Leonardo

[il Biscione 84]

I think he meant is that results made some people overlook those tactical similarities and how they aren't criticizing Leo for having such tactics while Rafa was consistently criticized about it. I guess to summerize, he meant results can hide negative aspects.

Hell why am I typing this, I gotta stop playing the nosey mf role in between. :irritate:

 

[Djorkaeff6]

FIRE LEO!

 

[il Biscione 84]

FIRE LEO!

You serious dude?!

 

[blackmore]

I smell desperation.... Blackmore fetch

no way passed it dude...a narc will always be that, i have come to the conclusion that he knows nothing of what he is talking about. maybe we should just be silent and maybe it will go away. i mean every one cannot "not understand" him right?

anyway...its one loss out of six guys, lets not get carried away. lets have a little bit of support for our guys here. even jose fucked up against smalerl teams when he was deep into his tenure here. and udi aint reeally classified as a small team.

im surprised by how some ppl here can turn on leo so quickly. this is a sport where the ball is round and anything can happen. individual mistakes can turn the game around in an instance, and thats what happened last night.

to stef, azz, cc. delaurentis, skeet, bahar and the rest ive missed.....fuck you guys, you just dont get it

 

[mario.santon]

Could be. Only time will tell.

He really suprised me (positively) with our first games, and seems that the lesser games we might do well. I'm looking anxiously to what we'll do against Bayern. We have to play smart this tie (trying to play deffensive + countering one leg, or even both).

I think Napoli's game is quite big... if we look at the table, it should be a more difficult game... but it was a home game as well.
Yeah, I agree with you.. to play defensive to save energy.., but to Leo probably he needs to learn to deploy such a team

 

[cloudq]

bah, our defense was never going to keep udinese out.

i expected a bit more from eto'o, dropping deeper and running at defenders more often, but even king africa can have a bad game every now and again.

pandev was crap, bia was crap. leo should've packed the midfield and turned it into a trench war, but he's a football romantic that needs to learn a thing or two about pragmatism

 

[thatdude]

To me Luka is right. Leo is doing a lot of the same things as Rafa tactically. The main difference is the players willingness and belief. You guys can hate him all you want, but Luka is probably the most consistently well thought out poster on this forum. Even though his Balotelli rants were at times draining to say the least.

Our fixture schedule is going to get worse before it gets better. Need to find a way to get Rannochia and Mariga playing. Perfect chance wednesday.

 

[CafeCordoba]

To me Luka is right. Leo is doing a lot of the same things as Rafa tactically. The main difference is the players willingness and belief. You guys can hate him all you want, but Luka is probably the most consistently well thought out poster on this forum. Even though his Balotelli rants were at times draining to say the least.

Our fixture schedule is going to get worse before it gets better. Need to find a way to get Rannochia and Mariga playing. Perfect chance wednesday.

But if Leo does the same things and it works, why should we criticize that? I don't really get it. Why should we be consisent with this like Luka said? Rafa couldn't get the things working but Leo could. (result-wise, we have still some problems in our game). If things don't work, change something. Rafa didn't do this but insisted on going on with same the ideas even if the whole world saw it doesn't work. Leo does the same and it works (to some extent) so why should we criticize? (we should at some extent, but his win-ratio is supreme compared to Rafa)

 

[Trippi]

To me Luka is right. Leo is doing a lot of the same things as Rafa tactically. The main difference is the players willingness and belief. You guys can hate him all you want, but Luka is probably the most consistently well thought out poster on this forum. Even though his Balotelli rants were at times draining to say the least.

Our fixture schedule is going to get worse before it gets better. Need to find a way to get Rannochia and Mariga playing. Perfect chance wednesday.

There must be some reason why none of the players gave willingness and belief to Rafa and most of them seem to be giving to Leo.

And by the way that is a coachs responsibility that players give him support and consistently throughout. If it was all upto players then there is no difference in any of the coaches around.

 

[Djorkaeff6]

You serious dude?!

:trollface:

 

[Azzkikr]

A Luka fanboy, now ive seen it all.

That alone warrants a place on my ignore list tbh.

 

[thatdude]

But if Leo does the same things and it works, why should we criticize that? I don't really get it. Why should we be consisent with this like Luka said? Rafa couldn't get the things working but Leo could. (result-wise, we have still some problems in our game). If things don't work, change something. Rafa didn't do this but insisted on going on with same the ideas even if the whole world saw it doesn't work. Leo does the same and it works (to some extent) so why should we criticize? (we should at some extent, but his win-ratio is supreme compared to Rafa)

I understand where your coming from. Leo must be praised for the things that he has gotten right. He has basically gotten Mourinho type commitment out of the players. Commitment and motivation should be the top thing on any coaches list. Credit to Leo for doing something so simple so right. However, I think what Luka was trying to say is that he has not been some type of revelation tactically. Yes he is playing a more balanced formation (partly due to necessity) and most of our players have returned from injury. (Injuries were probably Rafa's fault as well) Nevertheless we are still not playing a deep line and were still playing a more possession based game. Barring the Udinese game so far it has worked. You could even argue that defensively we worked against Udinese, seeing as all the goals we've been conceding have come from set pieces. What I question is what we do when we come against these bigger more organized teams. Do we continue to play this way or shift back in to our more rigid ways. I know Leo is not nearly as hard headed as Rafa and will be more likely to see a problem and address it immediately. So we will see how things go, Bayern game should be a good test even though they haven't been lighting the world up this season.

