continued from the inter-juventus game thread:
it's brown, comes out of the asshole, it stinks, but i never said it was a piece of shit.
wait, was anything i said incorrect? icardi isn't practically useless with our midfield? we dont have a creative midfield so its up to our strikers to create chances for themselves and the other strikers, and only jovetic has the vision and flair to be able to do this well. very, very easy to make vague anecdotes instead of dealing with what i actually wrote. if you're going to play a poacher like icardi, you need to play him alongside a top quality secondary striker. trezeguet had ADP, pippo had sheva, zamorano had ronaldo, crespo had ibra etc... he isnt complete enough to be capable alongside palacio. he hasnt worked well with jovetic so far but hopefully they form an understanding.
on what level on ur poacher scale is he? Pazzini or Romario scale? because id rather have a fucking romario/raul/batistuta over a Morata all day every day.
ANOTHER straw man?
shameless. i never said id prefer morata over romario, raul, batigol, and i think its wrong to justify icardi with old comparisons because of the differences in football climate. aguero, suarez, benzema, ronaldo would have all been forced to play as poachers back then too. had romario and co. played today they would have adapted their games, they all had the skillsets to cope with the modern role of striker. raul, klose adapted their games over time, and batistuta and romario's overall game was a level above someone like mauro icardi despite technically being poachers. dont compare icardi with romario or batistuta. a poacher is a player that spends the vast majority of their time on the opponents defensive line or in the penalty box when the team has the ball. where they spend most of their time is irrelevant to what they do when they ball/how they score goals in those positions.
i said morata is a better player than mauro icardi because icardi is limited. justifying icardi with batistuta and romario is like justifying dambrosio with zanetti and maldini.
are u fucking kidding me? would the golden boot for defending be awarded to the biggest and heaviest defender? And goals dont count so much because its not 1993? Does the italian federation not award 3 points to the team who scored more goals because this is not 1993 and goals are not the only thing that counts? Find me a striker that scored 8 goals who is better than someone who scored 22 in the same league.
i honestly have no idea what that first sentence even means. the golden boot is awarded to the player in europe who scores the most goals, therefore, what, strikers should only be judged on goals scored? seriously, how does that fucking work? who gives a shit about the golden boot?
and why is it between a striker who scores 8 goals and a striker who scores 22? way to make it black and white. goals obviously matter but they are not the ONLY thing that matter for a player in that position. there are also a lot of other things strikers should be able to do that icardi does not do consistently enough.
morata scored 8 in the league last year, but it was his first season as a consistent starter in a new team in a new league and as a result he had a really rough first few months in italy. he will score more goals than icardi this season.
anyways, the logic you're using to prove that false premise also makes no sense. as ive already said, you're saying icardi is a better striker because he's a better finisher because he scored more goals last season. so, you're talking about who is the better finisher and that is irrelevant to how many goals they scored in a season. messi scored more goals in one season than inzaghi ever did, doesn't mean he is a better finisher. he also scored more goals that suarez in the time they played together at barca last season, doesnt mean he is a better finisher than suarez. are you seriously equating the number of goals scored with finishing ability? and then saying vague nonsense like "he plays in a better team" without any consideration to role? icardi was the focal point of our attack last season, morata wasn't the focal point of juventus's attack, did you ever take that into consideration? consider that palacio scored less goals in his first year at inter than he did at genoa. do you seriously believe luca toni would score more than 22 goals at juve "because he did at verona and he's at a better team"? why wasn't he able to do that with fiorentina then or juve in 2011/12?
tevez scored less goals than luca toni in italy at a better team no less. with your logic, that makes luca toni a more useful striker than carlos tevez or higuain last season, right? i mean, how does that work? thereau, paloschi, and pinilla scored more goals than palacio last season, does that mean they were better players to have than palacio? gabbiadini is a better player to have in your team than eder, morata? seriously dude, what you're saying makes no sense.
and there were many times we needed icardi last season and he didnt show up. palacio showed more character last year than i've ever seen of mauro in his entire tme at inter....... #capitano
thats not how it works, a successful season is not about 38 cup finals and scoring as many goals in "each game". its all about consistency and how many goals you score across an entire season. you might be able to win important ties with a strong headed poacher who finishes all the chances he can get, but that mentality wont be consistent enough over an entire season. with a more complete forward, the striker may score less but the team as a whole creates more chances because other players can be played into goalscoring positions, and therefore the team scores more goals. that becomes even more important here where the forwards have most of the responsibility to create and score.
what the fuck man, i got debunked so hard with cold hard facts what the fuck im amazed
im not using statistics because im lazy but i know what im saying is true. the fact you have concrete evidence for your argument doesnt make your argument true or false. you're saying icardi is better than everyone else in italy because he scores more goals. i can also say medel is the best midfielder in europe because he has a high pass percentage, the fact i used statistics doesnt mean i used statistics well or that my point makes any sense.
if you like to be concrete, you're ignoring the other relevant numbers out there like "chances created" "distance covered/per match" "passes per match" "key passes per match" "successful tackles" "dribbles" and average area covered during game in a heatmap etc.
and poachers are not outdated as much as u might think, Lewandowski is one, Dzeko is one, Cavani is one, Costa is one and many more who play for top teams.
lewandowski is not a poacher
ive watched bayern games where he doesnt even go into the box. cavani's been playing like a poacher this season, but i wont call him a poacher because hes a lot worse than he ever was before and he wasnt like this last year or any year before that. cavani wasnt a poacher at napoli for example. how can you say diego costa is a poacher? dude played as the right winger in simeone's 442 before he was moved to the center after falcao left for monaco. watch chelsea, he creates a lot of chances for his teammates with his hold up play and his work rate is insane...
anyways, my side of the argument steered off course in this reply. it's now become about whether or not you should judge a striker based off goals. this has nothing to do with whether or not morata is better than icardi. morata is a worse finisher than icardi, but he is still a fantastic goalscrer and he is a lot better in every single other regard.
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