Lazio - Inter (16 Feb 20) [2-1]

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What I'd say is I definitely disagree about us losing this game because of attitude.

No need for an instant reply, it can wait a day or two. It's no competition.

As for why I think it's an attitude issue:

Lazio has Scudetto aspirations out of nowhere, so their fans are having this electric atmosphere. Stadium is packed for the first time in 20 years. So for them it's really on. A big game. For us, well, it didn't appar so much. We lacked urgency and didn't match their desire to win this. And we're both, at this stage in mid-February, 3 months before the end of the season and 6 months in it, going for the same thing. We should have shown more desire. Especially after a mid-week home defeat in a winnable competition.

I don't believe that you disagree that Barcelona and Juventus games were displays of pathetic attitude from our end.

I cannot blame the Roma, Fiorentina or Atalanta games on attitude. Those are part of the schedule, shit happens, call it whatever you want.

But this game should have been treated like a cup final and instead we had a defensive line that was shaking all over, a midfield that was disjointed and an offensive line that had no will to attack.

It's a cliche, but "we didn't really want the win" as coaches like to say. We were ready to settle for a draw before kick off.
 

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I know we get fucked over a lot anyway, but most teams, especially Lazio won't stop whining and will have all their players rush the referee which kinda forces them into checking VAR and giving decisions in their favor. Inzaghi, even when Lazio have all the decisions given for them, still finds a way to complain to the media about the 1 foul that was a 50/50 given against them.

I feel like we just take it on the chin because we're so used to it and move on after 1 second of protests by 2 players.
S. Inzaghi, is hands down, the biggest whiner douche coach from all coaches.
 

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I am not going to write too much about this game. At the moment, I am seething.

At the best of times, these direct opponent/rival games and top of the table clashes are determined at the margins. Unfortunately for us, Handanovic got injured and Padelli is not up to standard. If you look at the replays of the goals we conceded today, he was always a step behind the play, responding and intrvening too late. In many respects, he was beaten as soon as the ball was struck. When the season is done, we will look back on this crucial stage of the season with regret because we lost our Captain and difference maker which has complicated and cost us in every game that we have played without Handanovic. Our defending from set pieces (corners) is horrific and the our defence in those moments is shambolic. I think we take Handanovic and his safe hand for granted and our defence with Padelli in goals is not the same because he is shaky and does not convey confidence.

Personally, I think Lazio are better placed than Inter to challenge Juventus for the Scudetto. Crucially, they have already beaten Juventus which is something that we are yet to do and I do not see it happening in Turin when we meet them next month. Also, they have no European commitments so they have a full week to prepare for their games which is an important factor that is hugely in their favour and against both Inter and Juventus.

I also think there is a problem with our mentality. The team simply do not know how to handle a lead in blockbusster games when it is most needed. How many times have we lost games when leading by a goal this season? I do not think it has anything to do with our formation and has everything to do with the fact that we are almost surprised at leading in important games as opposed to having the ability to control matches.

The only other thought I have is that Godin was also a step behind the game for the duration that he was on the pitch. I do not care how experienced he is. He is a shit liability and I hope he will not be around next season.

Lastly, SMS is a beast. He absolutely bossed and controlled the midfield. That is the kind of presence and footballer our midfield so dearly lacks.
 
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It would be an absolute humiliation if Lazio ends up being higher up in the standings than Inter in the end.

Good thing is there are plenty of matches left to turn this around.
 

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I am not going to write too much about this game. At the moment, I am seething.

At the best of times, these direct opponent/rival games and top of the table clashes are determined at the margins. Unfortunately for us, Handanovic got injured and Padelli is not up to standard. If you look at the replays of the goals we conceded today, he was always a step behind the play, responding and intrvening too late. In many respects, he was beaten as soon as the ball was struck. When the season is done, we will look back on this crucial stage of the season with regret because we lost our Captain and difference maker which has complicated and cost us every game. Our defending from set pieces (corners) is horrific and the our defence in those moments is shambolic.

