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catanha said:
Zidane would've been instructed in the last few days by lawyers and FIFA officials to not leave the game in such a state.
So now you're branding your idol a liar. :lol:

Catanha's crusade against Matrix continues.

Damn I'd have like to see your face had it was Ayala who get sent off and Matrix scored against Argentina. :D

Seriously, Luis, your conspiracy theory is bigger than that of extra-terrestrial creature being tamed on Area 51.


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Han: :D :D

This is just ridiculous. First he said he'll wait for Zidane to "tell the truth", now that he said it and he doesn't like it he labels Zizou a liar. :lol:
You should really go on holiday for a couple of weeks, maybe that would help. Although when you come back the gold medal's still gonna be hanging on Marco's neck. :D
 

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correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't matrix deny saying anything to zidane about his mum?? he said something like, i out of people should know not to tease people about such an issue.

so someone is not telling the truth.
btw do you guys reckon matrix was hurt by the incident. i was suprised he didnt retaliate. i mean if matrix said something thats said everyday on a pitch, then youd think he would have been incredibly angry at zidane, pushed him bak or something??
 

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Zamat said:
Han: :D :D

This is just ridiculous. First he said he'll wait for Zidane to "tell the truth", now that he said it and he doesn't like it he labels Zizou a liar. :lol:
You should really go on holiday for a couple of weeks, maybe that would help. Although when you come back the gold medal's still gonna be hanging on Marco's neck. :D
Well, we could use a quote from Ice Age II :)D) at catanha: "Congratulations. You are now idiot in two languages."

Up to this point I had my respect towards since he's a Interista like all of us, but what he's talking now, calling us nazi's. Sorry I won't respect him anymore.
 

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Or maybe not because he's not that stupid to put his team in a difficult situation. You remember how well he controlled his temper when he got sent off for nothing vs the Aussies.
 

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catanha said:
ohh as if it wasn't racist, ffs, think about it you blokes.

Zidane would've been instructed in the last few days by lawyers and FIFA officials to not leave the game in such a state.

so far, I've counted 11 nazis on this forum, who else wants to join the list??
Come on man, you're being overly ridiculous here.

Zidane and Materazzi have both come out of the woodwork to affirm the theory that no racist taunts were exchanged.

Your labelling the forum members as Nazis is a discriminatory action on your part. Catanha, you should know better than that.

catanha said:
it's quite obvious that Zidane does not want to leave the game in a major world controversy, he is better than that, although if it was me I wouldn't care and just tell the truth about Materazzi's racial comments.
The question is, what racial comments? You're forming your own opinions, conjecture that is in opposition with the factual statements presented by both Materazzi and Zidane!

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Check this out, guys.

zidane1.jpg


You can find more stuff at the following URL - http://www.ggzidane.com/gallery/zidane. :D

Ciao,
Tim
 

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Zidane denied racial comments, so did Materazzi. I read an french Interview and Zidane said the Materazzi had said things that would hurt him worse than the headbutt. Things about his mother and sister. Materazzi responded by saying he lost his mother at the age of 15 and would never EVER insult someone's family member. Materazzi also said that Zidane has always been his idol and that he admires him very much.

So what the **** is happening?
 

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So long as the racial card has been tossed out of the window, catanha has no grounds with which to perpetuate his attack on Materazzi.

Materazzi is no angel, but he certainly isn't a racist.

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I'm just wondering though, is Catanha taking the piss & being sarcastic and we all fell at his trap. :lol:


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Very good reading by Gabriele Marcotti - a man who knows Matrix:

