Lautaro Martinez

[Jusef]

Then It appears that this deal is done. Wonder if the replacement will be before after he is sold

 

[Linege]

since he wants to go, sell him to anyone but barcelona

 

[Il Drago]

According to Francesc Aguilar (MD editor), the agreement between Barcelona and Lautaro isn't something new. It was already reached back in February. The distance between Barcelona offer and Inter demands remains significant.

 

[FCBarca]

Advantageous position? Barcelona board have learned nothing from the Verratti/Rabiot/Neymar sagas. Having an agreement with the player means jack shit if you can't find an agreement with his team. Especially when he has 3 years left in his contract. Inter also had an agreement with Vidal in January but he's still at Barca.

No question Bartomeu et al run my club terribly, especially when it comes to transfers but apples & oranges - Bottomless pockets of the Qataris in Paris that can burn money out of boredom is not how businesses typically operate, even in football

Inter insisting on full fee while Barcelona refusing/unable - compromise likely as I have commented on all along since in most cases you do not want to keep players who want an exit. I still believe we'll be hearing something publicly from the player or his agent prior to a transfer to give the final push

 

[Il Drago]

It's not apples and oranges at all. It has been the case in football for years. Finding an agreement with the player means nothing if you can't find the agreement with the player. There have been many cases where the players didn't change clubs because the teams couldn't find an agreement. Real had an agreement with Ronaldo long before he eventually moved to Madrid. The Spanish media even claimed Man Utd were keeping Ronaldo a hostage at the time. Perisic had an agreement with Man Utd, he had requested a transfer but he ended up staying at Inter because Man Utd never met Inter demands. The notion from Catalunya Inter have to accept any Barcelona offer because they have the agreement with the player is deluded.

 

[FCBarca]

You're overselling it since it is not nothing but no question that an agreement with the player alone ultimately translates to no transfer without an agreement with the club. However, most clubs do not insist on keeping players who not only want to leave but already engage in an agreement with a different club.

It does not guarantee the move but it certainly applies pressure to the parent club, unless you have money to burn. Plus, no one suggested that Inter have to accept any offer - that's merely a simplistic interpretation because it isn't the extent of what Inter expect. Perisic is still gone from Inter as is Icardi. Same with CR. That's why, it's clear the end result will be the same - player will leave, simply a question of when & how much as I have said.

In the bigger picture though, I would agree that this sort of approach is not the ideal way to conduct football transfers. Should seek permission from club to talk to player and gauge interest & contract terms first and I suspect that was not the case here anymore than it was with Coutinho or Dembouz

 

[diamen]

well, Ousmane Dembele wanted to force his transfer to Barcelona and even refused to train, but Barca still paid 140 mln for him. Everyone knows that Bartomeu is a moron, so it's just matter of time and Inter has to wait for right offer.

 

[CafeCordoba]

Yes, and specially after that Ausilio statement, we should not budge. I have confidence to this management and they won't undersell Lautaro. I wouldn't sell him for nothing but 111m€ but I guess our management will accept 90-100m€ + player if the player is good for the team.

Bigger concern is Barcelona's financial situation. It's easy for Lautaro to understand if Barcelona don't have money to buy him, I don't see Lautaro sulking, refusing to train etc. and demanding transfer for lower fee while at the same time he'd get a monster contract from Barcelona.

FCBarca seems to have confidence Barcelona will find the money but I could guess that is a bit of hybris by your part. It's not far-fetched to think that COVID19 affects Barcelona big time and this might be the turning point of the club. They can't dominate with their financial status anymore, because there is no dominating financial status anymore. Costs have risen too high and bad decisions in recruiting blocks the management to overturn the situation because they cannot get rid of their error signings with an acceptable financial terms.

That could happen later also but this season with COVID19 might as well be the one. Messi has few superstar years left and they want to build one great squad for those years but COVID19 came and fucked up that plan.

 

[Il Drago]

You're overselling it since it is not nothing but no question that an agreement with the player alone ultimately translates to no transfer without an agreement with the club. However, most clubs do not insist on keeping players who not only want to leave but already engage in an agreement with a different club.

It does not guarantee the move but it certainly applies pressure to the parent club, unless you have money to burn. Plus, no one suggested that Inter have to accept any offer - that's merely a simplistic interpretation because it isn't the extent of what Inter expect. Perisic is still gone from Inter as is Icardi. Same with CR. That's why, it's clear the end result will be the same - player will leave, simply a question of when & how much as I have said.

In the bigger picture though, I would agree that this sort of approach is not the ideal way to conduct football transfers. Should seek permission from club to talk to player and gauge interest & contract terms first and I suspect that was not the case here anymore than it was with Coutinho or Dembouz

When I say it's nothing I don't mean it literally. Obviously it's important to have an agreement with the player but the most crucial part of the negotiation is reaching an agreement with his team. This is my general approach on transfers and it's also my approach when i read Inter have agreed terms with a player. Ok but it doesn't mean much unless they also find an agreement with his team.