Personally, I think Lazio are better placed than Inter to challenge Juventus for the Scudetto. Crucially, they have already beaten Juventus which is something that we are yet to do and I do not see it happening in Turin when we meet them next month.

The only other thought I have is that Godin was also a step behind the game for the duration that he was on the pitch. I do not care how experienced he is. He is a shit liability and I hope he will not be around next season.

Lastly, SMS is a beast. He absolutely bossed and controlled the midfield. That is the kind of presence and footballer our midfield so dearly lacks.


That for me is the biggest problem for us this last decade and especially in our successful seasons - under Mancini,Spalletti and now Conte.Your gk should not be a difference maker and yet under each coach in every game without fail we have needed Handa to bail us out with god like saves atleast once.How can we have Scudetto pretensions when every game our defense gets carved up like knife through butter atleast once?

The difference maker should imo be the striker or a star midfielder but defo not the GK but that is how it has been at Inter.It is a shame and really puzzling.Not saying the GK shouldn't be that important or anything but just that he shouldn't be somebody who every game needs to be a star and sadly Handa has needed to be that almost every game without fail.And to think we have supposed "world class" defenders and a coach who is well versed in the art of defense :chan:.

Oh and fuck Rocchi that cunt wanted to fuck both sets of players with his demeanour.
 

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S. Inzaghi, is hands down, the biggest whiner douche coach from all coaches.
He is. But he proved to be a better and faster learner than Spalletti or Conte. He avoids being beaten twice. In a matter of three years he managed to beat Juve, win something and now he managed to beat Inter.
 

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Irregardless of the result, I was satisfied with our first half, mainly because we had managed to remain compact on the field and not to give Lazio spaces to attack in transition. As a consequence, most of their plays had resulted in shots from outside the box or crosses from the flanks. Sure, they could have scored inside the first ten minutes, but that would have been the result of a moment of brilliance by Milinkovic and that goes beyond tactics. I was particularly pleased because Lazio didn't seem to show the same tactical discipline, letting themselves being caught on the counter on several occasions (one of which led to our goal). The plan for the second half was simple: stay focussed, maintain the distances between the lines, let them come forward and be ready to spring forward whenever they turn the ball over.

Unfortunately, we conceded almost immediately, and the plan went down the drain. I must say that I'm a bit sorry because he's an interista and all, but Padelli has been dreadful so far. If you also consider the game against milan, he basically had to face seven shots requiring a more than decent level of goalkeeping skills. 4 went past him (3 of which almost comically), 2 hit the woodwork and one he saved. Moreover, he really doesn't transmit a sense of confidence to his defenders. How many times have we seen him leave the goal to go punch away/collect a ball only to be beaten to it by a defender? Either he doesn't "call" it (lack of communication) or they simply don't trust him to do his job. Today's first goal was the result of one of those short circuits, with Skriniar trying to clear the ball away with a lunging volley and both Godin and de Vrij forced to resort to desperate measures in order to protect the empty goal.

As I said above, our midfield was better than theirs in the first half in terms of collective organisation, but lost intensity as the game went on. Saying that Lazio dominated us is a ridiculous statement. Our lead lasted too little for us to really take advantage of it, and afterwards the game was pretty much on a balance until they found the second goal which, again, was the result of a scrappy play inside our box. Then came Conte's subs, which I found highly questionable to say the least. Especially considering that we ended up playing Barella as RCB and that Brozovic was subbed off despite being arguably our best player until that moment (it was either him or Young). Eriksen inspired two chances in his brief time on the pitch, but often seemed to walk nonchalantly about the field when the moment required a much more energetic approach. In fact, I'm really disappointed at how the team looked disheartened and almost resigned to the defeat in the final 10 minutes. Shocking. And unacceptable. Vecino and Candreva had their usual games: some good plays alternated with some asinine ones. Moses hardly had any time to do anything.

