Lautaro Martinez

[brehme1989]

Wtf very good dribbler

Yes, he is.

He can turn the ball around opponents, he can change the direction of his body without much effort while running, he is agile enough to pull some dirty tricks (that don't always pan out of course) and he can confuse a defender in terms of which direction he's going. Just because he tries it too much and doesn't know when to not do it doesn't reduce his skill level. It just shows that he has poor decision making.

And yeah, hat's what a "very good dribbler" does. He's no Garrincha but he's much better than average and not that far off the elite levels.

 

[Wobblz]

Strengths:
Can play decent football

Weaknesses:
Still a kid

Oh well...

 

[sakera]

With his attitude , I hope he can be pur zanetti upfront

Sensi Rules!!!!

 

[Wallace]

Yes, he is.

He can turn the ball around opponents, he can change the direction of his body without much effort while running, he is agile enough to pull some dirty tricks (that don't always pan out of course) and he can confuse a defender in terms of which direction he's going. Just because he tries it too much and doesn't know when to not do it doesn't reduce his skill level. It just shows that he has poor decision making.

And yeah, hat's what a "very good dribbler" does. He's no Garrincha but he's much better than average and not that far off the elite levels.

Well I guess the forum could do well with some positivity.

I don’t see how succeeding once out of ten times makes him good at it, half the skill in basically doing anything is understanding the circumstances in when and how to apply that skill.

“I have the skill of deriving a closed form polynomial equation, even though I can only do it half the time, but I am still very good at it.”

Im just gonna agree to disagree.

 

[Universe]

I think his best game in our shirt. 7.5 or 8/10 for me.

I suspect he had a lot of fun in the one-touch, give-and-go backflick bonanza that was the first half. When we attack in such an audacious and sensational manner, it really does compliment how Lautaro wants to play, and we're very pretty to watch.

That said, we're not going to be able to play like that in the vast majority of games because most teams will put a lot more men behind the ball, especially in the league. That kind of one-touch vertical football is much, much harder to pull off in a game with less space and a slower tempo. Ultimately, I'm encouraged by this match and I'm looking to see how he plays in tighter games which aren't as free-flowing and require more patience to unlock.

In the end, it came down to fine details and moments of quality - moments where you just have to get it 100% right. Not 75% or even 90%, but 100%, and this can make all the difference. See Suarez's goals for example. Lautaro had a great header saved by Ter Stegen, but sadly it just wasn't enough. He just wasn't able to direct it slightly more to the side to make it unsaveable. He also nudged the ball past Ter Stegen but his touch was slightly too heavy and by the time he recovered the ball, the shooting angle was very tight (he still should've tried to shoot instead of passing IMO). I'm not going to fixate on these missed chances because on another day, luck might've been on his side. Hopefully the experience will remind him just how small the difference between success and failure can be, and help him refine these fine margins over time.

 

[brehme1989]

Well I guess the forum could do well with some positivity.

I don’t see how succeeding once out of ten times makes him good at it, half the skill in basically doing anything is understanding the circumstances in when and how to apply that skill.

“I have the skill of deriving a closed form polynomial equation, even though I can only do it half the time, but I am still very good at it.”

Im just gonna agree to disagree.

That's a forced comparison with no merit.

Who are the strikers who "can dribble" and "not lose possession"? We all got tired I hope from the Harry Kane mentions as the ideal striker.

Lautaro has 1 successful dribble per game and gets dispossessed 0.5 times per game.
Whereas our exemplary example has 0.7 dribbles per game and gets dispossessed 1.7 times per game. He also has 2.7 bad touches per game which is higher than Lautaro's 2.2 figure.
Those are league stats btw.

I don't really like these basic statistics but it can show a trend sometimes. It's not like Lautaro tries to do more things with the ball than Kane, when you see both it's obvious that they get a similar amount of touches and time on the ball. Lautaro just tries to be fancier when he gets it which frustrates people. Not because he sucks at it, but because it is harder to pull off. And that's clearly a mental(ity) issue.

 

[Vertigo]

Harry Kane is overrated btw, could you come up with Lewandowski's ?

 

[brehme1989]

Lewa has 1.8 dribbles per game, 1.2 times dispossessed and 2.3 times he has a bad control.

Either way, these things don't show much because there's almost zero context involved and they're not equal opportunities like a sport such as Baseball provides which is what brought birth to this statistics frenzy.

