italy?

The only difference is that none of these teams have two flashy wingers supporting a "support striker" upfront.
For Fiorentina, Santana is a pure winger, and then Mutu plays as a second striker, with Gilardino the center forward.

I just find it so funny. Two months ago, every one was so desperately trying to suck Mourinho dicks, that there wasnt an empty spot left on his small penis. Now suddenly, we are wishing that Mancini would be back? Or Mancini would give advice to Mourinho since technically he is still employed by us? Wasn't he the most technically inept manager in the world? :dielaugh: . I was probably the only one, not thrilled by Mourinho. But the whole point of, "If Mourinho plays 10 strikers, we should let him, cause he is a genius" or "can some one pls already put Mourinho in La Grande Inter" to Mourinho is a dumbass, and should stop his 4-3-3 formations, just because some geniuses dont think that 4-3-3 works in Italy.

Its the beginning of the campaign, and no team wins the league by getting 114 points. Plus with the league so tough this year, I expect the winning team to get round about 80 points.

We do have a problem in scoring. A huge problem. The Werder game, Anorthosis, Genoa, we have shown our inability to score. Firoentina game, I wont mind. The have a pretty strong team, and there are not many teams that can go to Florence and get a point. I dont think there is anything wrong with our system. The static midfield point is seriously getting boring. Mourinho just needs to sort out the front 3, with out favourtism. We can really really use Adriano, otherwise a very inconsistent Mancini or 'I am still adapting to the league" Quaresma, will never really work with Ibra. Quite honestly, I hate saying it, we really need Adriano.
I think you're contradicting yourself. 4-3-3 (at least my humbel understanding of it) means 3 central midfielders (with a lot of defensive duties) ONE central forward (usually an out and out striker. and two wing-forwards or support strikers. If you play a support striker behing the out-and-out striker it's no longer 4-3-3, but 4-4-2. Of course I could be wrong it's just my understanding of it....and YES you do need Adriano. JM needs to humble himself and Adriano has to stop f**king up
 

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433 means whatever the coach wants it to means. In reality, it just means 4 defender, 3 midfielders, 3 attackers. Whichever qualities these specific players are supposed to have is up to the coach.

There is no such thing as a "fixed formation".

But its impossible to play 433 (or any other formation, for that matter) with 3 defensive minded midfielders who has no pace, passing and generaly play idealess football when going forward.

They cant take part in the offensive play properly, so they cant support the wingers/forwards properly as well. Its simply not in their characteristics to play like that.

Our midfielders are way too similar, they arent bad players but they are too similar in strenghs and weakneses. It was an issue in the past 2 seasons as well, and nothing has changed. Muntari adds nothing we dont already have, he is the same type of midfielder as we already have.
 

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Mourinho wasn't doing Adri a favor by starting him. It was obvious Adriano is our best striker to partner Ibra so far.

Like Ibra said in that interview on the 100one DVD: "When I play the defenders are always up my ass marking me like crazy because I intimidate them, but when Adri plays alongside me they don't know what to do"
 

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Look Mike, all of us, 100% of Interisti, want Ibra - Adri partnership to work. It's been giving us wet dreams since the moment Ibra signed his contract back in 2006 but it is crystal clear that Adriano is a pathetic piece of shit. We have been waiting for him for two thousand years to mature the hell up but he has only failed us and it would be foolish to keep placing our hopes on him.
 

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Look Mike, all of us, 100% of Interisti, want Ibra - Adri partnership to work. It's been giving us wet dreams since the moment Ibra signed his contract back in 2006 but it is crystal clear that Adriano is a pathetic piece of shit. We have been waiting for him for two thousand years to mature the hell up but he has only failed us and it would be foolish to keep placing our hopes on him.

Yes Adri screwed up again but I think u are way 2 harsh on him. This season he has shown that he can become the adri of 04/05 season. He has had one slip up this season which i still blame Ronnie as I think this whole clubbing scenario is a milan ploy to unrest Inter. Look at the positive side, when he was out with Ronnie, he was only drinking water, it least he's trying.

Yes I do believe Mou is doing the right thing by punishing Adri but 2 what extent? Being dropped against Reggina is 2 harsh,

I do believe he needs another chance! (Yes I know he's had lot's of chances but he deserves one more.)
 

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Yes Adri screwed up again but I think u are way 2 harsh on him. This season he has shown that he can become the adri of 04/05 season. He has had one slip up this season which i still blame Ronnie as I think this whole clubbing scenario is a milan ploy to unrest Inter. Look at the positive side, when he was out with Ronnie, he was only drinking water, it least he's trying.

Yes I do believe Mou is doing the right thing by punishing Adri but 2 what extent? Being dropped against Reggina is 2 harsh,

I do believe he needs another chance! (Yes I know he's had lot's of chances but he deserves one more.)

:lol: I went out with Ronaldinho and I had only water.

:lol: BBilan ploy to unsettle us.

:lol: Give him another chance.
 

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Even if we are struggling, I don't think many want Mancini back. He is technically clueless, Mourinho is just stubborn and doens't know Italy well. Mancini has been here for ever and still gets formation wrong.
 

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There is one solution to all of our problems, that is to get a creative midfielder in january because we can survive on our midfield until the winter ,and when the knockout stage begins thats when our lack of creativity will show.
 

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Not that easy to find a quality midfielder in January...
 

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There is one solution to all of our problems, that is to get a creative midfielder in january because we can survive on our midfield until the winter ,and when the knockout stage begins thats when our lack of creativity will show.

If Inter want to purchase a creative midfielder in January, the club will have to look to South America because it is most likely that any world class midfielder that can make a difference to our game and an impact in the Champions League will most likely be cup tied (player based in Europe).

In reality, a world class midfielder can not be purchased in January and be instantly inserted into the team to become the focal point through which we direct our play. Players need time to settle in a new country as well as learn what is expected of them by their new coach. A new arrival that will seriously make a contribution and difference to our game seems unlikely.
 

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http://www.goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=940578
Capello Has Faith In Mourinho

Fabio Capello was announced as the new English manager on the 14th of December, 2007, following the dismissal of Steve McClaren, due to his failure to take the nation to the Euro 2008 Finals.

The English signed Capello signed for a period of a four and a half years and rightfully so, as the coach has plenty of experience, from coaching some of Europe’s top clubs.

In a recent interview with La Gazzetta Dello Sport, Capello spoke about the early stages of the Serie A season, back in his native Italy, and his thoughts on some of the changes that have taken place there thus far.

When asked about new Inter boss Jose Mourinho, the England manager had this to say: “I have no doubt that Mourinho will do very well with the Nerazzurri, and I believe that they will go close to winning the Scudetto once again this season.”

The Nerazzurri have played out two successive scoreless draws against Genoa and Fiorentina, and have managed just one goal in their past three matches of football.

Mourinho’s men were leapfrogged by Milan in the standings for the first time in almost three seasons, and they face Reggina this weekend in a must win match in Calabria, before a trip to Cypriot club Anorthosis midweek.
 
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