Personally I don't have an issue with a team approaching the player first as long as they don't ask him to force the move via dirty tactics (e.g. skip trainings, fake an injury). It's illegal but everyone does it and it's the wise thing to do as you don't want to waste your time with a player who's not willing to join your team.

 

[YoramG]

It might be petty, but this is the bit that really gets me. 140m for Dembele, and we're being lowballed for Lautaro.

Like seriously, get to fuck.

 

[monster09]

well, Ousmane Dembele wanted to force his transfer to Barcelona and even refused to train, but Barca still paid 140 mln for him. Everyone knows that Bartomeu is a moron, so it's just matter of time and Inter has to wait for right offer.

Add Coutinho too. He missed training but still Liverpool didn't sell him. Then he had very good half season till Jan before Barca signed him for huge fee.

 

[Il Drago]

It might be petty, but this is the bit that really gets me. 140m for Dembele, and we're being lowballed for Lautaro.

Like seriously, get to fuck.

When you think of Dembele and Coutinho transfer fees you should also realise they had the money from Neymar sale to spend. Speaking of Barcelona financial situation, according to RAC1 Barcelona have asked from their players to take wage pay cuts again.

 

[nurko]

When you think of Dembele and Coutinho transfer fees you should also realise they had the money from Neymar sale to spend. Speaking of Barcelona financial situation, according to RAC1 Barcelona have asked from their players to take wage pay cuts again.

Yep, understandable, but that should be their problem, not Inter's.

 

[FCBarca]

Yes, and specially after that Ausilio statement, we should not budge. I have confidence to this management and they won't undersell Lautaro. I wouldn't sell him for nothing but 111m€ but I guess our management will accept 90-100m€ + player if the player is good for the team.

Bigger concern is Barcelona's financial situation. It's easy for Lautaro to understand if Barcelona don't have money to buy him, I don't see Lautaro sulking, refusing to train etc. and demanding transfer for lower fee while at the same time he'd get a monster contract from Barcelona.

FCBarca seems to have confidence Barcelona will find the money but I could guess that is a bit of hybris by your part. It's not far-fetched to think that COVID19 affects Barcelona big time and this might be the turning point of the club. They can't dominate with their financial status anymore, because there is no dominating financial status anymore. Costs have risen too high and bad decisions in recruiting blocks the management to overturn the situation because they cannot get rid of their error signings with an acceptable financial terms.

That could happen later also but this season with COVID19 might as well be the one. Messi has few superstar years left and they want to build one great squad for those years but COVID19 came and fucked up that plan.

You make it sound as if my club is teetering on the brink, sounds more like wishful thinking than grounded in reality. Every season there is speculation about this 'being the end', 'they have no money', 'Messi is done' etc and yet they acquire the players they target (Save Neymar's return - which is a blessing IMHO) irrespective of a clown board like the current one. If Lautaro wanted to shoot this rumour down, he could've done it anytime over last few months but has been silent during all the speculation and same for his agent. At anytime a statement that this player is happy, focused on Inter and going nowhere this summer...yet has not materialized. The absence of this is only proof that they have no interest in refuting the claims

I agree that I see it unlikely the player will take the nuclear route ala Coutinho & Dembele but this does not mean he will not speak out or apply pressure to Inter to make a compromise if his goal is indeed to pair with Leo which I think even a neutral can conclude

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When I say it's nothing I don't mean it literally. Obviously it's important to have an agreement with the player but the most crucial part of the negotiation is reaching an agreement with his team. This is my general approach on transfers and it's also my approach when i read Inter have agreed terms with a player. Ok but it doesn't mean much unless they also find an agreement with his team.

Personally I don't have an issue with a team approaching the player first as long as they don't ask him to force the move via dirty tactics (e.g. skip trainings, fake an injury). It's illegal but everyone does it and it's the wise thing to do as you don't want to waste your time with a player who's not willing to join your team.

No question although I still believe coming to terms with a player remains a fundamental aspect as well. Barca & Juve agreed on a move involving Arthur and player was clear to both clubs he wanted no part of it and that killed it dead. I also concur that I despise the tactics employed involving Coutinho & Dembele, it wasn't befitting Barca and absolutely the sort of BS I expect from clowns like Bartomeu & Rosell.

Ultimately I agree, the deal with Inter management is key since it's the only thing remaining although, again, that does not necessarily equate to a red line drawn on the 110M. A compromise is more probable IMHO

 

[CafeCordoba]

No one is expecting shooting down this rumor, because everyone knows that Lautaro wants to go to Barcelona. What was the point of pointing out this non-existent shooting down?

I hope and actually believe this management won't be blackmailed by the players' wishes. They surely want to sell unhappy player but on their terms and the terms seems to be close to the release clause price. I believe it will be hard for Barcelona to come up with even 80m€ cash offer and then they would have to add an important player (I don't even know who could it be) to the mix. They need to sell Coutinho for a good price, probably few other players too if and when Coutinho won't fetch good return, to make capital gains and slice the wages.

edit. I agree that the compromise is possible, but it has to look good for Inter, otherwise Ausilio would be eating his words. So it would have to be an important player + cash lesser than 110m€. Other aspect is who this important player is who is wanted by Inter and is willing to downgrade his club?

