Mercato Team (Ausilio, Marotta, & Co.) and Strategies

[diamen]

I don't remember Juve selling big. There was Pogba who was sold for 100 mln and then they reinvested all the money in Higuain and Pjanić.

 

[brehme1989]

Unfortunately this seems to be the case. Marotta's modus operandi at Juve was to sell high and buy lower, that was important part of Juve being financially (somewhat) healthy. This was before Ronaldo, Marotta left after they did that deal.

Players are just assets, commodity to the management (Marotta).

Marotta was merely using financial muscle to weaken direct rivals. He's trying to do this here as well but it's not going that well (Hakan, maybe Dybala, got rejected by Insigne and couldn't get Fabian Ruiz, cannot afford SMS, Pellegrini won't leave...).

 

[Il Drago]

I don't remember Juve selling big. There was Pogba who was sold for 100 mln and then they reinvested all the money in Higuain and Pjanić.

Exactly. This isn't how Marotta was working at Juventus. He sold Vidal and he spent his money on Dybala. He sold Pogba and he signed Pjanic and Higuain. Last summer we got 185m from Hakimi and Lukaku and we reinvested only a smart part of them. It's very convenient to blame everything on Marotta but the real problem is the ownership.

 

[RotterdamNerazzurri]

I thought some of you were asking for this kind of management. Selling high, buying low, rinse, repeat...

Or are you know understanding what it meant when some of us said that Inter does not lose players it wants to keep.
This only applies to Hakimi from last season, and to a smaller extent Lukaku. Marotta is the type of manager all the people who wanted this is, it's one of the main reasons I objected to his appointment. Skriniar being whored out three summers in a row is pathetic enough. Barella and Bastoni having price tags. Almost losing Brozovic on a free...

Well, unless some things change, this is the new Inter.

Other than selling Pogba for 105 million (which was an offer no one should rejected), Vidal who liked to leave and a declining Bonucci for 42 million to Milan, i can't really think of a big sale Juve did in that time?

They always kept their fan favorites and key players like: Chiellini, Buffon, Dybala, Pirlo, Barzagli, Marchisio and Tevez.

 

[CafeCordoba]

The point was Juve's business model is/was based on player sales. They sold Vidal, Pogba, Bonucci, Coman as bigger sales + all the other smaller sales (same kind of stuff we do). What they were buying is different thing and is not connected to selling. Because sale gives you full amount to that fiscal year while buying a player affects only annual amortization value per year.

 

[Il Drago]

Cafe it's a lot different when you're allowed to reinvest money from sales compared to when you aren't. If management were allowed to reinvest Lukaku money we would have walked in last season championship but they weren't and that's why we lost it. The problem isn't you sell players but that Suning ask for an X number of profit every summer.

 

[brehme1989]

Other than selling Pogba for 105 million (which was an offer no one should rejected), Vidal who liked to leave and a declining Bonucci for 42 million to Milan, i can't really think of a big sale Juve did in that time?

They always kept their fan favorites and key players like: Chiellini, Buffon, Dybala, Pirlo, Barzagli, Marchisio and Tevez.

Bonucci, Vidal and Pogba were also fan favorites.
Pirlo was 35, Buffon was 38, Marchisio was dumped, Dybala refused to leave twice (before Marotta left) and Barzagli was also old. Tevez also rejected to leave for China and only moved to Boca later on.

Chiellini was their only untouchable but no one probably made a bid or had any interest. It's like asking to buy Zanetti after 2006. No one would even entertain such an idea.

 

[RotterdamNerazzurri]

The point was Juve's business model is/was based on player sales. They sold Vidal, Pogba, Bonucci, Coman as bigger sales + all the other smaller sales (same kind of stuff we do). What they were buying is different thing and is not connected to selling. Because sale gives you full amount to that fiscal year while buying a player affects only annual amortization value per year.

But Coman was a rotational option for them, Pogba was an offer they should not have refused and Bonucci was declining. Only Vidal was a player, on handsight, they maybe should not have sold. On top of that, he invested that money wisely. Totally different situation than here imo.

 

[bubba zanetti]

The worst thing these scumbags dont wont to sell club, they've had offers, have even now and they refuse. They just use this club to suck money from it cause their debts and loses. Unbelivable.

 

[brehme1989]

But Coman was a rotational option for them, Pogba was an offer they should not have refused and Bonucci was declining. Only Vidal was a player, on handsight, they maybe should not have sold. On top of that, he invested that money wisely. Totally different situation than here imo.

Come on man, he was playing Monopoly.

There's no way you can get it wrong when you buy your direct rivals main players.

It's like Bayern standard policy. They raid their main rivals from the previous season and next season goes by smoothly. It works when you have money. When you don't, you have to improvise. And the improvising Marotta will sell Barella or Lautaro because he feels that Frattesi or Dybala are adequate replacements. It's not even seeking to improve, it's closer to disaster management. Trying to fill the gaps after you drain a lot of energy, with the leftover resources.


It's a hard spot to be in and Marotta being very conservative feels that everyone can be replaced.

And yes, no one claims that this is some plot to wreck the team, it's all purely on the ownership. Management is just the faces we see.