Parting words
Zidane's legacy is his elegant game, not a vicious exit
Posted: Wednesday July 12, 20069:02PM; Updated: Thursday July 13, 20061:38AM
The French singer Jean-Louis Murat summed up Zinédine Zidane like this: "Nobody knows if Zidane is an angel or a demon ... He smiles like Saint Teresa and grimaces like a serial killer."
Murat is a huge Zizou fan and there is a fair dose of truth in those words. His genius has always had a dark side, as evidenced by the 14 red cards he collected in his career. The last month showed him at his best -- when, as one paper put it, he was the only "Brazilian" on the pitch when France played Brazil -- and at his worst, when he head-butted Marco Materazzi in the World Cup final.
His final public appearance, Wednesday night, could have offered some degree of redemption, but, instead, it was more darkness than light.
Zidane said Materazzi provoked him by insulting his mother and sister. And he said that while he apologized to the "children" who had witnessed the incident (but, bizarrely, nobody else who might not have enjoyed seeing a grown man assault another adult) he had no regrets and would do it all over again.
"I tell myself that if things happened this way, it's because somewhere up there it was decided that way," he added.
That last part was perhaps the most absurd. Blaming God -- or whatever deity you believe in -- for your actions borders on the demented. Whatever your religion, one thing they all share is that there is a degree of free will, that God gives you the power to make your own decisions. The "God wanted it that way" defense (and it's not-so-distant cousin the "God made me do it" defense) is particularly hard to swallow.
Beyond that, discovering that Materazzi had "only" insulted Zidane's mother and sister was a bit of a letdown. Anybody who has played any kind of competitive team sport at any level (with the possible exception of volleyball and polo) will have heard a fair amount of trash talking.
It's ugly, sure. It's childish, absolutely. But most people do not snap and head-butt opponents when their mother is insulted, particularly when that insult occurs in the private sphere of two men at close quarters on a soccer pitch.
The fact that Zidane did not elaborate on the nature of the insult only adds to the confusion. What horrible thing could Materazzi have said that would prompt such a reaction in a normal person?
The answer is ... nothing. Insults of that nature hurt the most when they come from someone who actually knows you (or your mother). Materazzi has never met Zidane's mother or his sister. He only knows Zidane as an opponent. And, if he did insult either one, most would have taken it and responded in kind.
Of course, the whole matter of whether Materazzi even insulted Mrs. Zidane is open to debate. The Inter defender denies it in the strongest terms: though he admits to insulting the French captain, albeit in a way which is common in sporting arenas everywhere. Who you believe on this point is a matter of personal choice. I've known Materazzi for eight years, I know that his mother died when he was 15, there is no doubt in my mind that, when it comes to mothers, he treads very carefully. But then, maybe I'm biased, because I know and like Materazzi.
But even if one chooses to believe Zidane, it's difficult to reach any other conclusion than this: his act was indefensible and he certainly did not help himself with his explanation, particularly when he suggested that he would do the exact same thing again if faced with the same situation.
A more plausible explanation for Zidane's actions is that he was simply exhausted and frustrated and he lost control, just as he did so many times before. It started in 1993, when he got into a fist fight with Marcel Desailly, it continued through a career which saw him stomp on a Saudi defender, punch Parma's Enrico Chiesa, head-butt a Hamburg player, lash out at Villarreal's Quique Alvarez and, finally, nail Materazzi.
Some people are like that. They're human. Zidane was blessed with an outrageous amount of talent, as well as the intelligence and work ethic to make the best of it. But he's not perfect. The price of all that was a short fuse, a red mist that occasionally engulfed him.
Zidane will no doubt be criticized for not apologizing. But there are few things worse than an empty apology. If he doesn't feel sorry, he shouldn't apologize. By not apologizing, at the very least, he is staying true to himself. If that's the way he is, so be it. You either love him or hate him.
It's genuinely sad that this happened in the final professional game of his career. But only the ignorant will remember him for this. Those who love the game will remember him for the thrills and delight he offered up so many times, for the sheer elegance of his game and for the way teammates looked up to him.
At least, that's what I'll remember.
POST-SCRIPT
Zidane's words - -and Materazzi's response -- will hopefully put an end to this squalid affair. But there is another category of people who really should not go unpunished.
Materazzi saw his name dragged through the mud by scumbags and muckrakers with nothing better to do.
A Paris-based group called "SOS-Racism" said Materazzi called Zidane -- who is of North African descent -- a "terrorist". So-called expert lip-readers confirmed this.
Mokhtar Haddad, Zidane's cousin, told the New York Times that Materazzi called him "either a terrorist or a son of Harkis" (a reference to the Algerian revolutionaries who helped defeat France in that country's war for independence).
Others freely called Materazzi a racist and a xenophobe.
Too bad for all these supposed experts and clairvoyants that Zidane himself confirmed that Materazzi's insult was not racist in nature and that he was never called a terrorist (much less a "son of Harkis" -- as if anyone with an IQ over 60 would ever believe that Materazzi has even heard of Harkis).
Those are the people who should be apologizing to Materazzi, the people who blackened someone's name, throwing out baseless accusations, the people who -- in their frenzy to figuratively burn someone at the stake -- accused an innocent man without a shred of credible evidence (and no, those lip-readers' fantasies do not constitute credible evidence). The people who ignored Zidane's teammate and possibly the French team's most intelligent and sensitive player, Lilian Thuram (a guy who knows a thing or two about racism) when he categorically said there "was no racial slur".
The worst thing about this is that when you make a baseless accusation of racism it's like the boy who cried wolf. When you next flag up racism, people will take your words with a bucketful of salt.
I hope Materazzi sues their behinds off and donates the proceeds to organizations that are serious about fighting racism in all walks of life.
 

