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People keep underrating football players. Robben was one of the most underrated players until he came to Bayern. And even then he lost two finals in one year and some people were saying he isn't a champion.

I feel Chiesa and Vlahović are getting the same unusual treatment right now. I'm actively hoping they go out of Juventus before Juventus figure things out and they start serially winning again.
LOL now this post is insulting robben.... Dude was a beast everywhere who the fuck says he s not a champion? Maybe some real fans but i thought we all agreed that him and sneijder only got kicked out cause their names were not big enough not cause they were not good enough...
Dude won everywhere he went and was a key player at all these clubs....

But seriously this is why i say they both are vastly overrated they are no where near fucken robben...
 

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Maybe Skelator doesn't know how to use Vlahovic properly and Chiesa, like Dybala, gets injured way to often to make a consistent impact.
 

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LOL now this post is insulting robben.... Dude was a beast everywhere who the fuck says he s not a champion? Maybe some real fans but i thought we all agreed that him and sneijder only got kicked out cause their names were not big enough not cause they were not good enough...
Dude won everywhere he went and was a key player at all these clubs....

But seriously this is why i say they both are vastly overrated they are no where near fucken robben...
Even FIF was very critical of Robben until Bayern won CL with him (us beating Bayern twice in two seasons didn't help). Dude was clearly one of the better wingers in the world.

This is my point - sometimes we put too much emphasis on winning and not enough on performance. Salah was clearly a very talented individual that wasn't at his best at Roma, but he was getting better every season. Chiesa when 100% fit is very good, no matter how much he has won. It's clear he'll be a menace (if fit) for the next 7, 8 seasons
 

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Robben's finishing was pretty bad around the time, when Inter won the CL. Later, he improved and became top player.
 

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and yet he was ballin' at the time, like the goal against Fiorentina

instead of being proud that we beat such good footballers, we talk shit about them

even Barcelona that had one of the best teams at the time, they didn't win everything, but beating them was a badge of honor fo sho


edit: I just wanna say that being a professional footballer is already a big thing - I even have certain respect for Frog, Nagatomo and Gags. But being a menace like Chiesa or Robben amongst professional players is whole another thing.
 

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Robben's finishing was pretty bad around the time, when Inter won the CL. Later, he improved and became top player.
Insane statement, considering 09/10 was probably Robbens best season in his entire career performance wise. Easily top 3 atleast.

If Robben wasnt a top player in 09/10 then i dont know who was.
 

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Robben was usually overlooked because of his injuries and diving acts.
 

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Even FIF was very critical of Robben until Bayern won CL with him (us beating Bayern twice in two seasons didn't help). Dude was clearly one of the better wingers in the world.

This is my point - sometimes we put too much emphasis on winning and not enough on performance. Salah was clearly a very talented individual that wasn't at his best at Roma, but he was getting better every season. Chiesa when 100% fit is very good, no matter how much he has won. It's clear he'll be a menace (if fit) for the next 7, 8 seasons
What again as i remember robben was a top 5 winger from the moment he joined RM he was an absolute beast at Chelsea... who the fuck were those people and have they ever seen him play? Also he led his NT to a WC final before he won a CL like wtf were these people smoking?
Dude is/was on a totally different level than Chiesa is and probably will ever bee chiesa does not even make th top 10 of any list what are we discussing here?

Also Salah really? Salah at roma was again way better way more productive the Chiesa has ever been in serie a Fucken salahs half a season in fiore was better more productive then any season chiesa ever had in serie a but sure same fucken thing...

If chiesa was not italian and did not have the last name he has nobody would talk about him like he s that huge fucken talent.
Just another player who ll have 3 beast games per season and be meh for the rest of it.

Side note Chiesa is 25 by that time Roben and salah were clearly Worldclass players...
Chiesa belongs into the cassano el sharawy category at best
 

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He doesn’t know how to set the team up to maximize their talent. Chiesa was the X factor in Italy’s Euro win. He is a dynamic player. Vlahovic has already shown what he can do when he’s in an attacking system. Let’s hope they sell Vlahovic before they change coach.
 

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This is a very interesting discussion but it's not the right thread to have it. It's getting off topic.
Yeah sorry about that. Should we take this to Flamers paradise? Maybe a new thread there?
 

