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I'm off to sleep now and I'm 100% sure I will have a dream about this game, like I usually do in big inter games. I just want to console myself by knowing that this the first leg, and there is much to play for next Tuesday.
 

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A great read from Roberto Gotta who writes about Calcio on Soccernet.



Divided by loyalties

Tuesday, April 5, 2005

Roberto Gotta

Go to Sevilla, and they will tell you their local derby is THE derby, and all others pale in comparison - which shouldn't be surprising if you consider (cliche alert!) the sunny climate of the Andalucian city.

Set foot in Genoa, and they will tell you Genoa v Sampdoria takes the biscuit: it's neighbours against neighbours, families split in half, workplaces divided and so on.

But wait, is there anything better - or worse - than Liverpool v Everton? That one, of course, would evoke another set of cliches, as those characteristics could apply to all derbies anywhere in the world, but it's still nice that everyone thinks they're valid for their own local clashes, and for them only.

It would therefore be unfair or delusional to say that the upcoming Milan v Inter Champions' League quarter-final tie should stand out as the biggest intra-city struggle this world has ever seen, or that the inner workings of their rivalry warrant more attention or hold more peculiarities than others.

But that won't detract from the spirit of the occasion and there's sure to be some tense moments at the San Siro - officially named now after Inter and Italy great Peppino Meazza, a star in the Thirties - anyway, judging from the history of matches between those two greats of world soccer.

Among them, a couple perhaps come to mind in recent times: their meeting at the Euro semi-finals stage two years ago, when Milan went through on the away-goals rule without winning either of the two ties, a fact that is still being brought up by many in discussions about those events, not to mention the fact that technically speaking the distinction between 'home' and 'away' when you play at the same stadium as your rivals lies perhaps only in the ticket allocation.

And by the way in 2003 Milan, the critics add with a speck of grumpy Inter-ness, did not properly win the final against Juventus, either, unless you count penalties (or 'the lottery of penalties' as it's often referred to, as if taking one was a matter of lick).

For those interested in a bit of social history, Inter and Milan sprouted upwards from different environments in the city of Milano, and those with a knowledge of world football - or Biblical evidence - will recognize a frequent pattern in Inter's birth from a rib of their future rivals. Milan came first, in December 1899, and as the name itself gives away, were founded by British expatriates, just as Genoa had some time before.

Evidence from those times is mostly anecdotal, but a famous picture shows one of the founders and first players, Herbert Kilpin, chasing a ball during a game, wearing a red-and-black striped - tiny stripes, which were worn by Milan for their centenary year along with the red cross in white shield that represents the city - although curiously enough Mr. Kilpin seems to be closing in on the photographer, who must have taken that picture while standing with his tripod inside the pitch, another suggestion that those were, truly, different times.

Milan Cricket and Football Club, as it had been named by main founder, Alfred Edwards, only needed two years and a scarcity of opposition to win their first scudetto, by beating Genoa 1-0 (some report the score as 3-0) at the end of an extremely short season: only five teams were part of the League, and Genoa only had to play one game, the final, against the survivor of two quarterfinal and semifinal-like matches.

Giuseppe Meazza (l) gave the San Siro its proper name and played for both clubs. (HultonArchive/GettyImages)

Milan won again in 1906 and 1907, their second title coming a few months after they changed their name to Milan Football Club, dropping the by then useless Cricket part, but the 1907 scudetto - not in that form, as the green, white and red shield denoting a title win had not been introduced yet - would be their last in 48 years, a span of time which would not be imaginable now and serves as a reminder of how times have changed and the early 20th century's variety in the names of the winners has now gone the way of the rattle and flat cap.

That Milan endured such a title drought was only owed in part to the appearance of their local rivals, who were founded in 1908 by some Milan directors who were not happy with the way things were done on the Rossoneri side, not the first time in football that a rivalry is born from within the ranks of one existing club. Consistent to some of its later history, Inter were formally created in a Milano restaurant named Orologio, known as a watering hole for intellectuals and artists, and a painter named Giorgio Muggiani was among their founders and would become its first secretary.

It was Muggiani who drew up what is still Inter's crest nearly one hundred years later, the admittedly difficult to distinguish letters FCIM (Football Club Internazionale Milano) in gold, woven together inside a blue and black circle. The new club won their first title in 1910 in a hotly contested playoff against provincial side Pro Vercelli, one of the great names in Italian soccer history who's disappeared from the limelights, and the fact that Pro Vercelli fielded a team comprised mostly of teenage players in protest for a perceived injustice simply shows that even in those times of no action replays - mainly because no one was filming the games - and referee scrutiny there was room for controversy.