 

[FCBarca]

well, Ousmane Dembele wanted to force his transfer to Barcelona and even refused to train, but Barca still paid 140 mln for him. Everyone knows that Bartomeu is a moron, so it's just matter of time and Inter has to wait for right offer.

€105M, 42M were in contingency add ons based on appearances - up until now Dortmund have only seen 10M of that

 

[IRR26]

€105M, 42M were in contingency add ons based on appearances - up until now Dortmund have only seen 10M of that

Don't know for sure but I presume Dembele has not been anywhere close to that 105M worth fee either.

 

[FCBarca]

No one is expecting shooting down this rumor, because everyone knows that Lautaro wants to go to Barcelona. What was the point of pointing out this non-existent shooting down?

I hope and actually believe this management won't be blackmailed by the players' wishes. They surely want to sell unhappy player but on their terms and the terms seems to be close to the release clause price. I believe it will be hard for Barcelona to come up with even 80m€ cash offer and then they would have to add an important player (I don't even know who could it be) to the mix. They need to sell Coutinho for a good price, probably few other players too if and when Coutinho won't fetch good return, to make capital gains and slice the wages.

edit. I agree that the compromise is possible, but it has to look good for Inter, otherwise Ausilio would be eating his words. So it would have to be an important player + cash lesser than 110m€. Other aspect is who this important player is who is wanted by Inter and is willing to downgrade his club?

I believe leverage tilts in favor of player when they make it clear they want a move and agreement is already in place - then it's merely a question of what you are willing to put up with in terms of an unhappy star player. I think Moratti already spoke to that specifically

Sure, Inter could take the PSG approach but then you also make all future players carefully consider signing a contract at Inter going forward for fear of being locked down in a golden cage. Should be reasonable in the end, the terms - certainly for Inter who paid 23M from Racing 2 years ago. and also considering the COVID market

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Don't know for sure but I presume Dembele has not been anywhere close to that 105M worth fee either.

On potential, yes I would say but no question it's been a massive failure - is he truly injury prone or simply a poor professional who has to get it together. I know I am done with the player so would be happy to see him gone

 

[disait]

I believe leverage tilts in favor of player when they make it clear they want a move and agreement is already in place - then it's merely a question of what you are willing to put up with in terms of an unhappy star player. I think Moratti already spoke to that specifically

Sure, Inter could take the PSG approach but then you also make all future players carefully consider signing a contract at Inter going forward for fear of being locked down in a golden cage. Should be reasonable in the end, the terms - certainly for Inter who paid 23M from Racing 2 years ago. and also considering the COVID market

We shouldn't be bullied in to selling him for a discount at this point. We can keep him for two more years and he'll probably be worth as much as he is in this market. Us buying him for 23 million and it being a post-covid market doesn't matter at all. Your entitlement of our player is really bugging me.

Inter should make a statement. We should start telling our star players they can't leave, because we want to win and make this a club of stature again. The Moratti-Era is for and long gone. We must convince our players that we're a club who are going to compete at top level again. We can't keep that loser mentality forever. Us making a couple good signings and competing for the Scudetto next year can change his point of view. Either come to our terms ur forget about him for now. I still predict the downfall of this Barcelona, and the appeal of joining them in two years won't be as big as it is now.

 

[Luka]

Sure, Inter could take the PSG approach but then you also make all future players carefully consider signing a contract at Inter going forward for fear of being locked down in a golden cage. Should be reasonable in the end, the terms - certainly for Inter who paid 23M from Racing 2 years ago. and also considering the COVID market

We have no fuckin clue what's going on there. For all we know it could be the same case as with Dzeko who 1 day looked like certain to leave by everybody, and the next day he had a fuckin grin on his face when signing new contract like he just made his dream come true. Mertens was the same thing.

It seems like barca fans were living the golden years for past 10 years, but the recent years, especially the money in PSG and man city showed that the balance is not tilted to their favour completely.

It's very possible this deal will come through, but it's a long fucking way until it can happen and Inter does not have a player who is just dying to leave. Lukaku who was less grateful to man utd did not do anything to hinder on those negotiations between us and man utd.

Inter is the first club who brought Lautaro to Europe and we believed in him completely. He also never made an appearance as being a complete douche like icardi was (at least till now) so I really, really doubt he would be angry at Inter not selling him. Disappointed, yes, but not angry. He is an investment to the club and I'm sure he understands that we have to be happy with this deal too if it's about to go through.

If barca will not find the money, either to trigger the release clause, or make a very good offer adding some players we'd like, this deal will not go through imo. And that assumes Lautaro does not want to stay at Inter, i.e. it's not just an agent tactic to get as best new contract as possible which is very likely.