Lukaku had an overall decent game, especially with regards to link-up play. On a few occasions, though, his teammates didn't look like they were on the same wavelength. Lautaro had a few good plays, but was generally very off. Alexis was given only 5 minutes and played kilometres away from Lazio's goal. Hard to expect anything from him under such premises.
 

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People need to stop bitching about the refereeing today.
Grow some balls.
That’s not why we lost today.
 

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People need to stop bitching about the refereeing today. Grow some balls.
That’s not why we lost today.

So much this!

We had many flaws in our game and in our attitude/composure. It seem we couldn't handle the pressure the Olimpico was putting on. We need to be more aggressive and decisive.

And we need to start learning to defend. We are so vulnerable time to time. Like that Luis Alberto -> Immobile pass and receiving the ball. Our CBs there got left totally with dicks in their hands. And obviously those clusterfucks in both goals. We need to fix the culture of fucking up clearances, not being strong near our goal / inside our box. We need to make that ground our own.

I'm so missing the times of Mourinho when our defence was really sturdy. Hopefully this comes with time, we seriously need better defending (from the whole team).
 

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People need to stop bitching about the refereeing today.
Grow some balls.
That’s not why we lost today.

On top of which, if you want to protest the penalty call, I won't stop you, but the events that allowed for it to happen were entirely self-inflicted because our CB's and Padelli can't get on the same page. I understand they don't work together very much, and that more than anything else has been our biggest problem the last three games - communication - but fact is Padelli and Skriniar getting their lines crossed kept the play alive and keeping it alive eventually allowed for a chance for Rocchi to call a penalty. We created the possibility; maybe it's the reason why I'm not pissed off about the call. It should've never had the possibility of happening to begin with.

It's happened in all three games and these errors of communication need to stop ASAP.
 

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We will continue to be plagued by communication issues between keeper and defence until Handanovic returns.
 

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Irregardless of the result, I was satisfied with our first half, mainly because we had managed to remain compact on the field and not to give Lazio spaces to attack in transition. As a consequence, most of their plays had resulted in shots from outside the box or crosses from the flanks. Sure, they could have scored inside the first ten minutes, but that would have been the result of a moment of brilliance by Milinkovic and that goes beyond tactics. I was particularly pleased because Lazio didn't seem to show the same tactical discipline, letting themselves being caught on the counter on several occasions (one of which led to our goal). The plan for the second half was simple: stay focussed, maintain the distances between the lines, let them come forward and be ready to spring forward whenever they turn the ball over.

Unfortunately, we conceded almost immediately, and the plan went down the drain. I must say that I'm a bit sorry because he's an interista and all, but Padelli has been dreadful so far. If you also consider the game against milan, he basically had to face seven shots requiring a more than decent level of goalkeeping skills. 4 went past him (3 of which almost comically), 2 hit the woodwork and one he saved. Moreover, he really doesn't transmit a sense of confidence to his defenders. How many times have we seen him leave the goal to go punch away/collect a ball only to be beaten to it by a defender? Either he doesn't "call" it (lack of communication) or they simply don't trust him to do his job. Today's first goal was the result of one of those short circuits, with Skriniar trying to clear the ball away with a lunging volley and both Godin and de Vrij forced to resort to desperate measures in order to protect the empty goal.

As I said above, our midfield was better than theirs in the first half in terms of collective organisation, but lost intensity as the game went on. Saying that Lazio dominated us is a ridiculous statement. Our lead lasted too little for us to really take advantage of it, and afterwards the game was pretty much on a balance until they found the second goal which, again, was the result of a scrappy play inside our box. Then came Conte's subs, which I found highly questionable to say the least. Especially considering that we ended up playing Barella as RCB and that Brozovic was subbed off despite being arguably our best player until that moment (it was either him or Young). Eriksen inspired two chances in his brief time on the pitch, but often seemed to walk nonchalantly about the field when the moment required a much more energetic approach. In fact, I'm really disappointed at how the team looked disheartened and almost resigned to the defeat in the final 10 minutes. Shocking. And unacceptable. Vecino and Candreva had their usual games: some good plays alternated with some asinine ones. Moses hardly had any time to do anything.