Inter's rivalry with Milan was ingrained in the very same circumstances of its birth.

And despite the fact the Inter's founders came from the Milan ranks and had apparently questioned the rossoneri management, which they felt was too strict on a variey of matters, Inter immediately felt a distinction to their crosstown rivals, a social characterization which (in part) held true for most of last century, although - go back to what I wrote at the beginning of this story - the blurring of social lines now mean you're as likely to become a Milan fan as you're an Inter fan regardless of your social origins or status.

But at that time a couple of local words were employed to identify the two sets of supporters: Milan's were the casciavitt (screwdriver) because most of their following used to come from the humble, proletarian sectors of town and the cacciavite was seen as their most common everyday tool.

Inter supporters were the bascia, those who talked and boasted a lot, whether it was their about their wealth, social status or both. In the Fifties, Milan won four scudetto, Inter answered the challenge with two and this sowed the seeds for the unforgettable Sixties.

Then, as perhaps now, the lines of power in European football passed through the core of Milano. Milan went one up on their rivals by winning Italy's first European Cup in the 1963 final at Wembley, Inter followed the next year and in 1965, all the while winning three Scudettos in a decade which was marked by their flamboyant manager Helenio Herrera and owner Angelo Moratti, the father of current supremo Massimo.

A few years later, the late, famed journalist Gianni Brera noted in one of his books - he also wrote one about the Milano derby, with a collection of the match reports he'd written over the decades - that 'Moratti was not afraid of spending more than anybody else, for the sake of winning' which by the way is what could be said of his son today, except that the nerazzurri have little to show for a decade of overspending.

Herrera's counterpart at Milano was Nereo Rocco, a pragmatist who steered the Rossoneri to two titles in the Sixties and another European Cup in 1969. Those were probably the best times to be a soccer fan in Milan and take in an atmosphere that had yet to become poisoned by excesses of the ultra movement, but it has to be said that there haven't been major clashes between the opposite sets of fans for a while, a kind of silent pact - not so silent, as it turns out - that manages to bring out the best part of the rivalry, the huge banners and the heavy sarcasm.

Inter especially like to remind Milan that they have never gone down to Serie B, while the rossoneri were relegated by the Federation once after a gambling scandal and went down another time by way of a disastrous season - without dangerous effects.

The social characterizations have now almost completely evaporated, although there are some who say Milan sum up the diversity of Milano better, as their fan base is more spread across the whole of the social spectrum, but we should always steer clear of generalizations and admit that the time when you could tell whether one was a Milan or Inter fan just by knowing his origins has now gone, it there ever was one.

One last vestige of that mentality was perhaps Giuseppe 'Peppino' Prisco, a longtime Inter vice-president and a prominent lawyer in Milano. He became a figure known throughout Italy for his raspy voice and dry humour but Milan fans, contrary to a popularly held view, did not ALWAYS share his penchant for ridiculing everything that to him smelt like rossonero.

Prisco died a few years ago and no one picked up his legacy, which would have been needed by Inter in those times of glorious failures while Milan were building up steam.

Milan, who lead the all time series 100 wins to 87 since their first meeting in 1908, have not lost to Inter in nine games, and the manner of their latest derby triumph, a 1-0 reversal on February 27 which saw Kaka deflect in a shot which he barely saw coming, rubbed the nerazzurri the wrong way, obviously.

Which should also make for an interesting couple of ties at the San Siro, to say the least.

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aquaism said:
ESPN live at 2.30 am jakarta time
I am pretty sure that it'll be shown at 01:30 in Jakarta, not 02:30. You don't wanna be late for the game!


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A battle cry for tonight:

HUNT THEM DOWN! DO NOT STOP UNTIL THEY ARE FOUND! YOU DO NOT KNOW PAIN, YOU DO NOT KNOW FEAR! YOU WILL TASTE MILANISTA FLESH!!!

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And something about your "beloved" cousins: ;)

Do you know how the milanisti first came into being? They were Interisti once, taken by the dark powers, tortured and mutilated. A ruined and terrible form of life.
 

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Handoyo said:
aquaism said:
ESPN live at 2.30 am jakarta time
I am pretty sure that it'll be shown at 01:30 in Jakarta, not 02:30. You don't wanna be late for the game!