 

[Adriano@10]

WHere are those stats from though? Like the dispossession stat has to be measured in a very weird way when lautaro losses the ball unnecessary at least 3/4 times a game. Only way thats fair is if they dont count his flicks that go directly to the opposition not as taking away possession from him.

Bottom line those stats are useless as anybody who ever seen thos 3 play more than 1 game for 90 mins could tell you that lautaro unnecessarily looses the ball and fucks up a good attack way more often then those other two guys there really is no comparison. And again the thing they are so much better at then lautaro is the decision making which is expected though due to the age difference.

Also what wera said since we played on the counter we had way more space and time when attacking against barca then what we have in serie A and sadly other than maybe the jube game will not have games like this in serie A. I d also suggest that this counter football with a lot of space was more in the mold of what he was used to in argentina hence he could play "his" game against barca and looked way more comfortable then he does in serie A.

Ayways i just hope this game calms him down a bit he needs to be more level headed and less rash with decisions when he s playing in serie a.

 

[Wallace]

Why are we even comparing him to Harry Kane in dribbling?

The suggestion here was he was close to the best, being not so far off than Elite.

Well from that you compare it to Neymar, Mbappe, Di Maria, Pepe, and then you say.....really? Stupid comparison, stupid suggestion, he’s not even half way there to the elite level. I certainly wouldn’t classify that as very good.

Above Icardi, yes. Above average, maybe.

 

[brehme1989]

There's a huge Kane fetish on this forum about everything he does so it felt like a fitting counter-example where Lautaro is criticized for almost everything.

 

[ADRossi]

There's a huge Kane fetish on this forum about everything he does so it felt like a fitting counter-example where Lautaro is criticized for almost everything.

The Kane fanclub on this forum is literally three people: wera, Monster, and me. But I still have to listen to disillusioned idiots tell me we could have made the UCL final last year if we would have beaten Spurs away

 

[brehme1989]

Who ever said that?

 

[Devious]

 

[forzainter257]

Why the hell hasn't he learned Italian?! What is this shit?

I don't speak Italian or Spanish, but is there a big difference between the two?
anyway it's not good that he still didn't learn Italian. Or maybe he speaks Italian, but not good enough for an interview?

 

[Wobblz]

I struggled for at least 30 seconds to decide whether the language that he was speaking was Italian with heavy Spanish pronunciation or just Spanish, the two languages couldn't be more similar. I mean, Lautaro just has no excuse for not even trying to speak even broken Italian. Compare this to someone like Lukaku that basically has learned Italian for fun because of his brother playing in Italy and he is actively using it now... This furthers the image in my head of Lautaro being a complete tool.

 

[brehme1989]

It's not easy for Spanish speakers to speak Italian and vice versa. The languages are structured in a way that makes it impossible to have confidence in speaking the other without constantly mixing words up. There are differences in vocabulary but that's not what is limiting this. Conjugations can be a bitch if you're not 100% comfortable with a language. I'm pretty sure he understands everything and can read, but breaking that speaking barrier does not come easy for most.

 

[Wobblz]

Easier to sort the differences than adopt an entirely new linguistic system, say Dutch if he was playing in the Netherlands... I've studied Russian, which is somewhat similar to Bulgarian in that way but the fact that they are similar gives you a good enough foundation for you to feel comfortable learning it, unlike if I was starting to learn Japanese, for example - you can just focus on what's different between the two. No excuses for Lautaro really. He is living and working in Italy after all and he has been here for two years already...

 

[wera]

To be fair, Kane has been really disappointing in front of goal this season, but the whole team is kinda off.

I don't see any Kane cult on FIF

 

[Gaindé]

I struggled for at least 30 seconds to decide whether the language that he was speaking was Italian with heavy Spanish pronunciation or just Spanish, the two languages couldn't be more similar. I mean, Lautaro just has no excuse for not even trying to speak even broken Italian. Compare this to someone like Lukaku that basically has learned Italian for fun because of his brother playing in Italy and he is actively using it now... This furthers the image in my head of Lautaro being a complete tool.

I'm sure he understands most of what's said in Italian but understanding it and even telling two, three words on the pitch is different from having to speak italian for a whole interview. For example, look at Alexis Sanchez interview when he signed, his italian was still a bit "broken" with a lot of spanish words in it or even Asamoah who has been in Serie A for over 10 years now, one year ago at his press conference. You could hear a bit of difficulty to build sentences, even D'ambrosio and Ranocchia were making fun of him on Instagram for his post being written in "too good" italian.

it's not that easy to be interviewed in a foreign language even if you understand the questions.