Lukaku had an overall decent game, especially with regards to link-up play. On a few occasions, though, his teammates didn't look like they were on the same wavelength. Lautaro had a few good plays, but was generally very off. Alexis was given only 5 minutes and played kilometres away from Lazio's goal. Hard to expect anything from him under such premises.

100% agreed.

The first half was excellent. I was thoroughly impressed at how we came to Rome and played with authority. We didn't let the occasion get to us and we defended with composure.

The second half was a complete turnaround and a total sucker punch. The team let themselves down with that second 45 minutes.

I do agree that we weren't particularly tormented for the most part. Both their goals came from odd circumstances.

On individuals: it saddens me to say that Skriniar still looks like a complete clown in this 3 man defence. There was a moment in the first half where there was a high ball in a relatively non-threatening situation. While waiting for it to come down, Skriniar paced forward, then kind of skipped back, then made another move towards it, paused, then eventually let it bounce in the space between himself and Milikovic-Savic. The whole time I was watching him just thinking, "...what the fuck are you doing?"

He's been shaky ever since we changed to this formation, but his hesitation and insecurity has been absolutely palpable these last two games against Lazio and Milan. It bothers me to see him getting physically dominated by the likes of SMS and a 46 year old Ibrahimovic. I find myself drawing unhelpful mental comparisons of Skriniar being bullied by Ibrahimovic, and of Lucio/Samuel absolutely demolishing these physical beasts like a prime Ibrahimovic and Drogba.

As for Padelli, I've tried to be rational and realistic in my thoughts towards him, but the truth is harsh - as are the reality and demands of top, top level football. You can argue that many keepers wouldn't have saved the goals against Napoli or the ones we conceded today. I'd say that the best keepers always have this intangible ability to occasionally make great saves, and you just don't have that same chance with Padelli. They might've been difficult shots, but Ibrahimovic, Ruiz and SMS's goals were all saveable. (Let's not even speak of Rebic's goal.)

Feel free to disagree, but what everyone can agree on is that the defenders don't trust him and there is a clear unease whenever Padelli is called into action. It's as if the whole stadium is waiting for him to make a mistake. Everyone can feel it. To make matters worse, this distrust or lack of communication directly leads to bullshit like their penalty.

A similar incident happened in the first half with de Vrij making an unnecessary clearance due to either a lack of communication from Padelli, or a lack of dependability. Speaking of de Vrij, I thought he had a very good first half. In the final 30 minutes of the game, he started falling apart but it's not right to point the finger at him as a primary culprit. I did feel though, that he didn't involve himself with as much "playmaking" as he usually does. Normally, he likes to bring the ball out of defence or play long balls, but there was almost none of that today. Perhaps that was due to some mental pressure from the Lazio fans howling at his every touch.

I thought Godin was generally very good in the first half with the exception of a few missed passes. As the second half went on though, like de Vrij and Skriniar, his confidence and solidity started dissolving. When he got subbed off, I noticed him covering his mouth while having a few pissed-off words, and he was visibly annoyed as he took his seat on the bench. It wasn't great to see a guy of his experience and quality being so affected mentally.

Lukaku did pretty well for the most part. Perhaps lacking a tiny bit of sharpness, but he was one of the last people to blame for today. Lautaro was close to invisible. Seems the suspension has derailed his momentum a little bit.

The midfielders were all generally OK, especially in the first half. I thought that Barella was arguably the most disappointing of the 3. As I mentioned in another thread, Barella seemed to complain and throw his hands up in frustration much more today than I'd previously noticed. I felt Brozovic was easily the best of the midfield trio so it was highly confusing to see him subbed off. IMO we needed his anchoring role in the last part of the game.