Hand;)yo

I did get confused with this timing as well … Why the hell did the game start 45 minutes earlier yesterday ? And I know that it will be the same case tonite as well ?? The matches used to start at 3:45am (Beijing time), but this time, the matches are to be played at 3:00am. Are the Champions League quarter-final matches been played 45 minutes earlier ?? :D :confused:

FORZA INTER ... I am too nervous ... I even skipped my class this afternoon to sleep now, so that I could watch tonite's game :proud:
 

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Ari Thank you very much. I'm so proud to have a friend like you.
I had to seperate my messages according to their topic as I know that at present no one have enough patient to read a lon message. You know why, don't you. I hope you won't think that I did it to collect posts. :D :D :D :D :D
I love you man.
You're welcome. ;) And no I don't think that you collect posts. I don't know why I said so. Sorry mate. Besides look at my posts. You write much more true analysis. ;)


Well Milos has found the spirit what Inter seems missing. :dielaugh:

Got go to work..
 

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ok guys im not to nervous about this match. why? well because i dont think the 1st game will ever mean much, it only gives us an indication on how attackingly or defensively a team plays in the 2nd leg.

so a 1 goal, or goalLESS draw is on the table.
 

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Hard to believe it's almost here. I'm going through varying degree of emotions at the moment and will continue to do so until I get to watch the game..... late tomorrow night unfortunately. :frustrat:

Will have my Bobo jersey on and my brand new Inter scarf I just bought! Maybe it'll bring good luck! ;)

FORZA INTER
 

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helal25 said:
ok guys im not to nervous about this match. why? well because i dont think the 1st game will ever mean much, it only gives us an indication on how attackingly or defensively a team plays in the 2nd leg.

so a 1 goal, or goalLESS draw is on the table.
Well mate, yesterday you was worried no not? ;) :D Don't worry, you'll find the spirit before the match. Think the meaning of our possible away goal. You'll find the spirit. It's first half today.

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Watch it delayed from Nelonen. At least i´ll do that. b]
Well, me too.
 

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It would be fab if only we can snatch one away goal! A 0-0 result and our men (cause I really hope we put together 11 men and not bunch of sissies which we have witnessed going into big games in recent years) will feel the deja-vu again. As we all know our strength have never been the mental side of things rather the odd outburst of samba football now and again without even getting the crucial result.
So Mr Mancini: pick 11 men who are hungry for success and who honoured to wear our jersey and they will hopefully do the business.

p.s I’m damn nervous!
 

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I don't think the first leg would have the same out come as for two seasons ago... Our defence is simply to weak. Especialy if Cordoba can't play then it would be more then a miracle if we conceed less then two goals. If that is the case then we can hope that our attack can score just as many as Milan. Or we will be fucked. Sorry to be so pessimistic, but I don't trust Mihaj and Matrix at all.
 

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It´s ridiculous how nervous can one be...

le probabili formazioni di Bbilan-Inter (from datasport - nothing new in there)

Bbilan (4-3-1-2) ->
Code:
1 Dida

2 Cafu - 31 Stam - 13 Nesta - 3 Maldini

8 Gattuso - 21 Pirlo - 20 Seedorf

22 Kakà

7 Shevchenko - 11 Crespo

Subs -> (46 Abbiati, 4 Kaladze, 5 Costacurta, 23 Ambrosini, 27 Serginho, 10 Rui Costa, 15 Tomasson).

Inter (4-4-2) ->
Code:
1 Toldo

4 J. Zanetti - 2 Cordoba - 11 Mihajlovic - 16 Favalli

14 Veron - 6 C. Zanetti - 19 Cambiasso - 25 Stankovic

30 Martins - 9 Cruz

Subs -> (15 Carini, 23 Materazzi, 13 Zè Maria, 7 Van der Meyde, 18 Kily Gonzalez, 21 Karagounis, 32 Vieri)

Same lineups are predicted in here ->

220_00.jpg


RAGAZZI RAGAZZI RAGAZZI!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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if Liverpool can defeat Juventus, we can trash Milan! :stuckup:
 

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Fan v Fan: AC Milan-Internazionale
4/6/2005 12:02:00 PM

The Milano derby is always one of the great Serie A occasions – so for AC Milan and Inter to meet each other in the latter stages of the Champions League is fantastic for the city and a classic confrontation for football fans everywhere, where partisan or neutral. A semi-final at stake at the San Siro over two potentially electrifying legs is what top European club football is all about, and Goal.com talked to a fan from each side to get a feel for the build-up to Wednesday’s first leg showdown. Antonio Michaelides gives the Milan perspective, while Paolo Falconi speaks up for Inter.