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He doesn’t know how to set the team up to maximize their talent. Chiesa was the X factor in Italy’s Euro win. He is a dynamic player. Vlahovic has already shown what he can do when he’s in an attacking system. Let’s hope they sell Vlahovic before they change coach.

Well, I disagree. Chiesa was pretty damn good with gobbi's jersey before he picked up that heavy injury which affected his game significiantly. You could see that he's not the same player anymore and that has nothing to do with Allegri. It could be a mental breakdown, lack of confidence or whatever but I even predicted that he may not be the same agile player he was before injury. Of course we are talking about a Chiesa whom was a gobbi player at that time.

I'm not sure if you have seen Vlahovic's performance with Serbia NT as well? The guy has been an utter disappointment. For example Mitrovic whom is rather a lower profile player than Vlahovic, he was still better in almost every aspect of the game. I do admit that some players can't succeed properly under a particular coach or their regime but to say that Vlahovic and Chiesa aren't good enough because of Allegri is a cheap excuse to me.

Then again, gobbi has huge problems in their club as a whole, and a change of coach won't solve anything. It may bring some positive results in a short-term but the problem is bigger than that IMO. Something like honeymoon, once it's done then you get back into reality again.

ps. Sorry for going off-topic in Lautaro's thread, you might as well move posts to the proper thread.
 

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He doesn’t know how to set the team up to maximize their talent. Chiesa was the X factor in Italy’s Euro win. He is a dynamic player. Vlahovic has already shown what he can do when he’s in an attacking system. Let’s hope they sell Vlahovic before they change coach.
LOL chiesa was the X factory in that euro win gimme a fucken break I rest my case highly overrated cunt of a player 2 goals and 0 assist as a winger in 7 gaes but he was the X factor...

Sorry last ot post by me
 

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LOL chiesa was the X factory in that euro win gimme a fucken break I rest my case highly overrated cunt of a player 2 goals and 0 assist as a winger in 7 gaes but he was the X factor...

Sorry last ot post by me
Chiesa was our best player in the final against England and scored our only goal in the semi final against Spain.

Anyway, Lautaro. If Real Madrid comes after him we're screwed.
 

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Chiesa was our best player in the final against England and scored our only goal in the semi final against Spain.

Anyway, Lautaro. If Real Madrid comes after him we're screwed.
He and Spina were the only two holding our attack together
 

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Chiesa was fantastic player before injury. I would swap LuLa combined for prime Chiesa.
 

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Chiesa was fantastic player before injury. I would swap LuLa combined for prime Chiesa.
You would swap 50 goals per season for fucking Chiesa? The guy that had like 2 good seasons in his whole career and who will never play on that level again. Oh and hes also a giant cunt.
 

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You would swap 50 goals per season for fucking Chiesa? The guy that had like 2 good seasons in his whole career and who will never play on that level again. Oh and hes also a giant cunt.
Lol, I agree he is cunt, but he was unstoppable two seasons ago and had potential way beyond Lautaro or Lukaku. But that was two years ago, he looks now nowhere near that level.
 

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Lol, I agree he is cunt, but he was unstoppable two seasons ago and had potential way beyond Lautaro or Lukaku. But that was two years ago, he looks now nowhere near that level.

Do you even remember that Lukaku break into the first team as 16 year old? He was banging goals here and there at a very young age and was seen as a VERY hot prospect. They are different players, but at his time Lukaku was also quite a popular name.

Lautaro was always an elegant player with incredible technique. Chiesa might have started his career in a more difficult league but he will never have Lautaro's brilliance. Chiesa is a fast, agile and hard working player but if we are about to compare elegance between both players and also consistency then Lautaro has a superior advantage. One might not disagree with me, but every player has a period of bad form and everything else.

Lautaro hardly gets injured, doesn't depend on less important matches to shine and ect. Chiesa managed to perform really well in top quality level as well, but he wasn't as consistent as Lautaro is for example, and he will probably never be as good as he was pre-injury.

To each on his own but honestly I think Lautaro would have been even better player had he played in a more competitive team.
 

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Insane statement, considering 09/10 was probably Robbens best season in his entire career performance wise. Easily top 3 atleast.

If Robben wasnt a top player in 09/10 then i dont know who was.
It's my personal opinion. I didn't watch too much of Robben that season. Only his matches in CL after the group stage, and the WC. Robben missed enough clear chances in those games, and for me this is not top class for an attacker.
 
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