 

[CafeCordoba]

You guys are missing the point. Marotta was there to handle the business. Which was player trading. He needed to make money with player sales to balance the books.

Balancing the books with player sales is easy or "easy". You buy player for 50m€, sign him to 5 year contract. You keep him for 3 years, so book value is 20m€. You sell him for 60m€ and you just made 40m€ in the books. That 40m€ goes to the books in that sale year fully. But when you buy player, that goes to the books so that you "pay" only the annual amortization value.

This is what Marotta did at Juve and this is what he does at Inter too. At Inter the level of investment he can do is lower since the losses are bigger and the owner do not give funds like Exor does with Juve but the principle is the same. This is his task, a task handed to him by the owners.

 

[RotterdamNerazzurri]

Bonucci, Vidal and Pogba were also fan favorites.
Pirlo was 35, Buffon was 38, Marchisio was dumped, Dybala refused to leave twice (before Marotta left) and Barzagli was also old. Tevez also rejected to leave for China and only moved to Boca later on.

Chiellini was their only untouchable but no one probably made a bid or had any interest. It's like asking to buy Zanetti after 2006. No one would even entertain such an idea.

I'm not saying i stand behind everything don Bepe does. But IMO he did a really good job making Juve sustainable and sell players on the right moment. Something we couldn't do for ages. And we should do that. We just need to have a core of players who are untouchable, for us as as fans and the give the club a 'recognizable face'. Bastoni, Barella, Brozo, Skriniar and Lautaro are those players. Sure if someone gives us 100 mil for Lautaro for example, sell him. It's an offer a sane club shouldn't refuse. The problem is; we can't invest this money to make the squad overal stronger. That's our ownerships fault. Not Marotta's.

 

[brehme1989]

I'm not saying i stand behind everything don Bepe does. But IMO he did a really good job making Juve sustainable and sell players on the right moment. Something we couldn't do for ages. And we should do that. We just need to have a core of players who are untouchable, for us as as fans and the give the club a 'recognizable face'. Bastoni, Barella, Brozo, Skriniar and Lautaro are those players. Sure if someone gives us 100 mil for Lautaro for example, sell him. It's an offer a sane club shouldn't refuse. The problem is; we can't invest this money to make the squad overal stronger. That's our ownerships fault. Not Marotta's.

Juventus was not sustainable. They just had cash injections. You're indirectly crediting him for having ownership backing. Let's not forget FIGC backing to get good results, too!
And they were playing against broke teams. We aren't. We're actually the broke ones.

 

[RotterdamNerazzurri]

Juventus was not sustainable. They just had cash injections. You're indirectly crediting him for having ownership backing. Let's not forget FIGC backing to get good results, too!
And they were playing against broke teams. We aren't. We're actually the broke ones.

I just think Bepe isn't the one to blame here. He proved at Juventus he could built a squad very, very well. The problem is, as you state already, we are the broke ones atm and the financial arrangements our ownership have to deal with. And since past summer he made some mistakes (buying Correa, getting Dzeko, getting Gosens while we already have Perisic). Also we can state this with the knowledge we have now.

 

[bmotion]

I just think Bepe isn't the one to blame here. He proved at Juventus he could built a squad very, very well. The problem is, as you state already, we are the broke ones atm and the financial arrangements our ownership have to deal with. And since past summer he made some mistakes (buying Correa, getting Dzeko, getting Gosens while we already have Perisic). Also we can state this with the knowledge we have now.

Gosens add value to this team, u never know when perisic will go down with an injury and start to have declining form from that moment with his age. Betting on only him there is like keep asking for a card in blackjack when u have 16 or more in your hand.

 

[RotterdamNerazzurri]

Gosens add value to this team, u never know when perisic will go down with an injury and start to have declining form from that moment with his age. Betting on only him there is like keep asking for a card in blackjack when u have 16 or more in your hand.

Agree. I just think, with our limited funds, it isn't wise to have a very expensive left wingback as a rotational option.

 

[bmotion]

Agree. I just think, with our limited funds, it isn't wise to have a very expensive left wingback as a rotational option.

U might be right here but if we are keep playing like this season u better have someone with a huge potential playing on the wing otherwise our attacking flow just non existent

 

[bubba zanetti]

Sell Dumfries and DeVrij and try Perisic on right flank, there is whole summer to practice that. Just dont fkn sell our core players .

 

[RotterdamNerazzurri]

Sell Dumfries and DeVrij and try Perisic on right flank, there is whole summer to practice that. Just dont fkn sell our core players .

Don't think Perisic on the right will work. But i am all in for selling Denzel for a good amount to some English club. Molina or Singo will do very well as replacements.

 

[Sevag]

What I don't get is, we were told one big sell would be enough last summer, but we lost Hakimi AND Lukaku. Now I understand Lukaku wanted to leave but why isn't the +180 million enough to cover both summers?

Anyway, if the rumors are true and we do lose any of our core players (Bastoni/Skriniar/Barella/Lautaro/Brozovic), then I'm taking a break from football until Suning sell. Not gonna watch the love of my life get dismantled like this and go through another banter era