GOAL: First of all, how do you feel about your side’s campaign so far? Have you been delighted or dismayed by it?

Antonio (Milan): I am content with the way in which we have made it through to the last eight of this year’s competition. The team has shown tremendous character in overcoming tough opponents, tactically outclassing Manchester United in the last round. I am hoping they will move up a gear as it is this stage of the season where competitions are won and lost.

Paolo (Inter): It’s been a bit of a strange season – part frustrating, part encouraging. To lose so few would normally be a sign of success, but to draw so many has really been a case of missed opportunities, and it was depressing to be effectively out of the scudetto race by Christmas. However, in the Champions League Inter have been steadily improving and I am confident about this competition, even if it is Milan we play next.


GOAL: Tactically, where do you think this match may be won or lost?

Antonio (Milan): I think this match will be won or lost in the midfield. Whichever team can hold on to the ball and make the most of possession will come out on top. Though I also believe mental strength will play just as big a part. Concentration and control of emotions are perhaps the most important attributes to have in a derby match.

Paolo (Inter): Both teams have strong midfields with plenty of creativity. But our attack has been scoring goals and they have a mean defence, so maybe that will be the key contest.


GOAL: Which opposition player do you consider to be the greatest threat to your team in this clash?

Antonio (Milan): Obafemi Martins. This guy always causes Milan problems and even Paolo Maldini has said on past occasions that he is hard to keep an eye on…

Paolo (Inter): For an Inter fan it is heartbreaking to have to single out two former Inter players, Hernan Crespo and Andrea Pirlo, as their biggest threats. We should never have let either of them go and now Crespo is scoring important goals while Pirlo is one of the best midfielders around. I would have to say Pirlo is the real danger as he is their defensive shield and attacking springboard. Oh, and le’ts not forget Seedorf either!


GOAL: Would you want him in your team?

Antonio (Milan): I don’t think so. I am happy with our strikers. Dejan Stankovic would be nice though…

Paolo (Inter): Of course we would welcome Pirlo. He should never have been allowed to leave us.


GOAL: Who from your team should we keep a particular eye on here?

Antonio (Milan): Inter will need to keep an eye on our midfield, Andrea Pirlo and Kaka’ especially. If they are allowed to settle early and start dictating Inter will be in trouble.

Paolo (Inter): Obafemi Martins has the pace to trouble Milan’s veteran defenders.


GOAL: What are your side’s greatest strengths?

Antonio (Milan): I think mentally we are the best team in the world. We have tremendous character and the players are always very calm in big matches. I think this has a lot to do with Ancelotti. He is one of the many strengths of this great side. In addition to this we are strong and have quality in all positions.

Paolo (Inter): A potent strike force (any combination), and now a star midfield. Inter has the creativity and firepower to trouble most teams on our day.


GOAL: And weaknesses?

Antonio (Milan): This is a tough one. I guess on occasions we can be guilty of not taking enough of the chances we create.

Paolo (Inter): Unfortunately defence is where it tends to go wrong for us. We have some good defenders and some not so good. Result? Inconsistency and a tendency to concede the sort of goals that Milan (and Juve) don’t. This is the area all Inter fans want to see strengthened n the summer, because the other two units of the team are as good as anyone’s. So with a stronger defence, watch Inter go!


GOAL: What do your lot typically think of their lot?

Antonio (Milan): Wow! I don’t think I can say… Put it this way, we refer to them as ‘i perdenti’ which translates to ‘the losers’. I don’t think it would be wise to say anymore, I would hate to offend…

Paolo (Inter): Let’s be honest, they have a good team and a good coach, but as a club they have too much influence through the Berlusconi connection (even though he has had to step into the background). All that media and political power has created an influence, an aura and a legacy that is unhelpful, shall we just say, to other clubs like ours. I also don’t like their self-confidence, even if it is well-founded. It makes them arrogant. Lately they’ve also been touched by fortune! It seems that fate is on their side in every match, and this is really irritating.


GOAL: What single thing irritates you most about them?

Antonio (Milan): The fans. I don’t understand why they are so arrogant. For such an underachieving team it astonishes me at times.

Paolo (Inter): Like Juventus there is an arrogance about their fans that infuriates me. The expectation that success is theirs by right is conceited and it would give me great satisfaction to see the smug smiles wiped off their faces.