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J zanetti said:
I hope Materazzi sues their behinds off and donates the proceeds to organizations that are serious about fighting racism in all walks of life.
Damn right he should. :star:


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An excellent article.

Strangely enough, its entire contents can be played out in the context of this forum.

Ciao,
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Great article. Only an ******* could find a way to criticise that piece.
 

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Materazzi's press conference:

Journalist: Reports say that Zidane's mum was not happy about what happened.

MATERAZZI: "I understand that if she read false reports about things that I never said, she would be upset. It's a normal reaction.

I can't say a lot about this because I'm under investigation from FIFA.

What I will say is that I didn't say anything about politics, religion and above all anything racist. I also didn't mention his mum.

I lost my mum when I was 15 and I still cry when I think about it. My wife tells me to keep her alive in my memory and that I should talk about her, but I can't. Actually I hope we can change the subject now.

My conscience is clean, and Zidane, who's a gentleman and a great champion, knows that I didn't say anything like that.

Following the red card, there were no problems on the pitch. Before the game I had already asked Henry to swap shirts, since I think he's a great champion. After the game, we did it. If there had been problems between the French players and me, he wouldn't have done that. He gave me his shirt after the defeat because he's a gentleman, just like Zidane.

I was first down in the dressing rooms, on my own, if French players wanted to have a go at me they could have done, but there was nothing, they accepted defeat with calm.

Journalist: When Totti spat at Poulsen, nobody bothered to go looking for provocation claims. This time, it seems like you're the villain.

MATERAZZI: That's true, nobody looked for provocation back then. What I can tell you is that a couple of years ago, I was suspended for 2 months after an incident with Bruno Cirillo.

We had a verbal argument, and I made the biggest mistake possible and hit him. Even if I could have been in the right, the moment I hit him I was completely in the wrong. I don't see why with Zidane, I have to be the guilty party.


He kicked ass... again :proud:
 

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Yeah this is what I read in the French newspaper...Marco wouldn't lie about this, look how comfortable he sounds denying all those bad things he was accused of...Zidane is just a very angry frustrated man.
 

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Does anyone listen to Gabriele Marcotti on talksport on sunday afternoons?
 

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J zanetti said:

POST-SCRIPT
Zidane's words - -and Materazzi's response -- will hopefully put an end to this squalid affair. But there is another category of people who really should not go unpunished.
Materazzi saw his name dragged through the mud by scumbags and muckrakers with nothing better to do.
A Paris-based group called "SOS-Racism" said Materazzi called Zidane -- who is of North African descent -- a "terrorist". So-called expert lip-readers confirmed this.
Mokhtar Haddad, Zidane's cousin, told the New York Times that Materazzi called him "either a terrorist or a son of Harkis" (a reference to the Algerian revolutionaries who helped defeat France in that country's war for independence).
Others freely called Materazzi a racist and a xenophobe.
Too bad for all these supposed experts and clairvoyants that Zidane himself confirmed that Materazzi's insult was not racist in nature and that he was never called a terrorist (much less a "son of Harkis" -- as if anyone with an IQ over 60 would ever believe that Materazzi has even heard of Harkis).
Those are the people who should be apologizing to Materazzi, the people who blackened someone's name, throwing out baseless accusations, the people who -- in their frenzy to figuratively burn someone at the stake -- accused an innocent man without a shred of credible evidence (and no, those lip-readers' fantasies do not constitute credible evidence). The people who ignored Zidane's teammate and possibly the French team's most intelligent and sensitive player, Lilian Thuram (a guy who knows a thing or two about racism) when he categorically said there "was no racial slur".
The worst thing about this is that when you make a baseless accusation of racism it's like the boy who cried wolf. When you next flag up racism, people will take your words with a bucketful of salt.
I hope Materazzi sues their behinds off and donates the proceeds to organizations that are serious about fighting racism in all walks of life.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Absolutely brilliant!

:finger: to race card players!
 

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Following the red card, there were no problems on the pitch. Before the game I had already asked Henry to swap shirts, since I think he's a great champion. After the game, we did it. If there had been problems between the French players and me, he wouldn't have done that. He gave me his shirt after the defeat because he's a gentleman, just like Zidane.

Great words from a world champion. :proud:

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Catanha, seriously bro you jumped the gun and embarassed yourself. You can come out of the corner now and apologize to everyone here you called racist and Nazi including Materazzi...it's ok kid it happens.
 
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