 

[Omar]

Guyz, have democracy.. Stop ur ignore stories.. If we dont agree, then we have different p.o.vs.. It Doesnt have to mean that one side is totally wrong and the other is totally right.. Accept the other, dont miss the respect.. U'r ruining the threads through the whole forum.

Back to The topic..
Brad talked about some turnover and no one commented on it..
I would agree with him considering all the current conditions..

Lets ALL a little play down attacking Leonardo.. Even if he doesnt make a miraculous impact to the whole season, i believe in him as a long-term project.. 5 consecutive wins & 1 big-match loss IS JUST HIS START WITH US.. better results will come.. Give him time and space to build the right ideas..

Tbh, 5 wins in a row after that Rafa half-season nightmare is already a miraculous immediate impact.. Keep the faith.. More matches will show Leo's abilities to improve the situation [not necesserly the results], to adapt with our demands [he already adapted with the management's policy], and to compete at all fronts..
Just dont rush things up in less than a month..

 

[thatdude]

A Luka fanboy, now ive seen it all.

That alone warrants a place on my ignore list tbh.

What makes me a "fanboy"? The fact that I agree with him? Or the part in my post where I actually call him out for something I disliked? Maybe I got the definition wrong but I thought fanboy implied unconditional love.

 

[La Brujita]

If you boil it down, it's very simple.

Leo's approach mostly works but has some problems.

Rafa's approach doesn't work at all and never changed it.

How is this similar? I haven't seen us getting caught time after time on the high line. Yesterday Udinese's formation was better, and they had forwards that pressed so high that we couldn't get the ball forward much. If Leo dropped Pandev for Obi I think we might've had a good chance to win this, but we didn't, and we lost miserably.

Anyway, I never believed in Rafa's approach to things. His press handling was awful at best, his man-management was that of a Human Resource manager. He looks at players like tools not humans. And his formation looked like he tried to expose our weaknesses. I don't get why would anyone still defend that guy.

Leo's motivation worked 5 games so far, let's see if he can at least be a decent tactician to lead us to Scudetto.

Also, one of the things I don't like abut this Inter, is how we seem to be so aggressive in the first 20 minutes, score a goal or two then be horrible for the next 20 minutes.

 

[8ballmjg]

He not good enough to coach us even if we with the scudetto...

 

[vitomins]

If you boil it down, it's very simple.

You can boil it down even simpler:

10 goals allowed in 6 matches is wayyyy too much...even Rafa's crazy tactics allowed 4 less goals in his first 6 matches with us...

So either Walter Samuel is the most important player on our team, or we have to make some adjustments...Maybe it is both?

 

[Sid]

You can boil it down even simpler:

10 goals allowed in 6 matches is wayyyy too much...even Rafa's crazy tactics allowed 4 less goals in his first 6 matches with us...

So either Walter Samuel is the most important player on our team, or we have to make some adjustments...Maybe it is both?

tht is troubling considering most of them came from set pieces other than tht our defense is not tht horrible...our midfield is more free and flowing for sure but tht is how we've been scoring a lot too..

Samuel IS important and so is julione....right now I'm waiting for julione to come back and frog to become our regular CB....I have a feeling we'll be conceding less goals after tht..


@la brujita ...the part you mentioned where we would start out hitting the opponent quickly then relaxing I think its to score as many goals as we can quickly as possible since we need to grab those 3 points and not tire the players out since they have to play a game every 3 days.
Yesterday's game was mostly due to the fact palmdev and biabiany were utterly and completely useless....luca lost his head like those 2...cordoba should be benched we need to let frog play or else what was the point in getting him?
The good thing from yesterday's loss now the management know we need a striker immediately and will get one this week:thumbsup:

 

[Sid]

"The three big problems of the interaction of Leonardo"

Pandev Biabiany CASTELLAZZI


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[Omar]

Castellazzi replacing Cesar isn't a big problem..
but the strikers are.. alongside the defensive leaks..........

1- if Leonardo is going to stick with the 4312 formation:
a) both Pandev and Biabiany should adjust asap to their new recruiting positions (CFs), or at least acquire one more striker to the first team
b) Leo must enhance the defensive mentality esp when the team goes scoring early and miss out defending setpieces..
c) if the players lack physical fitness to keep up with so many matches, some turnovers could be useful as we have good subs in all fields

2- i suggest he gives up that formation..
a) it's too defensive and exhausting.. and requires many adjustments..
b) the more offensive formation the less u receive goals as u push on the rival and prevent many setpieces granted for the rival team..
c) the less the demands of the midfield\sidebacks to go forward and score.. thus they spend less energy attacking and their defensive pressing becomes more vital

if Leonardo is seeking a possession strategy, the 4312 formation isn't much helpful, as it exhausts the midfield at most and thankfully our sub-forwards aren't good at keeping possession, the ball reaches them and goes to the other team.. then becomes the other problem, winning the ball back.. the midfield players are already tired to press on to take the ball, they're obliged to commit fouls and grant setpieces..
as i said, it's all wrong with using the 4312.. it needs a lot of adjustments and requires more workrate which is something u can't get from exact 12 players (11+Pandev) whose fitness and age don't help much esp with this full schedule situation..

Luka got some things right, Rafa did approach a possession strategy with a high workrate using 4213 formation, and the high defense line which is also mostly applied by Leo..
the tactical comparison isn't important atm.. but Leo's tactics analysis is

we really lack a decent striker to play alongside Eto when Milito is out injured and when we're playing 4312.. this is added to the previous issues.. as i said, imo, it's being used all wrong.. and Leo should figure it out asap...