GOAL: And what do you grudgingly admire?

Antonio (Milan): Massimo Moratti. He is often the one criticised by fans but he has done so much for the club in my opinion.

Paolo (Inter): You have to admit their record of winning trophies is pretty impressive.


GOAL: Who is your all-time number one hate figure (or object of amusement) from their lot?

Antonio (Milan): This is a tough one. I don’t really know to be honest. There Is more than one of course and to single out one is hard to say the least. I’ll go for Guiseppe Bergomi.

Paolo (Inter): It’s the entire package you get from them, which goes from Berlusconi, through Galliani’s son, to the team manager Ramaccioni. I really can’t stand them all together.


GOAL: What’s the best of business ever done between the two clubs?

Antonio (Milan): This might make the Inter fans cry but at the end of the day it was fantastic business on our part. We got Andrea Pirlo and Clarence Seedorf from them!!! And we hardly paid anything for them. Andrea Pirlo has become a phenomenon since joining us. Inter were slow to see his talent and thought he would wait around for ever to be given chance

Paolo (Inter): Unfortunately, most of the good business has been in their favour (Pirlo, Seedorf). Maybe the best player they handed over to us was Coco, and that says it all. The guys does much better in clubs than on the pitch.

GOAL: What’s your fondest memory of past clashes against them?

Antonio (Milan): The passion. When you watch a derby in the San Siro you feel like you are on another planet. Also it has to be mentioned that most of the time we come out on top. I hope this doesn’t change this week!!!

Paolo (Inter): They 3-0 derby when Ronaldo scored that fantastic lob. But since then, there haven’t been too many good occasions for Inter against Milan. Obviously the Champions League semi-final two years ago stands out as memorable, but not particularly fondly. I’m hoping that if anyone asks me this question in just over a week’s time I can say without a doubt the CL quarter-finals of 2005 when Inter at last got the breaks and showed Milan and Europe just what we are capable of.


GOAL: What do you think the score of this match will be, and how will it affect your week?

Antonio (Milan): I don’t like to predict scores in games like this. But one thing I will say and want to emphasise a lot is that I will commit suicide if we are knocked out by Inter in this year’s competition. We have to beat them over the two legs.

Paolo (Inter): This has to be the occasion for Inter to triumph, and I go for 2-1 over the two-legs. If we do I will be ecstatic and believe we are destined to win the Champions League at last this year. If we are beaten I will feel terrible but at least Inter fans are used to disappointments.

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Well well …. Is he really committing suicide ?? :cry2: :(
Now, it has become much more important to reach the semifinals, coz I really want to know what this man does if we get past Milan ?? :p :D

What did he mean by saying that Inter fans are arrogant?? ahem !!
I don’t mind us giving Seedorf, but seeing Crespo and Pirlo in Milan's jersey ofcourse doesn’t feel good.:rolleyes:

Another arrogant Milan fan :proud: :stuckup:
 
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Now I have gotten the hype as well. Went to school with the jersey and a scarf. Came back home and decorated the living-room with a flag and another scarf. I´ll watch the game in my living-room since Swedish media have decided to show this game on a channel where you need a dekoder. :rolleyes: And the dekoder is best viewable in the living-room although I´ll be without sound. I´m telling you, it´s unbearable to follow football in Sweden. They hate Serie A teams, and if it´s not Juventus they won´t show it.

So I´ve made a big deal of yet another game, and thus far we haven´t win a single game where I have done some decorations. :D
 

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Jimmy said:
So I´ve made a big deal of yet another game, and thus far we haven´t win a single game where I have done some decorations. :D
Take every damn thing down then :fero: :D

Im also leaving work early (can't focus on work) so I can book the best possible seat in a Italian Bar. Meaning I'll be there almost 2 hours prior to the game! :D
 

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I can't focus on anything either. I think I'm going to gym, if that can make all this waiting more bearable.
 

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I am currently making my living room into my personal Curva Nord, and I am downloading the last few coro's possible....

INSIEME A NOI,
INSIEME A NOI,
FORZA INTER, VINCI E LOTTA,
INSIEME A NOI!!!!!


Fabio :proud:
 

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I hope our squad win the game .because it's long time for inter to win the most important champion.Milano is strong ,but we are not afraid ,it's men's game.it's the fighting of spirit.in the resent matches againsted milano ,we didn't win one.that was very sad .so I'd love to watch inter winning .
 
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