That brings me to Conte who I'm disappointed in I must say. He deserves some credit for the great first half. And while Padelli's inadequacies aren't his fault, he was too slow and too passive once again. It's strange how Conte differs so wildly from game to game. In some games he takes initiative and makes proactive, bold changes and throws down the gauntlet at opponent coaches. In other matches, he seems paralyzed and he seems afraid to touch the match in any way, as if it were a delicately balanced glass vase. Seems that in the latter case, he doesn't realise soon enough that the vase is either already broken, or in mid air falling to the ground. His subs were too late and once more, his refusal to tweak his setup cost us. Switching Godin and Skriniar and playing Barella as the RB/RCB is the best you can do? Come on.

Now we have a tricky game in Bulgaria of all places. From what I've read here, Ludogorets completely stroll through their domestic league (they've won 8 leagues in a row) so they absolutely live for European nights. With our current form of two consecutive losses, our injuries and inability to rotate, that game provides a much trickier test than we might think. I like to believe this team has moved on from previous seasons where we would black out for months. At the same time I live with one eye over my shoulder, knowing that we're prone to bouts of insanity. Let's say I still completely expect convincing wins against Ludogorets and Samp, but I wouldn't be surprised to see some "typical" Inter bullshit either.

Ultimately, we're still only 3 points off 1st place. This team still has another chance yet to make up for it's sins. We go to juve in 2 weeks. It is the sternest test of all, but at least we have that chance.
 

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We replace Our captain, best player, best goalkeeper with Serie B level GK :yao:

What a time to fuck up:eek:blivious:

At last we know Ashley Young is Maicon regen . :notbad:
 

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Next season, get a proper backup GK. I'm not blaming Padelli here.

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Next season, get a proper backup GK. I'm not blaming Padelli here.
 

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Waiting for conte to be an actual fucking tactician. Dude can only change personnel or in desparation, change the whole formation. Today he got schooled by Inzaghi tactically.

Lautaro pressing opponents has been a huge thing for us? Totally phased out because lucas didn't bring the ball up; they moved that to alberto, who dropped deeper and on kaku's side, because lazy ass kaku does not press opponents consistently like lm10 does. LM10 totally absent in the 1st half because he can't cause havoc/chaos troubling the opponent.

Killed all our WB-to-center-forward angled entry passes. How many did you see today? Ball from wide into the first CF, who then dummies or flicks to the other CF? I can't remember many (maybe zero).

Nulified barella all game unless it was a pure counter. When we start to buildup and move the CMs wide, they went hard to press the WBs to cut off that supply. Totally shut our buildup down. All the while STILL IN THEIR 3-5-2 formation.

Why the fuck can't Conte make tactical changes within the same 3-5-2?




We lost to a team with 4 good players; acerbi, SMS, alberto, immobile. People whine about our WBs and depth, yet they're playing against us with fucking Jony and Marusic :palm:

We lucky as fuck immobile didn't put away that sweet ass turn he put down in the 2nd half. Think it was skrin & deV who got skinned alive. That would've been cherry-on-top embarrasment for us.
 

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Lucas is actually a good player - I would put him in that list. Not world class but as a defensive midfielder he actually does his job fairly well.

It was Godin and De Vrij who got skinned at the end O believe.
 

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Calm down everybody, Lazio will shit themselves in this "scudetto race" of theirs.
They are shitters, just like us.
 

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Calm down everybody, Lazio will shit themselves in this "scudetto race" of theirs.
They are shitters, just like us.

They're shitters until they aren't.
 

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Lucas is actually a good player - I would put him in that list. Not world class but as a defensive midfielder he actually does his job fairly well.

It was Godin and De Vrij who got skinned at the end O believe.

Lucas is a cunt. The way he was smiling after fouling and getting away with it for the upteenth time made me want to punch him in the head.
 
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